Floyd vs Berto now official

[KBB]

I don't know what you're trying to say here, I'm talking about what weight they are in the ring on fight night. Floyd and Pac are around 150, give or take a couple pounds. Marquez used to be less but he eventually bulked up to something around the 150 level himself. Golovkin is like 170.

I'm just saying that beating a guy at his best weight class is different to beating him in a higher weight class.

A victory over Robinson by a rival welter as a welter is far more impressive than a middleweight beating him.

Pac isn't great at 147 (he's very good). At 130-126 he's all-time top material.

I could hit the roids and bulk up to 270 but Wlad would still hold all the advantages that come with his size.

So what do you make of JMM flattening Manny at 147??

[punchoutsb]

I don't know what you're trying to say here, I'm talking about what weight they are in the ring on fight night. Floyd and Pac are around 150, give or take a couple pounds. Marquez used to be less but he eventually bulked up to something around the 150 level himself. Golovkin is like 170.

I'm just saying that beating a guy at his best weight class is different to beating him in a higher weight class.

A victory over Robinson by a rival welter as a welter is far more impressive than a middleweight beating him.

Pac isn't great at 147 (he's very good). At 130-126 he's all-time top material.

I could hit the roids and bulk up to 270 but Wlad would still hold all the advantages that come with his size.

So what do you make of JMM flattening Manny at 147??

I would imagine he feels it proves his point that Pac isn't great at 147...

[KBB]

I would imagine he feels it proves his point that Pac isn't great at 147...

You have a point but he's a big boy, I'm sure he can answer for himself.

[punchoutsb]

I would imagine he feels it proves his point that Pac isn't great at 147...

You have a point but he's a big boy, I'm sure he can answer for himself.

I'm sure you're quite right

[jamesmcdonnell]

Maybe you should check before you state things tanzio, GGG makes weight extremely easily, never looks drawn and rehydrates to around 170 for fight night, Canelo rehydrates to between 172-174 generally on fight night, have you ever seen a fight where GGG looks the bigger of the 2, he said himself that he could make 154 without too much stress, you may like cherry picking but I certainly don't, it's not good for boxing and as for kbb, your giving him a pass BY saying this is a buddy fight, describe it as it should be described, a FARSE

Either you are insanely stupid or really blind, I made it clear that this is a waste of a fight, I also said it was a buddy fight and I understand it, but what part of that equates to me giving it a pass.

I swear you have to be the most dense individual on this forum.

Don't you get it, anything less than denouncing Floyd as the antichrist is never going to be enough for Pureist.

[Tanzio]

Maybe you should check before you state things tanzio, GGG makes weight extremely easily, never looks drawn and rehydrates to around 170 for fight night, Canelo rehydrates to between 172-174 generally on fight night, have you ever seen a fight where GGG looks the bigger of the 2, he said himself that he could make 154 without too much stress, you may like cherry picking but I certainly don't, it's not good for boxing and as for kbb, your giving him a pass BY saying this is a buddy fight, describe it as it should be described, a FARSE

3G has never weighed in at under 159. Meanwhile, Gingerhead has never weighed in over 155. If making 154 is so easy for 3G he would have done it by now. He may be able to make it down there but that does not make him a small MW or smaller than a guy who has never fought at MW.

You look the fool with your FMJ is cherry picking because he is not choosing to fight 3G. You could make an argument about who he has chosen to fight over the years but your 3G obsession undermines you upfront.

[punchoutsb]

3G has never weighed in at under 159. Meanwhile, Gingerhead has never weighed in over 155. If making 154 is so easy for 3G he would have done it by now. He may be able to make it down there but that does not make him a small MW or smaller than a guy who has never fought at MW.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but this needs a little expanding. GGG is a smallish MW. He's come in under 160 in the majority of his fights, even by just a pound that is substantial. The only reason to go to 154 would be for Floyd because Floyd brings the mega bucks to the table that makes the extra cut worth it. So the fact he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't, just that there is no point unless its for mega millions against Floyd.

All that being said, I need to clarify that I don't think Floyd is "ducking" GGG or anything to that effect so I don't get jumped on by the Floyd faithful. You can't duck someone who isn't in your weight class.

