HOF Expectations for Current and Recently Retired Fighters

[JCS]

I last updated this list in Late 2014. Outside of what's in the brackets, it remains untouched since then.

I posted at least a couple iterations of this and was surprised Bowe was never suggested. He was inducted this year.

What do you guys think? Who should be moved, etc?

One name that jumps out at me is Jhonny Gonzalez... he may be worth a bump up into the "Maybe" category.

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List is only for Current boxers or recently retired (2000+):



Note: All lists EXCEPT for the "Not Yet" list as it applies for fighters still fighting, factor in only previous achievements (aka: no projections) and is (as if they voluntarily retired today).


Last Updated: Late 2014

Locks
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Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Roy Jones Jr.
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Manny Pacquiao
Evander Holyfield
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
James Toney
Wladimir Klitschko
Miguel Cotto


Probable
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Hector Camacho Sr.
Naseem Hamed [INDUCTED in 2015]
Israel Vazquez
Rafael Marquez
Ricky Hatton
Jorge Arce
Winky Wright
Ivan Calderon
Pongsaklek Wonjongkam
Johnny Tapia
Vitali Klitschko
Roman Gonzalez [UPGRADED from Maybe]
Sergio Martinez [UPGRADED from Maybe]

Maybe
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Michael Nunn
Vernon Forrest
Joel Casamayor
Jose Luis Castillo
Wilfredo Vazquez Sr
Nonito Donaire
Diego Corrales
Fernando Montiel
Tomasz Adamek
Paul Williams
Tim Bradley
Omar Narvaez
Carl Froch [ADDED]
Andre Ward [UPGRADED from the Not Yet...]


Not yet... but (Speculative - In or past their 7th pro year / have enough quality years left with a good chance to get in the above lists.)
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Brian Viloria
Anselmo Moreno
Abner Mares
Mikey Garcia
Danny Garcia
Gennady Golovkin
Jhonny Gonzalez
Saul Alvarez
Leo Santa Cruz
Robert Guerrero


Worth a Mention, But Probably Not
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Chris John [DOWNGRADED from the Not yet...]
Felix Sturm [DOWNGRADED from the Not yet...]
Hugo Cazares [DOWNGRADED from the Not yet...]
Vic Darchinyan [DOWNGRADED from the Not yet...]
Terence Crawford [ADDED]
Acelino Freitas
Veeraphol Sahaprom
Dariusz Michalczewski
Zab Judah
Mikkel Kessler
Jermain Taylor
Jhonny Gonzalez

[Horse]

Ivan Calderon shouldn't be in the "Probable" section if superior fighters like Froch, Castillo, Corrales etc. are in the section below him.

4 years as WBO minimumweight champion, so what?

[JCS]

Ivan Calderon shouldn't be in the "Probable" section if superior fighters like Froch, Castillo, Corrales etc. are in the section below him.

4 years as WBO minimumweight champion, so what?

Not many fighters are considered (arguably) #2 in a division plus won a title in another division.

[Horse]

Not many fighters are considered (arguably) #2 in a division plus won a title in another division.

He couldn't even unify two belts in the weakest weight division going.

He's a massively overrated fighter.

Stop hyping that chump.

[JCS]

Not many fighters are considered (arguably) #2 in a division plus won a title in another division.

He couldn't even unify two belts in the weakest weight division going.

He's a massively overrated fighter.

Stop hyping that chump.

Ultimately, it's not about what I think.. it's about what the voters think and that's what matters... that's how I'm working the list.

[Horse]

Ultimately, it's not about what I think.. it's about what the voters think and that's what matters... that's how I'm working the list.

Minimumweight is a joke weight division.

He was never the undisputed minimumweight champion. He couldn't even make himself the man in a seriously crap division.

Then he moved up and he was exposed.

Why do you assume he will be respected by the HOF judges? Move him down.

[JCS]

Ultimately, it's not about what I think.. it's about what the voters think and that's what matters... that's how I'm working the list.

Minimumweight is a joke weight division.

He was never the undisputed minimumweight champion. He couldn't even make himself the man in a seriously crap division.

Then he moved up and he was exposed.

Why do you assume he will be respected by the HOF judges? Move him down.

Journalists everywhere were in love with this dude all through his reign... and they are the ones who do the voting.

