Pacquaio vs Crawford: Bob Arum in a nutshell

[caldo2025]

People keep referring to Hearns and SRL's legacy not be affected by the matches late in their career. Does anyone remember the beating that SRL took against Terry Norris? Has anyone watched a current Tommy Hearns interview? Tommy can barely put sentences together right now.

You can count on one hand the amount of boxing greats that went out with respect and dignity in their final acts. Though there's an argument just how great Froch really was, I have to admire the way he's stepped away recently. Time will tell if he'll get lured out by the almighty buck but that's the way it should be, going out after a significant victory instead of a string of embarrassing losses. I hope Floyd is another one. No one would have gone out more on top than Money if he called it quits at 49-0.

Roach is the only one that could stop something like this from happening and I really hope that we never see Manny with a different guy in his corner down the stretch. All that it takes is a couple beat downs in that ring when your aged and slow to do life long damage.

[Badhusker]

People keep referring to Hearns and SRL's legacy not be affected by the matches late in their career. Does anyone remember the beating that SRL took against Terry Norris? Has anyone watched a current Tommy Hearns interview? Tommy can barely put sentences together right now.

You can count on one hand the amount of boxing greats that went out with respect and dignity in their final acts. Though there's an argument just how great Froch really was, I have to admire the way he's stepped away recently. Time will tell if he'll get lured out by the almighty buck but that's the way it should be, going out after a significant victory instead of a string of embarrassing losses. I hope Floyd is another one. No one would have gone out more on top than Money if he called it quits at 49-0.

Roach is the only one that could stop something like this from happening and I really hope that we never see Manny with a different guy in his corner down the stretch. All that it takes is a couple beat downs in that ring when your aged and slow to do life long damage.

Face it, most boxers stay in the game too long. How they age in the ring varies a lot. SRL was shot at 34. Manny and Floyd have kept atop of the elites longer than most have. I don't pray for humiliating defeats of either like you do for Floyd, or want to protect and feel sorry for Manny like you do. They have to use their own brains and quit when it is best for them. If they aren't smart enough to get out when they should, that is their own fault.

[jamesmcdonnell]

People keep referring to Hearns and SRL's legacy not be affected by the matches late in their career. Does anyone remember the beating that SRL took against Terry Norris? Has anyone watched a current Tommy Hearns interview? Tommy can barely put sentences together right now.

You can count on one hand the amount of boxing greats that went out with respect and dignity in their final acts. Though there's an argument just how great Froch really was, I have to admire the way he's stepped away recently. Time will tell if he'll get lured out by the almighty buck but that's the way it should be, going out after a significant victory instead of a string of embarrassing losses. I hope Floyd is another one. No one would have gone out more on top than Money if he called it quits at 49-0.

Roach is the only one that could stop something like this from happening and I really hope that we never see Manny with a different guy in his corner down the stretch. All that it takes is a couple beat downs in that ring when your aged and slow to do life long damage.

Luckily for Manny, he has the complete adulation of the population of the Philippines, to replace the loss of boxing - I think he will be able to walk away into his political career, much as Vitali did.

I have a feeling Froch is one of the rarities, like Lennox, that once his mind is made up, will stick to his guns.

Floyd I can see fighting on too long - all this 'The best ever' nonsense suggests to me someone with a paper-thin ego, who will find it extremely difficult to walk away from boxing. He also isn't very well liked either, which won't help.

[Counter-puncher]

I have a feeling Froch is one of the rarities, like Lennox, that once his mind is made up, will stick to his guns.
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yes. Calzaghe, too....

[jamesmcdonnell]

I have a feeling Froch is one of the rarities, like Lennox, that once his mind is made up, will stick to his guns.
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yes. Calzaghe, too....

Yes, I think in Calzaghe's case, the '0' made it easy for him to talk away, perhaps it will have an influence on Floyd too.

[caldo2025]

I don't pray for humiliating defeats of either like you do for Floyd, or want to protect and feel sorry for Manny like you do. They have to use their own brains and quit when it is best for them. If they aren't smart enough to get out when they should, that is their own fault.

I don't want to see Floyd get humiliated or beat up now. He's weathered that storm and any kind of beating he takes at this age and stage is just garbage time anyway that it wouldn't even count in my mind. The LAST thing that I would want is for some young gun take Floyd down at 40 years old. As much as I've disliked Floyd recently, he deserves to retire with that 0. No ones come remotely close to humiliating Floyd and he deserves to be considered an all time great regardless of how I feel about him as a person or his career choices in Boxing.

Don't get me wrong, I would have LOVED it if Manny demolished Floyd but that was the last of Floyd's battles that will ever mean much to me. Anything that happens from here on out won't tarnish his excellence IMO.

