HBO Podcast's Top 10 P4P Punchers

[Aaronide_ger]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

[TheWigwam]

I think Maidana and Gonzalez are too high but love the podcast and like the list.

[IKSRTFO]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

Walters in Honorable mention but Maidana in top 10?

[Aaronide_ger]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

Walters in Honorable mention but Maidana in top 10?

In the podcast they mentioned that the Axeman is not Consistent, as showed with his inability to finish of the much smaller Mariaga.

[Ezzard]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

Walters in Honorable mention but Maidana in top 10?

Agree. He's a hard puncher but not top 10.

[Boxerbeetle]

I'm not sure Andy Lee belongs in this Top 10 tbh.

[Ricky_]

Anyone else think Kovalev should be a rather clear #1?

[CrazyHorse]

kind of disagree with that list. Lucas should be in the top 10 no doubt. For instance Maidana in thwre over Lucas. Maidana has more of a clubbing wear you down power while Lucas has that one shot power that can stop you dead in your tracks.

And the problem with David Lemieux, he demonstrates great power against weak opposition but once he steps up he looks ordinary, just have to use time - space, range and ring smarts and you can make DL look very avrerage

[IKSRTFO]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

Walters in Honorable mention but Maidana in top 10?

In the podcast they mentioned that the Axeman is not Consistent, as showed with his inability to finish of the much smaller Mariaga.

So he's not consistent but Maidana is? It's not like Maidana's been knocking people out left and right. Mathysse is more consistent than Maidana.

[CrazyHorse]

1. KOvalev
2. GGG
3. Matthysse
4. Wlad
5. Gonzalez


my opinion

[Aaronide_ger]

Well Mariaga's Resume was against very weak opposition. So everyone expected Walters to demolish him, including my self. Maidana has faced far superior opponents and not knocking them out can be "Justified " .

Also the word "Puncher" Doesnt have to mean that one must have "One punch KO Power" To be in the list.

ALSO as of note, Kovalev himself admitted that Gennady Punches harder. Search it and you will find out, So Kovalev > GGG isnt true as stated by Kovalev.

Andy Lee deserves to be in the list as he demonstrated that he has legit Punching power against Jackson,Korobov and even Quillin, Becoming the first man to drop him.

Last but not least, Lemieux Hands down deserves to be in the list. 25 of his 31 KOs Have ended in 2 rounds, While the "His power doesnt carry against better opposition" is false, Look what he did to Ndam and Rosado, 2 very solid Competitors.

[IKSRTFO]

Well Mariaga's Resume was against very weak opposition. So everyone expected Walters to demolish him, including my self. Maidana has faced far superior opponents and not knocking them out can be "Justified " .

Also the word "Puncher" Doesnt have to mean that one must have "One punch KO Power" To be in the list.

ALSO as of note, Kovalev himself admitted that Gennady Punches harder. Search it and you will find out, So Kovalev > GGG isnt true as stated by Kovalev.

Andy Lee deserves to be in the list as he demonstrated that he has legit Punching power against Jackson,Korobov and even Quillin, Becoming the first man to drop him.

Last but not least, Lemieux Hands down deserves to be in the list. 25 of his 31 KOs Have ended in 2 rounds, While the "His power doesnt carry against better opposition" is false, Look what he did to Ndam and Rosado, 2 very solid Competitors.

Matthysse knocking out Peterson is more impressive than anyone Maidana has knocked out. Maidana DID NOT knock out weak chin Khan.

[caldo2025]

1.Roman Gonzalez
2.Gennady Golovkin
3.Sergey Kovalev
4.Wladimir Klitschko
5.David Lemieux
6.Adonis Stevenson
7.Marcos Maidana
8.Artur Beterbiev
9.Takashi Uchiyama
10.Andy Lee

Honourable Mentions:

Lucas Mathysse
Ruslan Provodnikov
Deontay wilder
Nicholas Walters
Manny Pacquiao (Outside Top20 at 2015)

I think that any list that doesn't have GGG tops and Kovalev 2nd is bogus but other than that, I don't mind this list at all. I'd remove Maidana though and plug in Walters. Who the heck has Maidana knocked out?

[punchoutsb]

As far as I'm concerned the names are correct (though I'd remove Maidana and add Mathysse) but some of the ordering is a little wonky.

[CrazyHorse]

Last but not least, Lemieux Hands down deserves to be in the list. 25 of his 31 KOs Have ended in 2 rounds, While the "His power doesnt carry against better opposition" is false, Look what he did to Ndam and Rosado, 2 very solid Competitors.

He didnt stop ndam, lemieux couldnt even ko or BEAT alcine who is not only over the hill, hes not even that good and is chinny. lemieux is so overrated its hilarious. everytime he steps up he looks average. by your logic shouldnt William Fernando Souza Bezerra should be top 10 right? amiright?

when tyrone brunson was undefeated did u have him in ur top 10 punchers?

[crusader]

To me Lemieux not looking good when he steps up is mainly due to his relative lack of skill rather than power. He pop could be overrated but I'd still consider him one the top few punchers in his division and someone who isn't out of place on one of these lists, though I would have him lower than 4th and maybe in the HM mention group.

I'm not sure what criteria was used, but in terms of sheer power I wouldn't have Gonzalez at #1. He's got good pop but I think if several of the others had his skill they'd be even more destructive than he's been.

