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davie
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Consistent cheating

Post by davie »

Haven't seen the fights, but people are saying Pascal never deserved his win but all 3 judges scored the same 96-94 cards, and people are saying Shumenov shouldn't have won against BJ Flores yet he scored 116-112 on all 3 cards

not saying anyone is wrong, but if there is any foul play, that's some suspiciously consistent dodgy scoring at 2 seperate venues on the same night
Blodhemn
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Re: Consistent cheating

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Gonzalez was robbed, Flores was not, and his fight was so abysmal that it's an injustice to put it alongside the former.
man
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that is some smart cheaters: "let's score it all the same."
Boxing Prospect
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Flores threw his bout away.
hurricanemitch14
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Re: Consistent cheating

Post by hurricanemitch14 »

Id say Pascal got wobbled average 12 times a rd. and yet he won. Cubans bring zero money and get screwed all the time
Chepppaaa
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Re: Consistent cheating

Post by Chepppaaa »

lara - canelo & williams

gonzales - pascal

all robberys. cuba #1
caldo2025
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Re: Consistent cheating

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I disagree completely. I had Pascal winning that fight or a draw. Pascal landed the most effective punches and his defense was WAY better. Gonzalez threw almost 300 more punches than Pascal and only landed 9 more punches according to the Punch Stats. Gonzalez had a 26% landing rate. You rarely see a boxer win a fight with a percentage that low. Pascal landed at 39% and those numbers really were accurate. Pascal also had Gonzalez almost out on his feet in the last two rounds. Pascal has a style that looks as though he's hurt but he's not. We're talking about one of the best chins in boxing here.

I actually agreed with both decisions. I think BJ really blew that fight in the later rounds. He didn't deserve the win.
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caldo2025 wrote:I disagree completely. I had Pascal winning that fight or a draw. Pascal landed the most effective punches and his defense was WAY better. Gonzalez threw almost 300 more punches than Pascal and only landed 9 more punches according to the Punch Stats. Gonzalez had a 26% landing rate. You rarely see a boxer win a fight with a percentage that low. Pascal landed at 39% and those numbers really were accurate. Pascal also had Gonzalez almost out on his feet in the last two rounds. Pascal has a style that looks as though he's hurt but he's not. We're talking about one of the best chins in boxing here.

I actually agreed with both decisions. I think BJ really blew that fight in the later rounds. He didn't deserve the win.
I'd never use "punch stats" to make an argument, time and time again they are shown to be a pile of steaming crap. Trust your eyes, not that of a couple of guys at ringside pressing buttons :)

If you want a fun test just do round 1 of Angulo Vs Kirkland.
caldo2025
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Re: Consistent cheating

Post by caldo2025 »

Boxing Prospect wrote:
I'd never use "punch stats" to make an argument, time and time again they are shown to be a pile of steaming crap. Trust your eyes, not that of a couple of guys at ringside pressing buttons :)

If you want a fun test just do round 1 of Angulo Vs Kirkland.
I have to agree with you there. Sometimes I look at those punch stats on wonder if I took a nap in the middle of the fight because I didn't see any of those punches land. But I really felt they were right on in this one. Gonzalez was a windmill the whole fight and Pascal dodged everything or ducked (which seems to be the big move now since Floyd did it all night to Manny). In my book, you should get dinged for a missed punch. It's equivalent to swinging and missing in baseball. Subsequently, the person making him miss should be rewarded for it. But honestly, who the hell knows anymore? Revamping the scoring system in boxing is way overdue.
Horse
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Post by Horse »

I didn't think Pascal winning was a robbery.

It was a close fight that could have gone either way.
PredatorHayds
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Re: Consistent cheating

Post by PredatorHayds »

Close fight. I had it a draw.

Gonzalez punches turned to slaps when he got tired late on. Pascal looked the stronger man.
Would be a good rematch though. Was a great fight as most Pascal fights.
keithmoonhangover
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Re: Consistent cheating

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It was a close fight. I had it a draw. It isn't the robbery of the century.
handsofstone
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Re: Consistent cheating

Post by handsofstone »

I didnt score it but it was close,i thought Gonzalez would get the nod but....

Great fight though,Pascal can sure take a punch,it just goes to show how hard Kovalev hits

And to think i picked Cleverly to beat Krusher :oops:
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