[Horse]

Journalists everywhere were in love with this dude all through his reign... and they are the ones who do the voting.

Bunch of clueless, pretentious blowhards.

They might well have abandoned their previous positions, considering how it all fell apart when he moved up one stinking weight division.

You should not be a part of the hype machine. Take him down, he doesn't belong there. Stop being a part of the problem.

[Lackeos]

Andre Ward probably always should have been higher. He may be inactive, and a lot of people may not like him, but he's been in the top 10 p4p for over 5 years and deep into the top 10 p4p for over 4 years. One-third of the fighters you have in the category above him have not reigned as high as Ward in the p4p ranks for even 1 year.

I have a bunch of speculatives in mind, like Inoue, Kovalev, Estrada, and Walters. But we can wait on them until some time passes.

Those to remove or demote:
Gotta remove Robert Guerrero. He has no chance whatsoever. Not a HoF-worthy career. Marginal fame. Best wins were like... Berto, Klassen, Litzau. It's looking like his prime may be over, given his struggle against a clubfighter in his last fight.
Brian Viloria's chances are pretty weak, IMO. 8-4 in world title fights, about to pick-up another loss in October, and running out of time to do anything else special.
If the HoF doesn't give a pity induction to everyone who has suffered tragedy, then I seriously doubt that Paul Williams makes it in. His record in world title fights is 3-2, and he barely cracked top 10 p4p for a minute in his absolute peak.
Vic Darchinyan occupied a low spot in the top 10 p4p ranks for less than a year in 2008-2009. Prior to his loss to Agbeko, if you had extrapolated where his career was headed, you would think that he could cruise on into a spot in the HoF. Since 2009, he has been more of a contender than a champion. Most of the fighters who have been beating Darchinyan won't even themselves make the HoF. I doubt that it happens for him.

[JCS]

Andre Ward probably always should have been higher. He may be inactive, and a lot of people may not like him, but he's been in the top 10 p4p for over 5 years and deep into the top 10 p4p for over 4 years. One-third of the fighters you have in the category above him have not reigned as high as Ward in the p4p ranks for even 1 year.

I have a bunch of speculatives in mind, like Inoue, Kovalev, Estrada, and Walters. But we can wait on them until some time passes.

Those to remove or demote:
Gotta remove Robert Guerrero. He has no chance whatsoever. Not a HoF-worthy career. Marginal fame. Best wins were like... Berto, Klassen, Litzau. It's looking like his prime may be over, given his struggle against a clubfighter in his last fight.
Brian Viloria's chances are pretty weak, IMO. 8-4 in world title fights, about to pick-up another loss in October, and running out of time to do anything else special.
If the HoF doesn't give a pity induction to everyone who has suffered tragedy, then I seriously doubt that Paul Williams makes it in. His record in world title fights is 3-2, and he barely cracked top 10 p4p for a minute in his absolute peak.
Vic Darchinyan occupied a low spot in the top 10 p4p ranks for less than a year in 2008-2009. Prior to his loss to Agbeko, if you had extrapolated where his career was headed, you would think that he could cruise on into a spot in the HoF. Since 2009, he has been more of a contender than a champion. Most of the fighters who have been beating Darchinyan won't even themselves make the HoF. I doubt that it happens for him.

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe. Upgraded him. Also downgraded Vic. Will give Viloria a chance against Gonzalez and Guerrero still has a few (potentially) decent years left, but it is uphill.

[Horse]

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe.

He's much, much more worthy than Calderon.

Can you please move him down before I report you for trolling?

[JCS]

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe.

He's much, much more worthy than Calderon.

Can you please move him down before I report you for trolling?

Report it while I'm logged on so I can close it. It's a thread for commenting, not for telling me what to do.

[Lackeos]

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe.

IMO he may be better than 50/50. But it's close because where he excels vastly in quality, he is starved for in quantity. He doesn't have 20 world title wins, but he has quite a list of very high quality scalps. Like I said before with different phrasing, he's been p4p top 5 for over 4 years. A lot of fighters on your probable list and even Cotto have spent 0-1 years in the top 5 p4p.

[Horse]

Report it while I'm logged on so I can close it. It's a thread for commenting, not for telling me what to do.

What?

[digzee]

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe.