[brilo33]

Thurmans take on the fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnBd3BSw24Q
interesting, talks khan , brook

[Pureist]

Maybe you should check before you state things tanzio, GGG makes weight extremely easily, never looks drawn and rehydrates to around 170 for fight night, Canelo rehydrates to between 172-174 generally on fight night, have you ever seen a fight where GGG looks the bigger of the 2, he said himself that he could make 154 without too much stress, you may like cherry picking but I certainly don't, it's not good for boxing and as for kbb, your giving him a pass BY saying this is a buddy fight, describe it as it should be described, a FARSE

Either you are insanely stupid or really blind, I made it clear that this is a waste of a fight, I also said it was a buddy fight and I understand it, but what part of that equates to me giving it a pass.

I swear you have to be the most dense individual on this forum.

Don't you get it, anything less than denouncing Floyd as the antichrist is never going to be enough for Pureist.

So critisizing floyd make people haters, is that your narrow minded assumption, nothing will make this fight right, tanzio, learn how to use boxrec, he has come in under 159, you guys make yourselves look stupid, wasn't I on ignore pommy, your full of it

[Tanzio]

3G has never weighed in at under 159. Meanwhile, Gingerhead has never weighed in over 155. If making 154 is so easy for 3G he would have done it by now. He may be able to make it down there but that does not make him a small MW or smaller than a guy who has never fought at MW.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but this needs a little expanding. GGG is a smallish MW. He's come in under 160 in the majority of his fights, even by just a pound that is substantial. The only reason to go to 154 would be for Floyd because Floyd brings the mega bucks to the table that makes the extra cut worth it. So the fact he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't, just that there is no point unless its for mega millions against Floyd.

All that being said, I need to clarify that I don't think Floyd is "ducking" GGG or anything to that effect so I don't get jumped on by the Floyd faithful. You can't duck someone who isn't in your weight class.

3G is not "a smallish MW." Weighing in between 159 and 160 is what MWs do. He is average size for MW currently and historically. I did not say that 3G cannot make 154 but he has never done it and he should take a lesson from Dawson's experience cutting to a weight below to face a p4p fighter.

Besides, FMJ's title is actually at 154* (*152).

[punchoutsb]

3G has never weighed in at under 159. Meanwhile, Gingerhead has never weighed in over 155. If making 154 is so easy for 3G he would have done it by now. He may be able to make it down there but that does not make him a small MW or smaller than a guy who has never fought at MW.

I agree with your overall sentiment, but this needs a little expanding. GGG is a smallish MW. He's come in under 160 in the majority of his fights, even by just a pound that is substantial. The only reason to go to 154 would be for Floyd because Floyd brings the mega bucks to the table that makes the extra cut worth it. So the fact he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't, just that there is no point unless its for mega millions against Floyd.

All that being said, I need to clarify that I don't think Floyd is "ducking" GGG or anything to that effect so I don't get jumped on by the Floyd faithful. You can't duck someone who isn't in your weight class.

3G is not "a smallish MW." Weighing in between 159 and 160 is what MWs do. He is average size for MW currently and historically. I did not say that 3G cannot make 154 but he has never done it and he should take a lesson from Dawson's experience cutting to a weight below to face a p4p fighter.

Besides, FMJ's title is actually at 154* (*152).

He is a smallish middleweight by todays standards. He consistently looks smaller than his opponents.

I know you didn't say he couldn't make 154, but you did say if he could make it then he would have by know...but the only reason to do it is for Floyd hence why he has not.

[Pureist]

Exactly right, if GGG could make 154 for that title why not, you guys have lost the whole perception of weight classes, if he can get on the scales at 154 then go ahead, if he lost because he was weight drained then that's his problem, if floyd lost because he ventured into a division too heavy for him then that's his problem, if you have 2 154 titles don't complain if your opponent is bigger on fight night, you won those titles, be prepared to defend them, you can't be more fair than that, floyd fought JMM and came in well over, I'm sure he was very happy with that advantage, sometimes it goes your way and sometimes it doesn't, roll with it

[Badhusker]

DLH made 147 for Pac, and was done before it even started. Both Ward and Bhop said they would fight Floyd at 160. GGG's offer extended to Pac too. Pac was heavier than Floyd last fight.....maybe he should fight GGG?

All nonsense talk. No one wants to see weight drained guys fight, but they will for enough $. Time to move on Pureist, and hope Berto beats Floyd.

