GGG hasn't earned it

[handsofstone]

WTF is a "Buddy Fight"?

I'd never ever heard that term until this fight was made,before when these type of fights were made,they were called what they were "terrible mis-matches"

Mayweather's certainly not alone in fighting guys who nobody wants to see but dont call yourself TBE etc and claim to be a businessman coz this match up makes no business sense whatsoever ,especially all the while telling everyone this is your last fight and expecting all the fans to pay through the nose to see the farewell of a ATG

Buddy Fight ha,that genuinly makes me cringe,did that spawn on Boxrec?

[caldo2025]

So according to you Floyd has all the advantages; let's see:

vs Canelo-who is bigger, younger, stronger and had more fights than Floyd at the time
vs Oscar-DLH was bigger, more experienced, better chin, taller.
vs SSM-bigger, been at the weight longer, bigger puncher, better chin, more experience
vs Maidana-younger, stronger, great chin, tougher physically, bigger puncher
vs Corrales-taller, longer, bigger puncher, great chin, physically stronger
vs Castillo-stronger, more experience, bigger puncher, greater chin

I could go on and on but a Hater like you have already been exposed by your own lies and BS.

vs. Canelo: Even though they were fighting for Canelo's belt at 154lbs. Floyd would not make the fight unless it was fought at a catchweight. Canelo was gaunt and depleted for this fight and it really hurt his performance in the ring. Canelo ""They wanted me to go to 147,'' Alvarez said earlier this week when he said he was already down to 154 pounds. "I said that was physically impossible. Then they wanted 150 and then 151. I wanted to make the fight, so I agreed to 152. Then they forced me to be quiet about it.''

DLH: Oscar was at the very end of his career and had clearly lost his fastball. This fight was still up for grabs in the later rounds. They had a rematch planned for 2008 but Floyd "retired" so he didn't have to face Oscar again.

SSM: One of the most overrated boxers in history. Like Cotto, another boxer that has lost the majority of the big fights he's been in. Clearly was only good when on the juice. Also long in the tooth when it came time to fight Floyd.

Maidana: Hardly an elite fighter so i'm not really sure what your point is here. Floyd threatens to take his ball and go home if Maidana doesn't change the boxing gloves he's been licensed to use and in training camp with for the last 6 weeks. Floyd made sure that Bayless broke them up in that second fight every second he could. It was so clear that Floyd manipulated the second fight that it was pathetic to watch. Floyd made sure that Maidana couldn't use his tools in that second fight. Both fights with Maidana were shady.

Corrales and Castillo were good wins and a millions of years and dollars ago so you can tuck those under your pillow. It's ok KBB, you can still walk around with your Floyd's #1 foam finger and be the fanboy everyone on this site knows you to be. Your Blind Envy is exactly the type of fan Floyd was hoping for. So congratulations, you're weak.

[Counter-puncher]

Floyd retired so he didn't have to face Oscar again

Sorry fella, that's

[keithmoonhangover]

Floyd retired so he didn't have to face Oscar again

Sorry fella, that's

Then why didn't he fight him again? It was a close fight and I though Oscar edged it.

[KBB]

Floyd retired so he didn't have to face Oscar again

Sorry fella, that's

This Caldo is such a joke, first he comes on the forum as though he likes Floyd, now after Floyd beats Manny he's here singing a different tune, what a clown.

Anyone who wasn't blind can see that Floyd easily beat DLH in that fight, it was nowhere near close but I guess if you are stupid enough to buy into all the screaming being done by DLH fans and count the crap that he was throwing whether it was landing or not then you'd be caught up into actually believing Oscar was winning or having effective aggression of which he was not.

Oh well, it all depends on how much you hate Floyd is how you scored this fight.

[KBB]

So according to you Floyd has all the advantages; let's see:

vs Canelo-who is bigger, younger, stronger and had more fights than Floyd at the time
vs Oscar-DLH was bigger, more experienced, better chin, taller.
vs SSM-bigger, been at the weight longer, bigger puncher, better chin, more experience
vs Maidana-younger, stronger, great chin, tougher physically, bigger puncher
vs Corrales-taller, longer, bigger puncher, great chin, physically stronger
vs Castillo-stronger, more experience, bigger puncher, greater chin

I could go on and on but a Hater like you have already been exposed by your own lies and BS.

vs. Canelo: Even though they were fighting for Canelo's belt at 154lbs. Floyd would not make the fight unless it was fought at a catchweight. Canelo was gaunt and depleted for this fight and it really hurt his performance in the ring. Canelo ""They wanted me to go to 147,'' Alvarez said earlier this week when he said he was already down to 154 pounds. "I said that was physically impossible. Then they wanted 150 and then 151. I wanted to make the fight, so I agreed to 152. Then they forced me to be quiet about it.''

