WBC & VADA to begin testing program starting with Matthysse-Postol

[Redback Rasta]

The WBC has begun a drug awareness and testing program with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) beginning with the Lucas Matthysse-Viktor Postol fight on Oct. 3.

The new venture between the sanctioning body and testing agency is called the “WBC Clean Boxing Program,” according to a WBC press release that was sent out (in English and Spanish) to boxing media on Sunday.

Both Matthysse and Postol, who will fight for the WBC’s vacant 140-pound title, have volunteered to be a part of the new program.

The program is divided into three primary objectives:

-An awareness program to educate boxers on the dangers of illegal substances through tutorials, webinars, forums, materials , etc….

-Out of competition random testing

-Voluntary enrollment by fighters

The WBC and VADA will continuously report the progress of the venture, according to the press release.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3974 ... sse-postol

Can only be seen as a positive for the sport

[Perseus]

The WBC has begun a drug awareness and testing program with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) beginning with the Lucas Matthysse-Viktor Postol fight on Oct. 3.

The new venture between the sanctioning body and testing agency is called the “WBC Clean Boxing Program,” according to a WBC press release that was sent out (in English and Spanish) to boxing media on Sunday.

Both Matthysse and Postol, who will fight for the WBC’s vacant 140-pound title, have volunteered to be a part of the new program.

The program is divided into three primary objectives:

-An awareness program to educate boxers on the dangers of illegal substances through tutorials, webinars, forums, materials , etc….

-Out of competition random testing

-Voluntary enrollment by fighters

The WBC and VADA will continuously report the progress of the venture, according to the press release.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3974 ... sse-postol

Can only be seen as a positive for the sport

So are they being PAID when they are out of competition?

A large number of substances on most banned lists are contained in products that can be bought right at your local grocery store and are perfectly legal.
If the boxers are not being paid to stay away from perfectly legal products while OUT of competition then there is nothing positive about this.
Especially considering the two organizations involved.

[Redback Rasta]

The WBC has begun a drug awareness and testing program with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) beginning with the Lucas Matthysse-Viktor Postol fight on Oct. 3.

The new venture between the sanctioning body and testing agency is called the “WBC Clean Boxing Program,” according to a WBC press release that was sent out (in English and Spanish) to boxing media on Sunday.

Both Matthysse and Postol, who will fight for the WBC’s vacant 140-pound title, have volunteered to be a part of the new program.

The program is divided into three primary objectives:

-An awareness program to educate boxers on the dangers of illegal substances through tutorials, webinars, forums, materials , etc….

-Out of competition random testing

-Voluntary enrollment by fighters

The WBC and VADA will continuously report the progress of the venture, according to the press release.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3974 ... sse-postol

Can only be seen as a positive for the sport

So are they being PAID when they are out of competition?

A large number of substances on most banned lists are contained in products that can be bought right at your local grocery store and are perfectly legal.
If the boxers are not being paid to stay away from perfectly legal products while OUT of competition then there is nothing positive about this.

You think boxers need to be paid to stay away from drugs on the banned list?

[punchoutsb]

More hoops, but at least it's voluntary.

Too bad the "education" they receive will be one sided propaganda.

[Perseus]

The WBC has begun a drug awareness and testing program with the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association (VADA) beginning with the Lucas Matthysse-Viktor Postol fight on Oct. 3.

The new venture between the sanctioning body and testing agency is called the “WBC Clean Boxing Program,” according to a WBC press release that was sent out (in English and Spanish) to boxing media on Sunday.

Both Matthysse and Postol, who will fight for the WBC’s vacant 140-pound title, have volunteered to be a part of the new program.

The program is divided into three primary objectives:

-An awareness program to educate boxers on the dangers of illegal substances through tutorials, webinars, forums, materials , etc….

-Out of competition random testing

-Voluntary enrollment by fighters

The WBC and VADA will continuously report the progress of the venture, according to the press release.

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3974 ... sse-postol

Can only be seen as a positive for the sport

So are they being PAID when they are out of competition?

A large number of substances on most banned lists are contained in products that can be bought right at your local grocery store and are perfectly legal.
If the boxers are not being paid to stay away from perfectly legal products while OUT of competition then there is nothing positive about this.

You think boxers need to be paid to stay away from drugs on the banned list?

When they are not in competition?

YES.
PERIOD.

It's not uncommon for boxers to go 6 months or longer without a fight or even any mention of an upcoming fight.
There is no reason for them to stay away from such evil things as cough medicines and nasal sprays during that time unless they are being paid for it.

Once a contract is signed?
Fair game after that.

[Redback Rasta]

More hoops, but at least it's voluntary.

Too bad the "education" they receive will be one sided propaganda.

How so? Discouraging them from taking drugs you mean?

[Redback Rasta]

So are they being PAID when they are out of competition?