[Tanzio]

People keep referring to Hearns and SRL's legacy not be affected by the matches late in their career. Does anyone remember the beating that SRL took against Terry Norris? Has anyone watched a current Tommy Hearns interview? Tommy can barely put sentences together right now.

You can count on one hand the amount of boxing greats that went out with respect and dignity in their final acts. Though there's an argument just how great Froch really was, I have to admire the way he's stepped away recently. Time will tell if he'll get lured out by the almighty buck but that's the way it should be, going out after a significant victory instead of a string of embarrassing losses. I hope Floyd is another one. No one would have gone out more on top than Money if he called it quits at 49-0.

Roach is the only one that could stop something like this from happening and I really hope that we never see Manny with a different guy in his corner down the stretch. All that it takes is a couple beat downs in that ring when your aged and slow to do life long damage.

Going out in a farcical dance exhibition is not going out with respect. Going out facing your buddies while charging the public for it is showing a total lack of respect for the sport and the fans.

I'm not wishing a life threatening beat down on anyone. But masquerading as p4p while producing farces with your lovers, buddies, and no hopers is despicable.

Pac would have a legitimate opportunity to defeat Crawford. Terence would have the opportunity to become a ppv star win , lose or draw.

But, he risks getting beat down by an ATG, heaven forbid!

The only way this sh!t makes sense is if you want boxing banned or reduced to the level of Olympic slapping.

[koolkc107]

The OP may have a point.

But, I am not sure Bud can beat Pac.

I love Crawford and think his time is coming. But, even a diminished Manny is going to get to him quite often.

It wou be a horrible move on Arum's pary, IMO.

He'll wind up with his best chance at a future marquee guy taking perhaps a career ruining beating.

This post illustrates in detail what is wrong with boxing these days.

"A horrible move on Arum's part?" Do you wear panty hose?

Crawford v Pac would be great for Terence, Arum, Pac and the fans. Even if Crawford lost by getting Ktfo (very highly unlikely) he would become an instant top level star. If he won he would immediately be a ppv fixture.

I suppose that Tommy Hearns should have avoided SRL and Hagler? Those losses just decimated his career, right?

WRONG!!

Those losses cemented The Hitman's place in boxing lore.

Ali probably shouldn't have faced Liston so early in his career, by your line of thinking. He definitely shouldn't have participated in possibly the greatest fight in boxing history so soon after coming back, right? Heaven knows he could have had his head taken off by Big George in Zaire, right?

WRONG!!! All wrong.

Those are the fights that made him The Greatest, even though he lost one of them.

Your thinking is utterly backassward, just like the sport itself for the most part these days.

For omnipotent being's sake, someone is going to lose in Cotto v GingerHead, 3G v LeMieux, and LSC v Mares.

Meanwhile everyone loses in Ward v Periban, Wilder v Duhaupus and FMJ v His Buddy.

Why does boxing exist at all? Someone might lose, heaven forbid.

Sorry, if I make a little too much sense with this.

I am a fan, I would love to see Pac and Bud tilt.

But, also as a fan, I want the best for two fighters I like and respect.

For Manny, Crawford is a no win proposition. No money to be made, and very little glory to be gained. Ask yourself this: is Crawford better at this point of his career than Timothy Bradley was the times Manny met him? And is he as well regarded? I think the answers to what a Crawford fight will mean to Pac can be found in questions like this.

As for Terrance, it is a challenge I am sure he wants but one I am not so sure he's ready for. Does Crawford survive the 4th round Mayweather did? This is, after all, someone who was very hurt by a lightweight (Gamboa) whose power is not anywhere near Manny's level. Not known for his defensive powerful, how well can we expect a man who will not have even ever fought at 147-and only 2 fights in at 140- to do against an ATG welter with enough left to have dominated 2 tough contenders, beat a future HOFer, and whose one loss recently is to the best boxer in the world?

I am as against the current climate of coddling and avoidance permeating the sport as you are. But, in some instances, it makes sense.

Crawford is not ready for Pac and Pac has little to gain beating Terrance. Just not a fight that makes sense right now, perhaps wont ever.

[Tanzio]

The OP may have a point.

But, I am not sure Bud can beat Pac.

I love Crawford and think his time is coming. But, even a diminished Manny is going to get to him quite often.

It wou be a horrible move on Arum's pary, IMO.

He'll wind up with his best chance at a future marquee guy taking perhaps a career ruining beating.

This post illustrates in detail what is wrong with boxing these days.

"A horrible move on Arum's part?" Do you wear panty hose?