[CrazyHorse]

To me Lemieux not looking good when he steps up is mainly due to his relative lack of skill rather than power. He pop could be overrated but I'd still consider him one the top few punchers in his division and someone who isn't out of place on one of these lists, though I would have him lower than 4th and maybe in the HM mention group.

I'm not sure what criteria was used, but in terms of sheer power I wouldn't have Gonzalez at #1. He's got good pop but I think if several of the others had his skill they'd be even more destructive than he's been.

So where do you rank William Fernando Souza Berreza? Tyrone Brunson?

[CrazyHorse]

Like who is Lemieux best KO win? the other fighters in the top 10 actually KO good fighters. DL is a good puncher but would rather have him in Honourable mention list until he can get a ko win of a good opponent

[crusader]

To me Lemieux not looking good when he steps up is mainly due to his relative lack of skill rather than power. He pop could be overrated but I'd still consider him one the top few punchers in his division and someone who isn't out of place on one of these lists, though I would have him lower than 4th and maybe in the HM mention group.

I'm not sure what criteria was used, but in terms of sheer power I wouldn't have Gonzalez at #1. He's got good pop but I think if several of the others had his skill they'd be even more destructive than he's been.

So where do you rank William Fernando Souza Berreza? Tyrone Brunson?

Not on that list, and I'm not even sure if Souza has had an unfixed bout. I'm not suggesting that opposition quality is immaterial, but I am suggesting that I don't think a lack of power is the main reason why Lemieux's failed to stop certain opponents and I don't believe his opposition has been so poor that he should be precluded from being mentioned on that basis.

Like who is Lemieux best KO win? the other fighters in the top 10 actually KO good fighters.

Probably Rosado, whom he put down and clearly hurt more often than GGG and Quillin did in my view (that's the type of achievement that people like Souza and Brunson majorly lack), but it again goes back to skill for me. He had N'dam out on his feet in the second and all over the place when he landed, but he wasn't precise enough and didn't cut the ring off sufficiently to finish him. You noted shortcomings other than power in your previous post, so you should be able to see how those weaknesses can result in someone struggling when they step up regardless of how hard they hit.

I agree that most of the others have stopped better opposition, but most of them have also had more bouts against top opponents and are more skilled than him, which can help explain their greater KO success at a fairly high level. As I said though, I'd have him lower and probably in the HM group.

Other points:

-I'd can see a top ten spot for Wilder but I also understand why people would be hesistant to put him there considering his opposition and lack of a stoppage/KD against his only top ten opponent. That said, even guys who mainly fight stiffs tend not to be able to stop such a higher percentage of them over that many bouts, he had Stiverne in trouble several times, and overall he's done relatively well in stopping common opponents more quickly and decisvely than other notable fighters have. Maybe he's not quite the puncher his KO ratio suggests, but I believe that he can hurt pretty much anyone when he lands and that skill will be the main factor in him failing to score stoppages.

-I'm not sure what criteria was used, but in terms of sheer power I wouldn't have Gonzalez at #1. He's got good pop but I think if several of the others had his skill they'd be even more destructive than he's been.

-I wouldn't have Provo in the top ten or the HM group. I can again see reasons for him being placed as he was but for me he's a heavy-handed but unspectacular hitter who doesn't quite make the cut.

-I'd have Lucas above at least Maidana, Lee, Uchiyama, and Lemieux.

-Quillin wouldn't be out of place with an honorable mention imo.

-I don't believe that Pac belongs on these lists anymore.

[Aaronide_ger]

CrazyHorse WTF mate, This is not my list do you even F#cking read, I didnt make this top10. I also never said I agree with this list, the amount of idiocity and fanboy(sm) Is all over the place.

About Mathysse-Maidana , I would also put Mathtsse in the list, But in the Provo fight he was HURT more than Provo was (And dont talk about the cuts) He couldnt finish Provo with almost 300 punches landing, Maybe his power is not that Extraordinary.

Lemieux holds a great KO win against Rosado hurting him more than any other and also Dropping him, He was 22 when he faced Alcine, Stop mentioning "that" Lemieux, He is a whole different beast now, its Ridiculus Id easily put him in the top10. And Id struggle to find 10 other boxers that punch harder P4P Than Lemieux.

[IKSRTFO]

CrazyHorse WTF mate, This is not my list do you even F#cking read, I didnt make this top10. I also never said I agree with this list, the amount of idiocity and fanboy(sm) Is all over the place.

About Mathysse-Maidana , I would also put Mathtsse in the list, But in the Provo fight he was HURT more than Provo was (And dont talk about the cuts) He couldnt finish Provo with almost 300 punches landing, Maybe his power is not that Extraordinary.

Lemieux holds a great KO win against Rosado hurting him more than any other and also Dropping him, He was 22 when he faced Alcine, Stop mentioning "that" Lemieux, He is a whole different beast now, its Ridiculus Id easily put him in the top10. And Id struggle to find 10 other boxers that punch harder P4P Than Lemieux.

NO ONE has been able to stop Provoknikov. Maidana couldn't stop Khan who has been stopped by guys not on the list.

[HyacinthusTurnipseed]

I'd probably relegate Maidana and Gonzalez to honourable mentions and boost up Walters and either Wilder or Matthysse. Though he is out of fashion somewhat these days Nonito Donaire's power is still real, whatever his other flaws.

Other guys who're there or thereabouts are Naoya Inoue and (if he ever comes back) Mikey Garcia. Pacquiao hasn't been a worthy fit for this conversations in some time.