jamesmcdonnell wrote:Ricky_ wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:
WTF you on about - it went the distance!
I know it did, but corrupt or incompetent refereeing doesn't take away from the fact that Pacquiao flattened Algieri.
https://youtu.be/60s_APrcyxA?t=45s
Algieri hits the canvas with 1:22 on the clock, doesn't get to his feet til 1:10 and isn't ready to continue until 1:02. That's a clean 'Knock Out' all day.
Not to mention Algieri visited the canvas 6 times.
Pacquiao is no Tommy Hearns but he's still among the top few punchers in the current Welterweight scene, and carries more than enough firepower to get Khan out of there who was crawling around the canvas at the hands of Diaz not so long ago.
A fighter is only obliged to get to his feet within the REFEREE'S count. It is very rare that the count begins as soon as a fighter hits the deck, in fact almost never. Algieri was clearly in a condition to continue, his eyes were clear, and he followed the referees count, taking advantage of the full period allowed. I'm pretty confident he could have gotten up sooner. The fact that Pacquaio had him down 6 times indicates that he lacks finishing power.
I agree Pacman still hits, but he's not a concussive puncher any longer, I'd say there's quite a few guys hit harder than him, arguably Garcia for one.
The count is supposed to begin from the moment the fighter touches down and it's usually the ringside ref/timekeeper who begins the count, often you'll see a ref in the ring turn around to the timekeeper to see where the count is at before they start counting over the fighter, it's very common to see the ref start from "2" or "3" after taking the lead from the timekeeper.
The count of 10 is also based on 10 seconds. Ref's are trained that the speed of the count is roughly per second. Whenever a "long count" controversy comes up, the count is compared to seconds. Don King tried to have Tyson loss to Buster Douglas overturned because the ref's count on Buster was long, with Buster having spent 13 seconds down.
Pacquiao vs Algieri was a KO. The fact that Algieri was given 20 seconds, (double the allocated time) to recover means that boxing fans should unofficially consider it a KO. A boxer must be ready to continue by the count of 10, not simply get back to his feet. Malik Scott vs Dereck Chisora has a similar controversy with Scott springing up to his fight right on 10 even though he seemed fine from around the count of 5. But the rules are, you must be up & ready within the 10 count. It's undisputable that Algieri took 12 seconds to get back to his feet and was given a further 8 by the ref before he instructed box on, giving Algieri 20 seconds to recover. With the fight being in Macau my opinion is there was some gambling fix at play on the outcome of the fight.