DLH: Oscar was at the very end of his career and had clearly lost his fastball. This fight was still up for grabs in the later rounds. They had a rematch planned for 2008 but Floyd "retired" so he didn't have to face Oscar again.

SSM: One of the most overrated boxers in history. Like Cotto, another boxer that has lost the majority of the big fights he's been in. Clearly was only good when on the juice. Also long in the tooth when it came time to fight Floyd.

Maidana: Hardly an elite fighter so i'm not really sure what your point is here. Floyd threatens to take his ball and go home if Maidana doesn't change the boxing gloves he's been licensed to use and in training camp with for the last 6 weeks. Floyd made sure that Bayless broke them up in that second fight every second he could. It was so clear that Floyd manipulated the second fight that it was pathetic to watch. Floyd made sure that Maidana couldn't use his tools in that second fight. Both fights with Maidana were shady.

Corrales and Castillo were good wins and a millions of years and dollars ago so you can tuck those under your pillow. It's ok KBB, you can still walk around with your Floyd's #1 foam finger and be the fanboy everyone on this site knows you to be. Your Blind Envy is exactly the type of fan Floyd was hoping for. So congratulations, you're weak.

Your point was totally squashed when you stated that Floyd had ALL the advantages, i easily destroyed your hateful BS and garbage insight on that ridiculous claim and now you come here with a campaign to discredit Floyd by trying to dissect his opponents and the worst thing that exposes you for not only being a hater but a stupid one is your garbage claim of Floyd retiring because he was afraid to face Oscar a second time, lol.

We're done, I have no more to discuss with you. You've totally fell off the wagon and need to stop puffing that stuff you've been smoking idiot.

[punchoutsb]

So according to you Floyd has all the advantages; let's see:

vs Canelo-who is bigger, younger, stronger and had more fights than Floyd at the time
vs Oscar-DLH was bigger, more experienced, better chin, taller.
vs SSM-bigger, been at the weight longer, bigger puncher, better chin, more experience
vs Maidana-younger, stronger, great chin, tougher physically, bigger puncher
vs Corrales-taller, longer, bigger puncher, great chin, physically stronger
vs Castillo-stronger, more experience, bigger puncher, greater chin

I could go on and on but a Hater like you have already been exposed by your own lies and BS.

What is this crap? Canelo having more fights than Floyd is an advantage? How does Oscar (or anyone you mentioned for that matter) have a better chin that Floyd, who has never been legitimately knocked down in his career?

Floyd is a master boxer. A master. The only legitimate advantages any of the guys mentioned had over Floyd would have been size and power; which is easily negated by Floyd's defense.

I know you're reaching really far to try and make some point, but that list is just silly.

lol to you claiming that I'm reaching when I have proven my point against the bs that Caldo was spewing. Yes having more fights is an advantage because that equals ring experience, I'm not sure how you can call yourself a boxing fan and not know this.

We could easily say that Floyd has all the advantages over every opponent he faced using your garbage analogy and Caldo's BS but then I've already proven that to be horsesh*t.

You didn't prove your point, because you're reaching and your point that Floyd was somehow an underdog in every fight is complete and utter crap.

And no, having more fights does NOT always equal more experience...the fact that you don't know this is actually pretty say. If you REALLY believe that 23 year old Canelo Alvarez had still has more experience then Floyd, well, I just don't know what to even say to that. It's that retarted.

[palooka]

I think you could say that Oscar had the better proven chin for the fact that Floyd has his reached so rarely. Oscar got clocked by heavy hitters a few times and came through, (Hopkins and Manny aside ).

Floyd doesn't get clocked that often though he seems solid to me.

[punchoutsb]

I think you could say that Oscar had the better proven chin for the fact that Floyd has his reached so rarely. Oscar got clocked by heavy hitters a few times and came through, (Hopkins and Manny aside ).

Floyd doesn't get clocked that often though he seems solid to me.

I'd say by the time a guy gets to Floyd's level, against the very best and never legitimately been down, he's got an awesome chin.

[palooka]

I think you could say that Oscar had the better proven chin for the fact that Floyd has his reached so rarely. Oscar got clocked by heavy hitters a few times and came through, (Hopkins and Manny aside ).

Floyd doesn't get clocked that often though he seems solid to me.

I'd say by the time a guy gets to Floyd's level, against the very best and never legitimately been down, he's got an awesome chin.

