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Hughie is actually a pretty good fighter. But he's got no power so he has no shot against Wilder. But that's why the fight is happening.

However. Like I said - Hughie is a good fighter. He's far from a bum. He's got pretty good skills.
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Tony1244 wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Good on you but he himself struts around like a big shot world champion. Even said his belt was the best one and he calls the shots with Klitschko. So he has no modesty nor he has the courage to act like a champ .

Donald Trump, Gorgeous George, Ali, I've seen that show before, The password is showmanship. Get them to hate you is just as good as getting them to love you, as long as they are paying attention. Perhaps he thought Hughie would turn the offer down. Now he is the dog that chased the car and got the car.
Deontay is doing neither - they are laughing at him.

Who are "they?" A lot of famous people are laughed at. The questions are, are they winning, are they taking money to the bank. Deontae is likely going to have 2 or so more easy fights and than fight Wlad for all the marbles in 2016. Let's see how that pans out. Someone quoted me, when someone else said it. :shame: But I'll live through it.[/quote]

They are the people who will buy tickets and PPV's. That's who. How do you make any money when everyone thinks you're a fake champion and your career is a joke, would I buy a PPV featuring Wilder - no way, not fighting this level of opponent. To make money you have to be bankable, to be bankable, you have to be credible, something Wilder is not. His career is laughable so far, he's literally had one contender level opponent, In over 30 fights, and with a title belt to his name.

He won't earn that much fighting Wlad - if indeed Wlad is still fighting - or still champion, and will promptly get his arse whupped - he is doing nothing to prepare himself to fight Wlad, by knocking over tomato cans, or taking on young and inexperienced people like Hughie.
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He was offered 2million for the Briggs fight.
Looks like Briggs was considered too big a puncher!!!!!!!!
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and for the guy who claimed the WBC was a prestigious belt......

sorry. it really isnt

not at heavyweight

there may be some history attached to it but no one in their right mind would say it has any relevance at heavyweight

wlad will eventually get round to fighting any heavyweight who has any kind of top ranking...an alphabet bauble is largely irrelevant

the recent WBC activity has involved 2 Arreola v Stiverne fights both these guys records were hardly worthy of number 1 and 2 status.

ditto Wilder who had fought NO legitimate top fighters at all to get his shot.

and Molina had been destroyed in 1 by ........Arreola :roll: and had bottom scraped since then....his rating was merely due to King's influence.

now we have Hughie Fury as a challenger....who's record ranks up there with former bauble challenger Peter Okhello for sheer unbelievability.

hardly prestigious stuff?

funnily enough i wouldnt be surprised to find that Povetkin's next fight (for the equally pointless 'silver' title) is much tougher against a far better opponent? Thats generally how Povetkin's team work.

He is 100% legit as number 1 to wlad...he is the one to be beaten
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funso banjo baby wrote:funnily enough i wouldnt be surprised to find that Povetkin's next fight (for the equally pointless 'silver' title) is much tougher against a far better opponent? Thats generally how Povetkin's team work.

He is 100% legit as number 1 to wlad...he is the one to be beaten
Wlad already kicked Povetkin's ass once. I suppose a rematch is possible but not anytime soon (unless Povetkin wins the WBC belt).
Agree Wilder should fight him though - he will have to eventually.
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They are the people who will buy tickets and PPV's. That's who. How do you make any money when everyone thinks you're a fake champion and your career is a joke, would I buy a PPV featuring Wilder - no way, not fighting this level of opponent. To make money you have to be bankable, to be bankable, you have to be credible, something Wilder is not. His career is laughable so far, he's literally had one contender level opponent, In over 30 fights, and with a title belt to his name.

He won't earn that much fighting Wlad - if indeed Wlad is still fighting - or still champion, and will promptly get his arse whupped - he is doing nothing to prepare himself to fight Wlad, by knocking over tomato cans, or taking on young and inexperienced people like Hughie.>>>Quote>>>jamesmcdonnell

I'm a fan of Deontay's but his ducking of fighters like Povetkin and Spilkva is raising a red flag. He must not have a great chin. Molina and Hughie is certainly taking the easy road. He is likely to keep on winning until Wlad stops him. I'd like to predict a Wilder victory in that fight, but with the fighters, Deontay is chosing to fight I cannot do that.
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How is hughie fury be qualified for the title fight of WBC, he is right now positioned at 33 ???
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kych wrote:How is hughie fury be qualified for the title fight of WBC, he is right now positioned at 33 ???
WBC's new rules state that anyone ranked in the top 33 can challenge for their full title :OhYes:
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Is this fight confirmed now? Or is it still just a rumor?
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jujigatame wrote:Is this fight confirmed now? Or is it still just a rumor?
http://boxrec.com/boxer/468841
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Wilder,KO,1
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man wrote:
jujigatame wrote:Is this fight confirmed now? Or is it still just a rumor?
http://boxrec.com/boxer/468841
I noticed that but it wouldn't be the first time a fight was posted on BoxRec prematurely.
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jujigatame wrote:I noticed that but it wouldn't be the first time a fight was posted on BoxRec prematurely.
ah, okay. wasn't aware that this happens.
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:lol: he's an absolute embarrassment, His management must have absolutely no faith in him what so ever! This is why young kids watch UFC.
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Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
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Tony1244 wrote:Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
I give Hughie a better chance of beating Wilder than I do Berto beating Mayweather.
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Tony1244 wrote:Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
for many reasons it is. floyd is on his
way out, deontay on his way in, floyd
just fought a p4p ATG, wilder not so
much. aside of berto having way more
credentials than hughie fury, whom we
only know because of his brother.
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man wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
for many reasons it is. floyd is on his
way out, deontay on his way in, floyd
just fought a p4p ATG, wilder not so
much. aside of berto having way more
credentials than hughie fury, whom we
only know because of his brother.
They are cousins mate not brothers.