[Tanzio]

:)

I agree with your overall sentiment, but this needs a little expanding. GGG is a smallish MW. He's come in under 160 in the majority of his fights, even by just a pound that is substantial. The only reason to go to 154 would be for Floyd because Floyd brings the mega bucks to the table that makes the extra cut worth it. So the fact he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't, just that there is no point unless its for mega millions against Floyd.

All that being said, I need to clarify that I don't think Floyd is "ducking" GGG or anything to that effect so I don't get jumped on by the Floyd faithful. You can't duck someone who isn't in your weight class.

3G is not "a smallish MW." Weighing in between 159 and 160 is what MWs do. He is average size for MW currently and historically. I did not say that 3G cannot make 154 but he has never done it and he should take a lesson from Dawson's experience cutting to a weight below to face a p4p fighter.

Besides, FMJ's title is actually at 154* (*152).

He is a smallish middleweight by todays standards. He consistently looks smaller than his opponents.

I know you didn't say he couldn't make 154, but you did say if he could make it then he would have by know...but the only reason to do it is for Floyd hence why he has not.

Your opinion of how he looks versus other MWs does not constitute evidence that he is a smallish MW.

[jamesmcdonnell]

He is definitely a pretty short middleweight by modern standards. Of course that doesn't make him undersized, merely not as tall as others.

One good reason for him to stick where he is, he's not really got the frame for moving up in weight, he will be up against men with far longer reaches if he moves to 168.

[punchoutsb]

Your opinion of how he looks versus other MWs does not constitute evidence that he is a smallish MW.

He's the shortest in the boxrec top ten (not counting Cotto) and regularly weighs in well under the 160 limit. I don't think he's ever weighed over 161 like guys like Lee, Quillin, or even Lemieux. Coupled with the fact that its not that hard to look at two fighters and see who the bigger man is, Golovkin is a smallish middleweight.

[Pureist]

That's just down to common sense, not much of that around here though

[Pureist]

DLH made 147 for Pac, and was done before it even started. Both Ward and Bhop said they would fight Floyd at 160. GGG's offer extended to Pac too. Pac was heavier than Floyd last fight.....maybe he should fight GGG?

All nonsense talk. No one wants to see weight drained guys fight, but they will for enough $. Time to move on Pureist, and hope Berto beats Floyd.

If you remember husker pacquaio fought margarito at 154 and said he wouldn't fight at that weight again, I don't care about Berto and floyd fighting, it's not going to be competitive, I haven't mentioned fighting at 160 so that comment is irrelevant, why feel sorry for a fighter if he drains himself, that's their problem not yours, if he loses he has himself to blame, as a fan would you rather see Berto or GGG fight floyd and give me your reasons

[KBB]

If you remember husker pacquaio fought margarito at 154 and said he wouldn't fight at that weight again, I don't care about Berto and floyd fighting, it's not going to be competitive, I haven't mentioned fighting at 160 so that comment is irrelevant, why feel sorry for a fighter if he drains himself, that's their problem not yours, if he loses he has himself to blame, as a fan would you rather see Berto or GGG fight floyd and give me your reasons

You know damn well if GGG was to drop to 154 and lose to Floyd you'd be the first here talking about how Mayweather drained him.

[Pureist]

Find a thread where I've ever complained about a fighter being drained, you won't because as far as I'm concerned if you fight at a weight and it doesn't suit you, well that's your problem, I have issues with rehydration limits, if you make the weight on the day then you should be able to rehydrate to what you like, I also don't have an issue with catch weights, if you agree to them then the outcome is your own fault

[Badhusker]

DLH made 147 for Pac, and was done before it even started. Both Ward and Bhop said they would fight Floyd at 160. GGG's offer extended to Pac too. Pac was heavier than Floyd last fight.....maybe he should fight GGG?

All nonsense talk. No one wants to see weight drained guys fight, but they will for enough $. Time to move on Pureist, and hope Berto beats Floyd.

If you remember husker pacquaio fought margarito at 154 and said he wouldn't fight at that weight again, I don't care about Berto and floyd fighting, it's not going to be competitive, I haven't mentioned fighting at 160 so that comment is irrelevant, why feel sorry for a fighter if he drains himself, that's their problem not yours, if he loses he has himself to blame, as a fan would you rather see Berto or GGG fight floyd and give me your reasons

It was technically a 154lb fight, fought at 150 or 151 if I remember right. It was a gimme belt for two guys to compete for that were not even ranked at the weight. Still don't think much of Manny and Arum for publicly lobbying to get the cheater Margarito a license at the time.