Yeah, I can see that view or you could also say that his defensive mastery and timing make it so very difficult to be hit clean. I've no doubt at all that Floyd is very strong and very tough and there is no mystery that he has a style of boxing rather than marching in with his head up.

[KBB]

You didn't prove your point, because you're reaching and your point that Floyd was somehow an underdog in every fight is complete and utter crap.

And no, having more fights does NOT always equal more experience...the fact that you don't know this is actually pretty say. If you REALLY believe that 23 year old Canelo Alvarez had still has more experience then Floyd, well, I just don't know what to even say to that. It's that retarted.

See this how dumb you are that you exposed yourself, I never stated that Floyd was somehow an underdog in every fight, all I did was dispel that BS that Caldo was spitting about Floyd supposedly having ALL the advantages in every fight and I did that very easily.

It's too bad you're too much of an idiot and lack the proper reading comprehension to understand the difference between what I said and what that other idiot (Caldo, probably you anyway) said.

[punchoutsb]

You didn't prove your point, because you're reaching and your point that Floyd was somehow an underdog in every fight is complete and utter crap.

And no, having more fights does NOT always equal more experience...the fact that you don't know this is actually pretty say. If you REALLY believe that 23 year old Canelo Alvarez had still has more experience then Floyd, well, I just don't know what to even say to that. It's that retarted.

See this how dumb you are that you exposed yourself, I never stated that Floyd was somehow an underdog in every fight, all I did was dispel that BS that Caldo was spitting about Floyd supposedly having ALL the advantages in every fight and I did that very easily.

It's too bad you're too much of an idiot and lack the proper reading comprehension to understand the difference between what I said and what that other idiot (Caldo, probably you anyway) said.

Trying to change the subject won't change the fact that you didn't dispel anything.

Floyd will hold advantages over the majority he faces because he is the best boxer of his era. I can't see what's so hard to understand about this. But I'm not sure why I'm trying to explain this to a guy who thinks Canelo Alvarez had an experience advantage over Floyd

[KBB]

Trying to change the subject won't change the fact that you didn't dispel anything.

Floyd will hold advantages over the majority he faces because he is the best boxer of his era. I can't see what's so hard to understand about this. But I'm not sure why I'm trying to explain this to a guy who thinks Canelo Alvarez had an experience advantage over Floyd

I never changed anything, I stuck to what I said but apparently your lack of comprehension has risen its' ugly head again and left you mindless, Caldo said Floyd had "ALL" the advantages, I showed he didn't. As far as Canelo who had more professional bouts than Floyd, it should be obvious that one who has more professional fights has more experience fighting "professionally" than one who doesn't but somehow with your ability to even comprehend the most simplistic of ideas and facts leaves you clueless to this fact.

Oh well, my father told me after you have given concrete reasoning and someone is still able to understand then just realize that you cannot reason with an idiot and let them remain one.

[punchoutsb]

Trying to change the subject won't change the fact that you didn't dispel anything.

Floyd will hold advantages over the majority he faces because he is the best boxer of his era. I can't see what's so hard to understand about this. But I'm not sure why I'm trying to explain this to a guy who thinks Canelo Alvarez had an experience advantage over Floyd

I never changed anything, I stuck to what I said but apparently your lack of comprehension has risen its' ugly head again and left you mindless, Caldo said Floyd had "ALL" the advantages, I showed he didn't. As far as Canelo who had more professional bouts than Floyd, it should be obvious that one who has more professional fights has more experience fighting "professionally" than one who doesn't but somehow with your ability to even comprehend the most simplistic of ideas and facts leaves you clueless to this fact.

Oh well, my father told me after you have given concrete reasoning and someone is still able to understand then just realize that you cannot reason with an idiot and let them remain one.

So even your father thought you were an idiot? That's harsh man, sorry to hear that.

But yeah, what you're saying about Canelo is that he had more fights than Floyd. Experience only matters when the context of level is included. Floyd was vastly more experienced than Canelo. You know it, stop making ridiculous arguments to save your stupid argument.

Floyd is the best of his generation. If you think Canelo fighting bums makes him more experienced than Floyd (at age 23) then you REALLY need some common sense.

[KBB]

So even your father thought you were an idiot? That's harsh man, sorry to hear that.

But yeah, what you're saying about Canelo is that he had more fights than Floyd. Experience only matters when the context of level is included. Floyd was vastly more experienced than Canelo. You know it, stop making ridiculous arguments to save your stupid argument.

Floyd is the best of his generation. If you think Canelo fighting bums makes him more experienced than Floyd (at age 23) then you REALLY need some common sense.

There is just no way to get you to accept the reality which is that Canelo has more professional ring experience, I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to accept, go here on Boxrec and look it up for yourself.