A large number of substances on most banned lists are contained in products that can be bought right at your local grocery store and are perfectly legal.
If the boxers are not being paid to stay away from perfectly legal products while OUT of competition then there is nothing positive about this.

You think boxers need to be paid to stay away from drugs on the banned list?

When they are not in competition?

YES.
PERIOD.

It's not uncommon for boxers to go 6 months or longer without a fight or even any mention of an upcoming fight.
There is no reason for them to stay away from such evil things as cough medicines and nasal sprays during that time unless they are being paid for it.

Once a contract is signed?
Fair game after that.

If you are a professional sports person you don't always get a weekly pay check. Track and field athletes don't get weekly pay checks. They get paid when they compete and they have had random drug tests as part of their lives for years. Same as swimmers. In Australia our footballers also get random drug tests, both in season and out of season.

[punchoutsb]

More hoops, but at least it's voluntary.

Too bad the "education" they receive will be one sided propaganda.

How so? Discouraging them from taking drugs you mean?

PED's are illegal, that should be the only education needed.

The real education should take place amongst the governing bodies so that PED's are made legal in sports and "real life".

[Redback Rasta]

More hoops, but at least it's voluntary.

Too bad the "education" they receive will be one sided propaganda.

How so? Discouraging them from taking drugs you mean?

PED's are illegal, that should be the only education needed.

The real education should take place amongst the governing bodies so that PED's are made legal in sports and "real life".

So you think PEDs should be legalized for professional sports people?

[Perseus]

I don't care what they do in other sports.
I would hope they at least have respectable, trustworthy organizations doing their testing though. WBC and VADA don't fall into the respectable or trustworthy organization category.

Regardless of that not so small issue,.............if the boxer doesn't have a current contract to fight then he/she shouldn't be subject to random tests without being paid to submit to those tests.

[Redback Rasta]

I don't care what they do in other sports.
I would hope they at least have respectable, trustworthy organizations doing their testing though. WBC and VADA don't fall into the respectable or trustworthy organization category.

Regardless of that not so small issue,.............if the boxer doesn't have a current contract to fight then he/she shouldn't be subject to random tests without being paid to submit to those tests.

Why do you think PEDs should be legalised?

Can you imagine what uncontrolled PED consumption by athletes only intent on winning would do to their bodies, their lives and their families?

Does the name Florence Griffith Joiner (Flo Jo) ring any bells with you? Had a body too good to be true. Won a pile of Olympic gold medals? Price she paid was she was dead before she reached 40.

How about Chris Benoit? The wrestler who killed his wife and son? He ring any bells?

[Perseus]

I don't care what they do in other sports.
I would hope they at least have respectable, trustworthy organizations doing their testing though. WBC and VADA don't fall into the respectable or trustworthy organization category.

Regardless of that not so small issue,.............if the boxer doesn't have a current contract to fight then he/she shouldn't be subject to random tests without being paid to submit to those tests.

Why do you think PEDs should be legalised?

Can you imagine what uncontrolled PED consumption by athletes only intent on winning would do to their bodies, their lives and their families?

Does the name Florence Griffith Joiner (Flo Jo) ring any bells with you? Had a body too good to be true. Won a pile of Olympic gold medals? Price she paid was she was dead before she reached 40.

How about Chris Benoit? The wrestler who killed his wife and son? He ring any bells?

What made you believe I think they should be legal?
Not all PED's on the banned lists are illegal substances to begin with.

The banned lists need to be reduced not eliminated.
ALL........not just a few as is currently the case................ALL banned substances that can be obtained at any random grocery store/pharmacy need to have tolerances specified. Anything above a certain number means is a bust but a mere "trace" presence has no consequence.
Drug testing agencies need to actually recognize prescriptions vs just declaring doctors to be corrupt, drug-dealers every time an athlete actually has a prescription.

Until the day all three of those things happen athletes who are OUT of competition should be compensated for submitting drug tests.

[Redback Rasta]

What made you believe I think they should be legal?

My apologies. It was posted by the other poster with a name beginning with P. See post by punchoutsb above

[Redback Rasta]

Not all PED's on the banned lists are illegal substances to begin with.

The banned lists need to be reduced not eliminated.
ALL........not just a few as is currently the case................ALL banned substances that can be obtained at any random grocery store/pharmacy need to have tolerances specified. Anything above a certain number means is a bust but a mere "trace" presence has no consequence.
Drug testing agencies need to actually recognize prescriptions vs just declaring doctors to be corrupt, drug-dealers every time an athlete actually has a prescription.

Until the day all three of those things happen athletes who are OUT of competition should be compensated for submitting drug tests.

I see your argument there, and I can tell you footballers here in Australia are particularly careful with what they take. Their team doctors work very closely with them on that and if they are in any doubt whatsoever they ring the team doctor and ask prior to purchasing or consuming.