Crawford v Pac would be great for Terence, Arum, Pac and the fans. Even if Crawford lost by getting Ktfo (very highly unlikely) he would become an instant top level star. If he won he would immediately be a ppv fixture.

I suppose that Tommy Hearns should have avoided SRL and Hagler? Those losses just decimated his career, right?

WRONG!!

Those losses cemented The Hitman's place in boxing lore.

Ali probably shouldn't have faced Liston so early in his career, by your line of thinking. He definitely shouldn't have participated in possibly the greatest fight in boxing history so soon after coming back, right? Heaven knows he could have had his head taken off by Big George in Zaire, right?

WRONG!!! All wrong.

Those are the fights that made him The Greatest, even though he lost one of them.

Your thinking is utterly backassward, just like the sport itself for the most part these days.

For omnipotent being's sake, someone is going to lose in Cotto v GingerHead, 3G v LeMieux, and LSC v Mares.

Meanwhile everyone loses in Ward v Periban, Wilder v Duhaupus and FMJ v His Buddy.

Why does boxing exist at all? Someone might lose, heaven forbid.

Sorry, if I make a little too much sense with this.

I am a fan, I would love to see Pac and Bud tilt.

But, also as a fan, I want the best for two fighters I like and respect.

For Manny, Crawford is a no win proposition. No money to be made, and very little glory to be gained. Ask yourself this: is Crawford better at this point of his career than Timothy Bradley was the times Manny met him? And is he as well regarded? I think the answers to what a Crawford fight will mean to Pac can be found in questions like this.

As for Terrance, it is a challenge I am sure he wants but one I am not so sure he's ready for. Does Crawford survive the 4th round Mayweather did? This is, after all, someone who was very hurt by a lightweight (Gamboa) whose power is not anywhere near Manny's level. Not known for his defensive powerful, how well can we expect a man who will not have even ever fought at 147-and only 2 fights in at 140- to do against an ATG welter with enough left to have dominated 2 tough contenders, beat a future HOFer, and whose one loss recently is to the best boxer in the world?

I am as against the current climate of coddling and avoidance permeating the sport as you are. But, in some instances, it makes sense.

Crawford is not ready for Pac and Pac has little to gain beating Terrance. Just not a fight that makes sense right now, perhaps wont ever.

Fair enough.

I disagree, nearly 100%.

[koolkc107]

No problem with you disagreeing. Too many fights that should happen, don't.

I just don't think this is one of those instances. I think this is more a matter of Arum doing what HE wants, not an example of a promoter bending to the will of some great fan demand...

[crusader]

So Crawford is fighting Dierry Jean next.....pretty uninspiring fight in my opinion. Crawford is a very good fighter and hopefully someone better is next; I'd love to see him against the Lucas-Postal winner.

[Cent0089]

Interresting how many people favorizing Crawford over Manny. IMO he is simply too much for Terrence

[Tanzio]

So Crawford is fighting Dierry Jean next.....pretty uninspiring fight in my opinion. Crawford is a very good fighter and hopefully someone better is next; I'd love to see him against the Lucas-Postal winner.

Thank goodness! Now Pac is safe from being beat down by a young shark!

[IKSRTFO]

So Crawford is fighting Dierry Jean next.....pretty uninspiring fight in my opinion. Crawford is a very good fighter and hopefully someone better is next; I'd love to see him against the Lucas-Postal winner.

Thank goodness! Now Pac is safe from being beat down by a young shark!

And now Floyd is safe from someone putting his sweet victory to shame and have everyone calling for Mayweather vs Crawford.

[koolkc107]

So Crawford is fighting Dierry Jean next.....pretty uninspiring fight in my opinion. Crawford is a very good fighter and hopefully someone better is next; I'd love to see him against the Lucas-Postal winner.

Thank goodness! Now Pac is safe from being beat down by a young shark!

And now Floyd is safe from someone putting his sweet victory to shame and have everyone calling for Mayweather vs Crawford.

That just doesn't make any sense.

They may make the fight anyway. And whatever happens, it likely won't have anything to do with what happened May of this year.

JMM KOed Pac in 2013, but some folks thought it was a lucky shot and that Juan would have eventually lost.

Don't hear anyone saying "look how easily Floyd toyed with Manny, that proves JMM's punch was a fluke!"

And I don't hear that because it isn't true...and neither will it be it Crawford happens to upset Manny (which I highly doubt anyway).

[KBB]

I don't pray for humiliating defeats of either like you do for Floyd, or want to protect and feel sorry for Manny like you do. They have to use their own brains and quit when it is best for them. If they aren't smart enough to get out when they should, that is their own fault.