A little acknowledgement of the facts would help you to live in the same reality as the rest of the world.

[Pureist]

Kbb, its as obvious that Canelo was less experienced as it is obvious that floyd v berto is a disgrace

[punchoutsb]

So even your father thought you were an idiot? That's harsh man, sorry to hear that.

But yeah, what you're saying about Canelo is that he had more fights than Floyd. Experience only matters when the context of level is included. Floyd was vastly more experienced than Canelo. You know it, stop making ridiculous arguments to save your stupid argument.

Floyd is the best of his generation. If you think Canelo fighting bums makes him more experienced than Floyd (at age 23) then you REALLY need some common sense.

There is just no way to get you to accept the reality which is that Canelo has more professional ring experience, I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to accept, go here on Boxrec and look it up for yourself.

A little acknowledgement of the facts would help you to live in the same reality as the rest of the world.

Floyd Mayweather 44-0 vs Canelo Alvarez 42-0-1. I know math isn't your strong suit, but 44 is greater than 43.

Floyd Mayweather 375 rounds boxed, Alvarez 314 rounds boxed. I know math isn't your strong suit, but 375 is greater than 314.

And that's just taking your ignorant side of thinking number of fights equals experience without context coming in to play.

Let's see how you try and back track out of this one.

But I'm sure you'll just flee the thread and hide out like you do.

[KBB]

Floyd Mayweather 44-0 vs Canelo Alvarez 42-0-1. I know math isn't your strong suit, but 44 is greater than 43.

Floyd Mayweather 375 rounds boxed, Alvarez 314 rounds boxed. I know math isn't your strong suit, but 375 is greater than 314.

And that's just taking your ignorant side of thinking number of fights equals experience without context coming in to play.

Let's see how you try and back track out of this one.

But I'm sure you'll just flee the thread and hide out like you do.

Nope, not running, you are correct and i was wrong. Kudos to you, you did your search and got the numbers.

[man]

I'd say by the time a guy gets to Floyd's level, against the very best and never legitimately been down, he's got an awesome chin.

i was so amazed to see him catch and
hold on to the very same hand that shane
hit him with. watch it. amazing. this guy
has reflexes unheard of, even when he
gets hit.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you ever objective when it comes to Floyd?

I don't recall asking you anything at all but to answer your question I've stated the following and if what I said below isn't objective enough for you then you know what you can do:

I believe Mayweather lost to Castillo in their first fight, I also believe Zab legitimately knocked Floyd down in their fight but it wasn't scored, I also think that outside of the ring that Mayweather isn't a decent person who has done some horrible things and said some as well but I also believe that inside of the ring he is the best.

If that isn't objectivity then I don't know what is. Next time instead of questioning me, why don't you allow him to answer for himself.

Forgive me then. I agree with you on all counts above. But, I do not give Floyd a pass on this choice of opponent. Don't care if it's a buddy fight. Floyd has stated on many occasions that he is the GOAT and better than all the rest. So, take on some challenges. Especially if this is his last fight.

This is not just a buddy fight. It is a fight that makes everyone aware that he has no interest in boxing anymore. He is fulfilling his contract with the easiest opponent he can find while giving Berto a payday. The fight stinks. I hope it does horrible numbers.

Err, take on some challengers? Really? Jesus!

Floyd is 38 and a couple of fights from retirement - sure, it's a soft opponent, but he's not exactly a complete bum - it's a big of a walkover fight, but really this is a build up to the Pacquaio rematch - which I most certainly will not be watching.

Floyd's career is pretty much over, it was a very good one, the last 4-5 years he's become pretty boring to watch, but he's certainly a very clever fighter, - nowhere near on of my all time favourites to watch, but a great fighter nevertheless.

[caldo2025]

Your point was totally squashed when you stated that Floyd had ALL the advantages, i easily destroyed your hateful BS and garbage insight on that ridiculous claim and now you come here with a campaign to discredit Floyd by trying to dissect his opponents and the worst thing that exposes you for not only being a hater but a stupid one is your garbage claim of Floyd retiring because he was afraid to face Oscar a second time, lol.

We're done, I have no more to discuss with you. You've totally fell off the wagon and need to stop puffing that stuff you've been smoking idiot

To win and argument and prove someone wrong, you just need to call them names like "idiot" a whole bunch of times like your a 12 year old on the playground? That's not the way I reply back to someone calling me out but if it's worked for you, congrats. No facts, just insults. You're a classy guy and should be proud.

