morrison beating foreman

[littlepug]

Do you think Tommy got enough credit for beating foreman ? considering the amount of credit foreman got in his next fight against moorer I've always thought Morrisons victory over foreman should be given more praise than it has received, for me it proved Morrison was a world class heavyweight, thoughts ?

[Cutman Scabbers]

Probably the best win of his career.

[evrenb]

Do you think Tommy got enough credit for beating foreman ? considering the amount of credit foreman got in his next fight against moorer I've always thought Morrisons victory over foreman should be given more praise than it has received, for me it proved Morrison was a world class heavyweight, thoughts ?

I agree that it was one of Tommy's best performances ; he tricked George in that it was a given that it was going to be a slug fest and he boxed (ran) cleverly and out witted Foreman. It was a close ish fight but Morrison was the deserved winner. I do think he got a lot of credit at the time but some down played it that George was finished at that point. However in hindsight it was even better than it seemed. RIP Tommy

[littlepug]

I think Tommy showed real maturity that night, his fitness was superb, took some heavy shots without crumbling and his general ring IQ and shot selection were spot on

[Rexob]

Yes great performance off Morrison no one saw it coming!

[Bodyshot3]

Proof that Tommy could fight smart when he wanted to and also listened to his team....and he looked good/convincing doing it.
I am really sad that Tommy's life ended-up being such a feckin mess and that he's not with us.

[stevedoc]

Proof that Tommy could fight smart when he wanted to and also listened to his team....and he looked good/convincing doing it.
I am really sad that Tommy's life ended-up being such a feckin mess and that he's not with us.

Great fight by Tommy to go against all his instincts and box on the outside, In many ways Tommy came along 15 years to early just because we wasn't really used to good white heavyweights at the time

[keithmoonhangover]

I thought Foreman looked strangely reserved that night.

[Cutman Scabbers]

I thought Foreman looked strangely reserved that night.

You mean you suspect he threw the fight?

[keithmoonhangover]

I thought Foreman looked strangely reserved that night.

You mean you suspect he threw the fight?

I don't know, he just didn't look like he gave it his best shot.

[orbtastic]

Foreman: "Bob, I can't chase these guys any more"
Arum: "George, I cant put it in the contracts that they can't run"

[littlepug]

Morrison kept giving foreman angles all night but planted his feet enough to get off combinations before getting straight out again before George could set himself to throw anything back, it was textbook stuff from Tommy and he did it perfectly

[Bodyshot3]

The Foreman performance gets me wondering what TM could have done if he'd turned the same trick against the likes of Mercer or the very average Bentt...rather than using his more usual "fire in the hole!" style.

Don't get me wrong...loved it when Morrison came out throwing hard and often from the first bell...but that smart mixture of movement/fighting, basically being a heavy handed box-fighter, that Littelpug alludes to makes me think that TM could have won a few more big ones.

OK, so Mercer was way quicker that Foreman and Tommy was a guy who needed some 'red mist' to get him going...but all the same...he looked good night that by conserving energy, not putting his chin on the line and hitting hard enough to keep a monster at bay.

[littlepug]

In a way I think the mercer loss was the making of Morrison as a fighter, I think many(myself included) expected him to fade into obscurity but instead he improved and had a number of gutcheck type wins, in fact before mercer he fought Yuri vaulin and was being outfoxed and taking a bit of punishment before stopping him late on which in hindsight showed what his makeup was

[Cutman Scabbers]

In a way I think the mercer loss was the making of Morrison as a fighter, I think many(myself included) expected him to fade into obscurity but instead he improved and had a number of gutcheck type wins, in fact before mercer he fought Yuri vaulin and was being outfoxed and taking a bit of punishment before stopping him late on which in hindsight showed what his makeup was

Morrison vs. Vaulin is one of my favorite fights of all time. And the Vaulin post-fight interview one of my favorite of all time.

I saw the fight live on TV. Was so exciting to see the underdog Vaulin -- who had been brought in as cannon fodder -- totally out-boxing Morrison. And just when I was starting to feel sorry for Morrison, boom! The dramatic turn-around...

[Bodyshot3]

Morrison vs. Vaulin is one of my favorite fights of all time. And the Vaulin post-fight interview one of my favorite of all time.

I saw the fight live on TV. Was so exciting to see the underdog Vaulin -- who had been brought in as cannon fodder -- totally out-boxing Morrison. And just when I was starting to feel sorry for Morrison, boom! The dramatic turn-around...

Would have absolutely loved to see have seen The Duke in with Hide as well...which was briefly on the cards as a big fight in the Far East.

I have a feeling that Hide might have put on his rarely used 'smart head' for that one and boxed Tommy and used the ring...before getting sparked by an absolute piledriver in the 8-9 round.

Then again, knowing that it was Morrison and Hide they might well have just gone gun-slinging from the opening bell and someone would have ended-up paying a visit to a Hong Kong A&E department. Both hugely flawed characters but exciting heavyweights.

[littlepug]

Morrison vs. Vaulin is one of my favorite fights of all time. And the Vaulin post-fight interview one of my favorite of all time.

I saw the fight live on TV. Was so exciting to see the underdog Vaulin -- who had been brought in as cannon fodder -- totally out-boxing Morrison. And just when I was starting to feel sorry for Morrison, boom! The dramatic turn-around...

Would have absolutely loved to see have seen The Duke in with Hide as well...which was briefly on the cards as a big fight in the Far East.

I have a feeling that Hide might have put on his rarely used 'smart head' for that one and boxed Tommy and used the ring...before getting sparked by an absolute piledriver in the 8-9 round.

Then again, knowing that it was Morrison and Hide they might well have just gone gun-slinging from the opening bell and someone would have ended-up paying a visit to a Hong Kong A&E department. Both hugely flawed characters but exciting heavyweights.