I don't feel sorry for weight drained fighters, as they laugh all the way to the bank. Floyd is smart enough to know at almost 40, it would be foolish to take on a much bigger guy in his prime at a higher weight. GGG is a career middleweight, not a smaller guy that has move up 4 or 5 weights. He weighed in once at 158.5, four years ago. Since has never been lower than 159, and has been over 160 one fight. There is this illusion out there that if you weigh in a pound under, you make the weight easily. Not always the case. I believe he fought at 165 (middleweight) for a while in the amateurs too. He is 5'10 & 1/2". Floyd and Manny are both smaller, and probably more the size of 140lbers to be honest.

[Tanzio]

Your opinion of how he looks versus other MWs does not constitute evidence that he is a smallish MW.

He's the shortest in the boxrec top ten (not counting Cotto) and regularly weighs in well under the 160 limit. I don't think he's ever weighed over 161 like guys like Lee, Quillin, or even Lemieux. Coupled with the fact that its not that hard to look at two fighters and see who the bigger man is, Golovkin is a smallish middleweight.

He is not the shortest besides Cotto, but he did fight once under 159. I will concede your point that according to your parameters he could be considered a smallish MW.

The fact is that 3G has campaigned at MW his entire career. He is p4p number 1 at the weight. He has never fought at 154, let alone 152.

If he can easily make 154 he should go down there and campaign there, because I do think that going up to 168 would be very risky for him. There has been relatively small potatoes available for him at MW. Certainly going down to 154 and taking a belt would enhance his resume and bring bigger fights.

All of that considered, he should stay where he belongs at 160 and rule until he retires or gets knocked off.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize FMJ, for his choice of Berto, etc, but his decision not to meet 3G at 154 (whether or not the MW can make weight) is not one of them, especially at his age.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Much as I'd love to have seen Floyd v GGG, it's just not a realistic proposition. Floyd is fast approaching 40, and is probably 2 fights from retirement.

GGG is a naturally much bigger guy, much stronger physically and in his physical prime. Floyd would be insane to take the fight on. I think he could maybe pull out a win, but it's a huge risk, even at 154.

4-5 years ago, this could have been a proposition, but not now.

If he fights and beats Berto, I fully expect another shite rematch with Pacquaio - it seems almost inevitable, and the public's stupidity in buying into these things is legendary. I expect the 2nd fight to be even worse than the 1st.

[Pureist]

Your opinion of how he looks versus other MWs does not constitute evidence that he is a smallish MW.

He's the shortest in the boxrec top ten (not counting Cotto) and regularly weighs in well under the 160 limit. I don't think he's ever weighed over 161 like guys like Lee, Quillin, or even Lemieux. Coupled with the fact that its not that hard to look at two fighters and see who the bigger man is, Golovkin is a smallish middleweight.

He is not the shortest besides Cotto, but he did fight once under 159. I will concede your point that according to your parameters he could be considered a smallish MW.

The fact is that 3G has campaigned at MW his entire career. He is p4p number 1 at the weight. He has never fought at 154, let alone 152.

If he can easily make 154 he should go down there and campaign there, because I do think that going up to 168 would be very risky for him. There has been relatively small potatoes available for him at MW. Certainly going down to 154 and taking a belt would enhance his resume and bring bigger fights.

All of that considered, he should stay where he belongs at 160 and rule until he retires or gets knocked off.

There are plenty of reasons to criticize FMJ, for his choice of Berto, etc, but his decision not to meet 3G at 154 (whether or not the MW can make weight) is not one of them, especially at his age.

See, comments like yours are silly, "especially at his age",he is P4P#1 regardless of his age, why not fight at 154, he has 2 belts, there is no room for sentiment in pro boxing

[Tanzio]

Find a thread where I've ever complained about a fighter being drained, you won't because as far as I'm concerned if you fight at a weight and it doesn't suit you, well that's your problem, I have issues with rehydration limits, if you make the weight on the day then you should be able to rehydrate to what you like, I also don't have an issue with catch weights, if you agree to them then the outcome is your own fault

If the person agrees to rehydration limits on the contract, what makes that less the fighter's problem than catch weights?

I have a problem with any physical limitations outside of the weight class rules with regard to championship fights.