[Redback Rasta]

More hoops, but at least it's voluntary.

Too bad the "education" they receive will be one sided propaganda.

How so? Discouraging them from taking drugs you mean?

PED's are illegal, that should be the only education needed.

The real education should take place amongst the governing bodies so that PED's are made legal in sports and "real life".

Why do you think PEDs should be legalised?

Can you imagine what uncontrolled PED consumption by athletes only intent on winning would do to their bodies, their lives and their families?

Does the name Florence Griffith Joiner (Flo Jo) ring any bells with you? Had a body too good to be true. Won a pile of Olympic gold medals? Price she paid was she was dead before she reached 40.

How about Chris Benoit? The wrestler who killed his wife and son? He ring any bells?

[diddy]

This won't change a damn thing. It's too damn expensive to use VADA often which his why it basically it never happens! This is pointless. What's really gonna change when they use VADA 1 out of every 40 fights?

I hope LMM is clean. I am not certain that he is. But then again I say that about 98% of fighters at the top level. We will find out. Or he will fight like crap. One way or another we will get our answer.

[Boxing Prospect]

Re Chris Benoit-That was brain damage, don't try and turn that tragedy into a PED issue when the general view seem a to be that his brain was fried from the chronic trauma of repeated concussions.

[punchoutsb]

So you think PEDs should be legalized for professional sports people?

Yes.

Why do you think PEDs should be legalised?

Because PED is a broad spectrum. We ask more of our athletes today than ever before, and expect more of them. Why should they not have access to all the latest advancements? As for legality in "real life", any adult should have the right to consume PED's if it is their choice. Most are "self improvement" drugs anyway that have no ill effect on anyone but the abuser (note I did not say educated user). Cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, and junk food are all FAR more dangerous than steroids.

Can you imagine what uncontrolled PED consumption by athletes only intent on winning would do to their bodies, their lives and their families?

I didn't say uncontrolled, I said legalized. If we are REALLY concerned with the bodies and lives of athletes the best thing we could do is ban high level sports. A level athletics is not a healthy, long lived pursuit.

Does the name Florence Griffith Joiner (Flo Jo) ring any bells with you? Had a body too good to be true. Won a pile of Olympic gold medals? Price she paid was she was dead before she reached 40.

Steroid use is not linked to seizures, nor is it linked to brain cancer before you use Lyle Alzado as another "example". You've been misinformed in the same way these athletes will be when they are "educated" that PED use is what caused the bubonic plague and someone with roid rage shot JFK.

How about Chris Benoit? The wrestler who killed his wife and son? He ring any bells?

Yes, and I've also heard of Charles Manson. Steroids had about as much to do with his murders as Chris Benoits. Don't let CNN give you your education on PED's. They don't know jack.

[Redback Rasta]

[sucracristo]

I didn't say uncontrolled, I said legalized.

they're legal with a presciption in the united states right now, and probably in many
countries without a prescription. maybe for sports we should use "against the rules"
or some term other than illegal. i also don't see how most PED's actually enhance
performance. boxers get caught for trace amounts of marijuana all the time, which
is legal in some states and many countries, and is in no way a performance enhancer,
and they get decisions turned to no contest and money taken away. this is ridiculous.
i'm not telling people to smoke pot, or take over the counter diet pills or cold medications,
but i really couldn't give a crap about vada or wada tests for that stuff and would like
to see those control freaks banned from the sport for life. if i was a follower of aussie rules
football i would probably feel the same way about testing in that sport. i couldn't care less
about most olympic sports but taking medals from those people for trace amounts of
over the counter or at most misdemeanor substances is idiotic.

[Evander]

If the purpose of testing for drugs is to make sure no boxer has an advantage over an other then it's absolutely pointless.
If the weigh in is on a Friday and the fight is on a Saturday for one thing the boxers aren't even boxing at the weight they weighed in at.
Secondly almost every weigh in on the unofficial scales I've ever seen has one boxer with a weight advantage over the other with neither boxing at the weight limit.
What's the point.

[punchoutsb]

Just about the response I expected

[Redback Rasta]

Just about the response I expected

As is yours

[sucracristo]

If the purpose of testing for drugs is to make sure no boxer has an advantage over an other then it's absolutely pointless.
If the weigh in is on a Friday and the fight is on a Saturday for one thing the boxers aren't even boxing at the weight they weighed in at.
Secondly almost every weigh in on the unofficial scales I've ever seen has one boxer with a weight advantage over the other with neither boxing at the weight limit.
What's the point.

in a lot of places they have a weigh in the day before and another the day of,
with the prior day weigh in confirming the weight division and the day of weigh in
making sure there isn't a huge rehydrating disparity.

[Boxing Prospect]

The ibf have a same day weigh in rule.