I don't want to see Floyd get humiliated or beat up now. He's weathered that storm and any kind of beating he takes at this age and stage is just garbage time anyway that it wouldn't even count in my mind. The LAST thing that I would want is for some young gun take Floyd down at 40 years old. As much as I've disliked Floyd recently, he deserves to retire with that 0. No ones come remotely close to humiliating Floyd and he deserves to be considered an all time great regardless of how I feel about him as a person or his career choices in Boxing.

Don't get me wrong, I would have LOVED it if Manny demolished Floyd but that was the last of Floyd's battles that will ever mean much to me. Anything that happens from here on out won't tarnish his excellence IMO.

I raise the BS flag on your rant in bold because everything that you've stated here clearly indicates that you hate Mayweather and would love nothing more than for him to be beaten badly and KO'd so you should just stop faking.

I think the reason why you are so hurt and hate Floyd so much is because he beat Manny too easily and you didn't get a chance to see the fight being even remotely close.

It's up to each individual fighter to decide whether he wants to walk away from the game, Manny could've retired a long time ago and claimed a moral victory over Floyd without facing him because many people were and are still grossly under the misconception that it was Mayweather's fault the fight didn't happen sooner, even though the facts have already proven otherwise.

With all that said, I wouldn't mind seeing Manny taking a beating and KO'd badly again before he retires because some people give him too many passes, at least I can be honest about how i feel and not hide behind some fake statement.

[caldo2025]

I think the reason why you are so hurt and hate Floyd so much is because he beat Manny too easily and you didn't get a chance to see the fight being even remotely close.

It's up to each individual fighter to decide whether he wants to walk away from the game, Manny could've retired a long time ago and claimed a moral victory over Floyd without facing him because many people were and are still grossly under the misconception that it was Mayweather's fault the fight didn't happen sooner, even though the facts have already proven otherwise.

With all that said, I wouldn't mind seeing Manny taking a beating and KO'd badly again before he retires because some people give him too many passes, at least I can be honest about how i feel and not hide behind some fake statement.

Of course you wouldn't mind seeing a boxing great get humiliated because you're a horrible person. You argue like your hero boxes, right when it gets heated you run and your boring with the same old bit. Yeah, let's talk about the blood test from 5 years ago and talk about why the fight didn't happen. That would be awesome, KBB. Can we? You can throw out the same old circumstantial BS that you always have calling it a fact when you have no idea. No one but Floyd and Manny know why the fight didn't happen so the discussion is frivolous.

And it's true, I don't want to see someone like Thurman thump Floyd right now and beat his chest like he did something great. Floyd's almost 40 years old for goodness sake. I don't want to see any great boxer end his career with a beat down from some undeserving punk that couldn't touch these guys in their prime. Terry Norris beating the hell out of SRL was the toughest fight I've ever had to watch. I shut it off after the first knockdown and i'll never watch a clip from it.

Floyd never got humiliated when it counted and when I wanted to see it, I can admit that and accept it. The window is closed on that and it's not something I want to see. I wish the guy didn't even take the fight with Berto and just ended it. Any time a 40 year old guy gets in the ring with a young hungry fighter with nothing to lose is a bad move. I don't care how bad Berto may appear to be. This fight could be bad news for Floyd. Definitely a trap fight from every angle.

I'm fan of boxing first and foremost and you don't know a thing about that so stop assuming you know things you don't for a change.

[KBB]

Of course you wouldn't mind seeing a boxing great get humiliated because you're a horrible person. You argue like your hero boxes, right when it gets heated you run and your boring with the same old bit. Yeah, let's talk about the blood test from 5 years ago and talk about why the fight didn't happen. That would be awesome, KBB. Can we? You can throw out the same old circumstantial BS that you always have calling it a fact when you have no idea. No one but Floyd and Manny know why the fight didn't happen so the discussion is frivolous.

And it's true, I don't want to see someone like Thurman thump Floyd right now and beat his chest like he did something great. Floyd's almost 40 years old for goodness sake. I don't want to see any great boxer end his career with a beat down from some undeserving punk that couldn't touch these guys in their prime. Terry Norris beating the hell out of SRL was the toughest fight I've ever had to watch. I shut it off after the first knockdown and i'll never watch a clip from it.

Floyd never got humiliated when it counted and when I wanted to see it, I can admit that and accept it. The window is closed on that and it's not something I want to see. I wish the guy didn't even take the fight with Berto and just ended it. Any time a 40 year old guy gets in the ring with a young hungry fighter with nothing to lose is a bad move. I don't care how bad Berto may appear to be. This fight could be bad news for Floyd. Definitely a trap fight from every angle.