IMO he may be better than 50/50. But it's close because where he excels vastly in quality, he is starved for in quantity. He doesn't have 20 world title wins, but he has quite a list of very high quality scalps. Like I said before with different phrasing, he's been p4p top 5 for over 4 years. A lot of fighters on your probable list and even Cotto have spent 0-1 years in the top 5 p4p.

Mainly because nearly all fighters move up a weight division after they clean up a division and challenge themselves, Ward isn't looking up at Kovalev or Stevenson he's looking down at GGG even though his last fight was at 172lbs, he must be scared of a challenge and losing while other guys move up and test themselves. I don't like Ward but I can admit he has a lot of good wins but he cant live off them forever, if he is as good as he thinks and is the next P4P king prove it by going up ONE weight class and clear it out as every P4P king's do.

[davie]

I had similar thoughts on all your bolded guys... but if Ward retires today (which is the criteria I'm using for the non-speculative guys), is he considerably better than 50/50 as a HOFer?? EDIT: Just realized Ward was still a speculative guy.. I agree, he's a Maybe.

He's much, much more worthy than Calderon.

Can you please move him down before I report you for trolling?

Report it while I'm logged on so I can close it. It's a thread for commenting, not for telling me what to do.

Horse making demands that people re-organise their lists on his say, when he's spent years arguing black is white and stubbornly refusing to change things in his top 30 lists in the face of fairly obvious contradictions to his.

[Tanzio]

I think that Bradley, Ward, Froch, John and Sturm are probable.

[Andrew]

Sergio Martinez probable for me. He was lineal middleweight champion with some solid wins and in most people's p4p lists for a few. Still love how he whooped Chavez Jr.

Also possible case for Nonito Donaire some very good wins on his record, multiple weight world champion and at least he actually got in the ring with Rigo too Walters was far too big for him. However what I think hurts his legacy is he did not have that fight with Mares at the time, there is no doubt he could have done what Jhonny Gonzales did to Mares.

[PredatorHayds]

Does anyone know what percentage of voters are from Asia?
Reason being is that Chris John was absolutely HUGE over there.
If the Asian vote gradually gets bigger then maybe I can see him sneaking in.

Personally I always rated him and he had a long reign against questionable opposition. I wouldn't mind him getting in.

[ikorolev]

I think that Bradley, Ward, Froch, John and Sturm are probable.

Funny to see Sturm who spent his career ducking better fighters in one sentence with these other fighters.

Also, I am surprised that nobody is questioning Adamek's presence in the list.

[Tanzio]

I think that Bradley, Ward, Froch, John and Sturm are probable.

Funny to see Sturm who spent his career ducking better fighters in one sentence with these other fighters.

Also, I am surprised that nobody is questioning Adamek's presence in the list.

I'm not making a personal argument for any of them, including Sturm. I am just giving my opinion on who will probably get in.

There are plenty who have been voted in and probably will be that I disagree with.

[JCS]

Sturm, Narvaez and John are all in a pretty similar boat. I just think Narvaez has the best chance of those three.. His title history is a bit more impressive IMO.

Adamek is an interesting case. Belts at LHW, CW and got near the summit at HW with some solid wins. You can't say he isn't at least worth a mention...

I am tempted to move Sergio up to Probable. He's on the fence.

Any thoughts on Tarver?

[Tanzio]

Sturm, Narvaez and John are all in a pretty similar boat.

I just think Narvaez has the best chance of those three.. His title history is a bit more impressive IMO.

Adamek is an interesting case. Belts at LHW, CW and got near the summit at HW with some solid wins. You can't say he isn't at least worth a mention...

I am tempted to move Sergio up to Probable. He's on the fence.

I would agree that SMartinez is probable.

Not sure why Adamek doesn't get more respect.

[digzee]

Sturm, Narvaez and John are all in a pretty similar boat.

I just think Narvaez has the best chance of those three.. His title history is a bit more impressive IMO.

Adamek is an interesting case. Belts at LHW, CW and got near the summit at HW with some solid wins. You can't say he isn't at least worth a mention...

I am tempted to move Sergio up to Probable. He's on the fence.

I would agree that SMartinez is probable.

Not sure why Adamek doesn't get more respect.

He's getting more respect then David Haye so I think that's more then fair.

[JCS]

Decided to upgrade Roman and Sergio.