Don't comment on my messages and i'll keep clear of your one sided, Floyd love. Anyone that can't acknowledge the clear advantages Floyd has in these home cooked fights, is either not a very bright person or Leonard Ellerbe. I'm starting to think that you may really be the latter but who cares, you're officially dead to me. I'm only dealing with a higher class of people that have reason moving forward. I'll stay out of the slums that are the message boards you create or hang out in.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Your point was totally squashed when you stated that Floyd had ALL the advantages, i easily destroyed your hateful BS and garbage insight on that ridiculous claim and now you come here with a campaign to discredit Floyd by trying to dissect his opponents and the worst thing that exposes you for not only being a hater but a stupid one is your garbage claim of Floyd retiring because he was afraid to face Oscar a second time, lol.

We're done, I have no more to discuss with you. You've totally fell off the wagon and need to stop puffing that stuff you've been smoking idiot

To win and argument and prove someone wrong, you just need to call them names like "idiot" a whole bunch of times like your a 12 year old on the playground? That's not the way I reply back to someone calling me out but if it's worked for you, congrats. No facts, just insults. You're a classy guy and should be proud.

Don't comment on my messages and i'll keep clear of your one sided, Floyd love. Anyone that can't acknowledge the clear advantages Floyd has in these home cooked fights, is either not a very bright person or Leonard Ellerbe. I'm starting to think that you may really be the latter but who cares, you're officially dead to me. I'm only dealing with a higher class of people that have reason moving forward. I'll stay out of the slums that are the message boards you create or hang out in.

I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue about his cherry picking and gaining advantage over opponents - however, at 38 and with maybe 2 more fights left before he retires, is it THAT much of a crime to be taking a very soft touch in Berto.

Personally, I don't think it is - but then nor will I pay for the PPV if it comes to the UK.

[caldo2025]

I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue about his cherry picking and gaining advantage over opponents - however, at 38 and with maybe 2 more fights left before he retires, is it THAT much of a crime to be taking a very soft touch in Berto.

Personally, I don't think it is - but then nor will I pay for the PPV if it comes to the UK.

I really don't even mind the "cherry picking" if the fight is fair and negotiated fairly. What the Floyd Loving Child doesn't seem to get is that i'm not knocking the opposition Floyd's been lined up against, it's the unfair advantages he's had going into the ring. Do you think Rocky Marciano got to pick the referee for a big fight? Did he also get to pick one of the judges to preside over the fight (Moretti)? Floyd can even change his opponents gloves on fight night? It's this stuff that only a Floyd lover, blind with envy, will refuse to acknowledge.

You notice that the Floyd Lover doesn't answer to these in the posts above, instead he just calls people idiot and stupid. Really highly intelligent conversationalist. I now see why no one can stand the guy.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I don't think anyone in their right mind could argue about his cherry picking and gaining advantage over opponents - however, at 38 and with maybe 2 more fights left before he retires, is it THAT much of a crime to be taking a very soft touch in Berto.

Personally, I don't think it is - but then nor will I pay for the PPV if it comes to the UK.

I really don't even mind the "cherry picking" if the fight is fair and negotiated fairly. What the Floyd Loving Child doesn't seem to get is that i'm not knocking the opposition Floyd's been lined up against, it's the unfair advantages he's had going into the ring. Do you think Rocky Marciano got to pick the referee for a big fight? Did he also get to pick one of the judges to preside over the fight (Moretti)? Floyd can even change his opponents gloves on fight night? It's this stuff that only a Floyd lover, blind with envy, will refuse to acknowledge.

You notice that the Floyd Lover doesn't answer to these in the posts above, instead he just calls people idiot and stupid. Really highly intelligent conversationalist. I now see why no one can stand the guy.

These things are not new to Floyd, they have always been part of negotiations before a fight, with the champion usually (though not always calling the shots).

I've seen nothing to suggest that there is any impropriety regarding Moretti - as far as I am concerned, there is really only one contentious decision in Floyd's career, and that was against Castillo - and that was far from controversial - and Moretti wasn't involved in either of those.

[caldo2025]

These things are not new to Floyd, they have always been part of negotiations before a fight, with the champion usually (though not always calling the shots).

I've seen nothing to suggest that there is any impropriety regarding Moretti - as far as I am concerned, there is really only one contentious decision in Floyd's career, and that was against Castillo - and that was far from controversial - and Moretti wasn't involved in either of those.

I don't think there's ever been a boxer with more control over fights than Floyd. If you have any examples to prove otherwise then I'm all ears. Boxing has bent the rules to cater to this guy and if you can't see that then I'm not sure what sport you've been watching. You don't have a problem with a boxer having the same judge 4 out of his last 5 fights?