Weren't Lamon Brewster and Chris Byrd also first cousins?????
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Tony1244 wrote:Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
I can see reasonable arguments both ways.

From the 'no' side--Mayweather has fought at a very high level over the past several years while I think that DW has fought only 2 top 25 opponents in his nearly 7 year career, so in that sense I could say Mayweather has earned a soft fight far more than Wilder has. I also think Berto deserves to be higher ranked in his division and is more of a player there than Hughie is at HW, and he's far more experienced than the 20 year old, who has only 16 fights and hasn't faced anyone notable.

From the 'yes' side--I'd say even though they both deserve to be large underdogs Berto has a smaller chance of an upset, and as the sport's consensus #1 fighter and biggest draw it's reasonable to have much higher standards for Floyd than for a paper champ like Wilder, meaning that even though Berto may be better relative to his division he's the worse choice.

Ultimately, I believe they're both poor fights but context is important and I have less of an issue with Floyd-Berto (PPV aside) because I think that Berto is currently at a higher level than Hughie and that Floyd is more deserving of a drop in competition than Wilder, who has been fighting weak opposition nearly his entire career. I understand that Floyd's standing is much higher and I'm disappointed that as the top fighter in the sport he's facing Berto and not someone like Thurman or Garcia, but to me he's done enough that as a one-off the standards can be lowered and therefore have less of an issue with this than with Wilder bottom-feeding yet again, probably because his team doesn't have much confidence in him.
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I do'nt think this fight is going to happen. Although BOXREC confirmed and annouce the fight, however, the board will disapprove it. There are rules to be followed.
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tiny_acres wrote:
Tony1244 wrote:Is Deontay vs Hughie anymore ridiculous than Mayweather-Berto? Opinions?
I give Hughie a better chance of beating Wilder than I do Berto beating Mayweather.

Exactly. :TU:
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kych wrote:I do'nt think this fight is going to happen. Although BOXREC confirmed and annouce the fight, however, the board will disapprove it. There are rules to be followed.
This fight does not break any rules that I am aware of.

What rules do you think are being countermanded here?
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jamesmcdonnell wrote:
kych wrote:I do'nt think this fight is going to happen. Although BOXREC confirmed and annouce the fight, however, the board will disapprove it. There are rules to be followed.
This fight does not break any rules that I am aware of.

What rules do you think are being countermanded here?

No rules are being broken. He has one year after winning his title to fight his mandatory. Wilder is simply taking another tune-up while the Povekin fight is being negotiated for next year. He said himself he can't go around Povekin since it is his mandatory, and is looking forward to it. He fought Molina I think to test his broken hand more than anything, and didn't look great doing it, so I'm sure he wants (and needs) another tune up before Povetkin.
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Badhusker wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
kych wrote:I do'nt think this fight is going to happen. Although BOXREC confirmed and annouce the fight, however, the board will disapprove it. There are rules to be followed.
This fight does not break any rules that I am aware of.

What rules do you think are being countermanded here?

No rules are being broken. He has one year after winning his title to fight his mandatory. Wilder is simply taking another tune-up while the Povekin fight is being negotiated for next year. He said himself he can't go around Povekin since it is his mandatory, and is looking forward to it. He fought Molina I think to test his broken hand more than anything, and didn't look great doing it, so I'm sure he wants (and needs) another tune up before Povetkin.
I assume the rules being referred to are the WBC's on voluntary defenses:
WBC Rules and Regulations wrote: Champions shall defend their titles, either in a voluntary or mandatory defense, against a challenger (each, a “Qualified Challenger”) in one of the following categories:

(a) any of the top ten (10) rated contenders; or

(b) with the approval of or ratification by a majority of the Board of Governors,
i. any boxer rated 11 to 15;
ii. a champion or a highly-rated boxer of another weight division;
iii. another WBC champion, such as a WBC Diamond or Silver Champion, Champion Emeritus, or Champion in Recess;
iv. a former world champion or other elite challenger;
v. a champion of another boxing organization recognized by the WBC; or

(c) under special circumstances and with the approval of or ratification by two-third (2/3rd) of the Board of Governors, a contender not otherwise listed in one or more of the above categories.
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I'm guessing that, given the right amount of palm-greasing, just about anyone can get "ratification by two-thirds of the Board of Governors".
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