I'm fan of boxing first and foremost and you don't know a thing about that so stop assuming you know things you don't for a change.

LOL that it makes me a horrible person for wanting to see someone get KO'd when your hypocrite self wanted to see MP KO Floyd<<<(please lie and say you didn't).

If I argue like Floyd boxes then I'm undefeated and the best at it. We can talk about the blood tests and how and why the fight didn't happen, the facts are already out there:

FACTS>>>>> http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--fl ... fight.html


I enjoyed getting my money's worth seeing Norris destroy SRL, I thought it was a befitting end for a king who rather go out on his shield than simply quit and I watched the entire thing many times because I'm a real boxing fan.

I'm a fan of boxing first and foremost and you don't know a thing about that so stop ASSuming you know things you don't for a change.

[Evander]

Big step up for Crawford.

Crawford is younger. Less wear and tear. Boxing Lifetime's are short. And Pacquiao is past his.

Yeah a bit of truth to that, nevertheless I'd be hard pressed to take Crawford over Pacquiao.

[Badhusker]

caldo...

Would you chastise Floyd's team if they were contemplating about putting him against Crawford? Would you say that someone needs to step in and stop this nonsense before Floyd gets embarrassed, beat down, and are afraid for his health? Aren't you one that has been clamoring for Floyd vs GGG , even though Floyd is 2 years older than Manny and basically the same size?

[KBB]

caldo...

Would you chastise Floyd's team if they were contemplating about putting him against Crawford? Would you say that someone needs to step in and stop this nonsense before Floyd gets embarrassed, beat down, and are afraid for his health? Aren't you one that has been clamoring for Floyd vs GGG , even though Floyd is 2 years older than Manny and basically the same size?

He's also been on many recent rants about Floyd in damn near every post, obviously this is one of Ricky's many accounts. You can tell by the way he says certain things that he is Ricky but then again Ricky has so many other accounts on this forum that often times we are all addressing all of his alter egos and split personalities without rarely giving it a second thought.

[caldo2025]

caldo...

Would you chastise Floyd's team if they were contemplating about putting him against Crawford? Would you say that someone needs to step in and stop this nonsense before Floyd gets embarrassed, beat down, and are afraid for his health? Aren't you one that has been clamoring for Floyd vs GGG , even though Floyd is 2 years older than Manny and basically the same size?

He's also been on many recent rants about Floyd in damn near every post, obviously this is one of Ricky's many accounts. You can tell by the way he says certain things that he is Ricky but then again Ricky has so many other accounts on this forum that often times we are all addressing all of his alter egos and split personalities without rarely giving it a second thought.

No idea who Ricky is but if he's another guy that hands KBB his lunch regularly on this site then sure, call us the same people if that helps you. You are mixing up the equation now. The whole point was that Bob Arum was using Manny to build up Crawford's name. You two Jamokes can't get into a neutral conversation without plugging your lover's name into it. Who the heck is saying anything about Floyd? You two can't have a discussion without mentioning Floyd and his dancing skills? I bet you call out Floyd's name in bed by accident. Be honest, it's happened before and causes problems with you and your girls? I bet it happens in your regular daily life too.

"Hi KBB, how was your weekend?"
"Floyd's the best, Manny didn't want to take the test!"
"Ok, umm...did you have fun this weekend?"
"Floyd has 37 cars"
"Ok...and who's Floyd"
"Oh, only the best person in the whole wide world".
"Ok, take care KBB"
"TBE"
"Yup, OK, take care KBB"

[Badhusker]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

[caldo2025]

I asked a simple question. You want Floyd to move up and face GGG, but don't want Crawford to move u up to face Manny, because you want him protected and nurtured. Crawford only has one fight at 140.

Maybe it's just me, but I see a little bit of hypocrisy in that.

I have never wasted a second thinking about GGG vs Floyd because it's the most far fetched fight you could imagine. Why even waste time? Floyd in his prime would never take the fight with this monster so why would i think he'd take the fight at 40? GGG's the P4P #1 right now and anyone that still have Floyd at the top of that imaginary list is an idiot.

GGG's the baddest man on the planet right now, plain and simple. Boxing hasn't seen a talent like this for...maybe ever. So you and KBB can continue with your GGG stinks campaign because you both know the truth. GGG's surpassed your boy.

[caldo2025]

It just amazes me how KBB and Badhusker can't make a point without talking about Floyd. They just inject Floyd into every conversation like he's still relevant or something. Get over it boys. Come up with a new hero and lover. There's a bunch of talent out there that you can direct your man love to. This Floyd bit is beyond old. It's just boring at this point.