If I remember rightly Bruno v mercer was gonna be on the same card which was another good matchup

[dempseyfire]

Do you think Tommy got enough credit for beating foreman ? considering the amount of credit foreman got in his next fight against moorer I've always thought Morrisons victory over foreman should be given more praise than it has received, for me it proved Morrison was a world class heavyweight, thoughts ?

Not sure who didn't consider Morrison "world class" as in a legitimate top 10 heavyweight in the world. But I think most see that a) Foreman after Holyfield was hit and miss, as often fighters get into their mid 40s. Remember pre-Morrison he got bludgeoned into Quasimodo by Alex Stewart and after Moorer got defeated more decisively (than Morrison did) vs Schultz. Then later Foreman decisively beats a young Briggs.

Foreman's trigger was just not on that night, and I often figured he didn't want to take credit for being again a "champion" by the WBO, who at the time were considered a fringe belt. He wanted the real thing and I think that factored into his lackluster performance.

[littlepug]

Do you think Tommy got enough credit for beating foreman ? considering the amount of credit foreman got in his next fight against moorer I've always thought Morrisons victory over foreman should be given more praise than it has received, for me it proved Morrison was a world class heavyweight, thoughts ?

Not sure who didn't consider Morrison "world class" as in a legitimate top 10 heavyweight in the world. But I think most see that a) Foreman after Holyfield was hit and miss, as often fighters get into their mid 40s. Remember pre-Morrison he got bludgeoned into Quasimodo by Alex Stewart and after Moorer got defeated more decisively (than Morrison did) vs Schultz. Then later Foreman decisively beats a young Briggs.

Foreman's trigger was just not on that night, and I often figured he didn't want to take credit for being again a "champion" by the WBO, who at the time were considered a fringe belt. He wanted the real thing and I think that factored into his lackluster performance.

there were plenty that saw tommy as a novelty act especialy after the mercer defeat, and I don't buy it being down to foreman not being "up for it" he just got outboxed by a smarter fighter.

[keithmoonhangover]

there were plenty that saw tommy as a novelty act especialy after the mercer defeat, and I don't buy it being down to foreman not being "up for it" he just got outboxed by a smarter fighter.

Do you buy into Morrison not being 'up for it' against Michael Bentt?

[dempseyfire]

Do you think Tommy got enough credit for beating foreman ? considering the amount of credit foreman got in his next fight against moorer I've always thought Morrisons victory over foreman should be given more praise than it has received, for me it proved Morrison was a world class heavyweight, thoughts ?

Not sure who didn't consider Morrison "world class" as in a legitimate top 10 heavyweight in the world. But I think most see that a) Foreman after Holyfield was hit and miss, as often fighters get into their mid 40s. Remember pre-Morrison he got bludgeoned into Quasimodo by Alex Stewart and after Moorer got defeated more decisively (than Morrison did) vs Schultz. Then later Foreman decisively beats a young Briggs.

Foreman's trigger was just not on that night, and I often figured he didn't want to take credit for being again a "champion" by the WBO, who at the time were considered a fringe belt. He wanted the real thing and I think that factored into his lackluster performance.

there were plenty that saw tommy as a novelty act especialy after the mercer defeat, and I don't buy it being down to foreman not being "up for it" he just got outboxed by a smarter fighter.

Morrison did get more hype than most, and let's be honest the guy had a world class punch and snap but he struggled with journeyman and gatekeepers throughout his whole career. Foreman is the only guy I can recall Morrison "outboxing" his whole career, and that's not because he took some magic pills before the fight but moreso to due with Morrison sticking to a gameplan and George having an off-night. I do not think Morrison sees the final bell vs the Foreman that fought Cooney or Holyfield.

[dempseyfire]

there were plenty that saw tommy as a novelty act especialy after the mercer defeat, and I don't buy it being down to foreman not being "up for it" he just got outboxed by a smarter fighter.

Do you buy into Morrison not being 'up for it' against Michael Bentt?

The big difference is Morrison was in his mid 20s and in the prime of his career, whereas Foreman was 44.

[keithmoonhangover]

there were plenty that saw tommy as a novelty act especialy after the mercer defeat, and I don't buy it being down to foreman not being "up for it" he just got outboxed by a smarter fighter.

Do you buy into Morrison not being 'up for it' against Michael Bentt?

The big difference is Morrison was in his mid 20s and in the prime of his career, whereas Foreman was 44.

The big difference is Morrsion got hit very hard and clean on the chin by Bentt.

[Bodyshot3]

Morrison did get more hype than most, and let's be honest the guy had a world class punch and snap but he struggled with journeyman and gatekeepers throughout his whole career. Foreman is the only guy I can recall Morrison "outboxing" his whole career, and that's not because he took some magic pills before the fight but moreso to due with Morrison sticking to a gameplan and George having an off-night. I do not think Morrison sees the final bell vs the Foreman that fought Cooney or Holyfield

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You could be right...but I would suggest that Foreman was generally vulnerable against guys with decent strength who were prepared to turn boxer and be patient against him during this period. And Morrison turned the trick first.

Reckon that Axel Schulz had watched the Morrison tape before he fought George and then copiied everything; there are a fair few people that felt the German got a rough deal that night...despite the fact that the Germans were also robbing people blind at the time!

[littlepug]

At the end of the day styles make fights, but would I be confident Tommy could beat foreman 10 times out of ten ? no I wouldn't because his fitness and confidence were never consistent and against bent he fought a stupid fight and got chinned as a result, Morrison didn't fulfil his potential for me and am convinced he could've beaten mercer that night had he not been wrapped in cottonwool early on.