Cooper/Ali(Clay)

[evrenb]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

[BoxBuzz]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

Which is every bit as good as "hello" or "Howdy"....very good choice!

[Caractacus]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

Hey evrenb,would you care to post that part on youtube too?,
where the ring commenter says that.

[evrenb]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

Hey evrenb,would you care to post that part on youtube too?,
where the ring commenter says that.

Hi

No I wouldn't care to. I kindly spent a lot of time (which I have very little of) to load that other clip and you rubbished it. Perhaps you should move one with this...

[Giancarlo]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

Which is every bit as good as "hello" or "Howdy"....very good choice!

Yeah, but when Brutu is communicating with Central Control the greeting is "Nanu, Nanu".

[Caractacus]

By the way the first words are...'welcome

Hey evrenb,would you care to post that part on youtube too?,
where the ring commenter says that.

Hi

No I wouldn't care to. I kindly spent a lot of time (which I have very little of) to load that other clip and you rubbished it. Perhaps you should move one with this...

Well of course you wouldnt because the reason is obvious.
LMFAO.

[evrenb]

Hi

No I wouldn't care to. I kindly spent a lot of time (which I have very little of) to load that other clip and you rubbished it. Perhaps you should move one with this...[/quote]

Well of course you wouldnt because the reason is obvious.
LMFAO.[/quote]

Zzzzzzz

[BoxBuzz]

Caractus, you are a troll....but you're OUR troll.

[Caractacus]

BTW Not that it matters anymore but Henry Cooper had a 23 lb weight "Disadvantage" going into that fight.
Anyone know why he came in so light?(185.05 lbs)
Did he over train or just maybe caught the squirts a few days before?
What do you figure would have been the result if Henry Cooper had been ten pounds heavier when he had landed that now famous left?

[evrenb]

BTW Not that it matters anymore but Henry Cooper had a 23 lb weight "Disadvantage" going into that fight.
Anyone know why he came in so light?(185.05 lbs)
Did he over train or just maybe caught the squirts a few days before?
What do you figure would have been the result if Henry Cooper had been ten pounds heavier when he had landed that now famous left?

Aah you see...the left hook never landed. That was a myth created by the British press. Truth is Ali actually tripped. He admitted so in a uk interview so its definitely genuine. Oh and btw if you dont believe that, I want a contemporary newspaper report telling me it aint true...I will accept nothing less. I wont believe the fight footage cos you cant really see the punch land and I think big fights may have added a drum noise to give the impression it was a real punch...which it wasn't. Definitely a trip!

[SteveO]

Aah you see...the left hook never landed. That was a myth created by the British press. Truth is Ali actually tripped. He admitted so in a uk interview so its definitely genuine. Oh and btw if you dont believe that, I want a contemporary newspaper report telling me it aint true...I will accept nothing less. I wont believe the fight footage cos you cant really see the punch land and I think big fights may have added a drum noise to give the impression it was a real punch...which it wasn't. Definitely a trip!

The truth.....at last

[Caractacus]

BTW Not that it matters anymore but Henry Cooper had a 23 lb weight "Disadvantage" going into that fight.
Anyone know why he came in so light?(185.05 lbs)
Did he over train or just maybe caught the squirts a few days before?
What do you figure would have been the result if Henry Cooper had been ten pounds heavier when he had landed that now famous left?

Aah you see...the left hook never landed. That was a myth created by the British press. Truth is Ali actually tripped. He admitted so in a uk interview so its definitely genuine. Oh and btw if you dont believe that, I want a contemporary newspaper report telling me it aint true...I will accept nothing less. I wont believe the fight footage cos you cant really see the punch land and I think big fights may have added a drum noise to give the impression it was a real punch...which it wasn't. Definitely a trip!

speasking of 'trips" why you wanna go mess up a thread with your wild hallucinations again?

[evrenb]

This is true...ali said so on the wogan interview hosted by joanna lumley. You calling him a liar?

[Caractacus]

Hi

No I wouldn't care to. I kindly spent a lot of time (which I have very little of) to load that other clip and you rubbished it.

Man, what?
so what you are really saying is that you actually have to get off your bum go to the bus stop
to catch the double-decker bus down to the unemployment office to pick up your unemployment cheque nowdays?
LMFAO

[evrenb]

That's right I was in front of you in the queue. ..remember? You asked to borrow 30 pence from me so you could buy some new sandals

[Caractacus]

This is true...ali said so on the wogan interview hosted by joanna lumley. You calling him a liar?

No of course I am not,
but use some common sense man,
you know when Joanna Lumley asked Ali about Henry Cooper,he was mistakingly thinking of Chuck Wepner instead because

"All( follically challenged) White people look alike".
LMFAO

[klompton]

I can finally put this debate to bed once and for all officially. By pure luck I found an old reel to reel audio recording of the original BBC radio broadcast of Ali-Cooper 1 in its entirety recorded by a fan live back in 1963. I had the thing transferred and picked it up today. Its a very interesting broadcast running from the ring entrance of Ali (who entered the ring wearing a crown) followed by Cooper. The commentary is done by someone I didnt recognize but its different from the TV commentary so its not a simulcast. The commentator hands off the commentary between rounds to another man who I believe he named "Barry" who has a slightly thicker british accent with maybe a northern twinge to it. Anyway, after Ali is knocked down the between rounds color commentator is discussing the knockdown when about 20 seconds into the rest he stops mid sentence and mentions that Ali's left glove is burst. He says it would be a really bad piece of luck for Cooper if Ali got a rest. He then says that yes, it looks like they are going to switch gloves but then stops abruptly and says no, they arent going to switch gloves that they are going to wait and switch gloves after the fifth round. The bell rings immediately and I timed the rest at one minute and two seconds. Case closed. Another one of boxing's beloved myths shattered. Sorry Caractus.

[Bladder]

I can finally put this debate to bed once and for all officially. By pure luck I found an old reel to reel audio recording of the original BBC radio broadcast of Ali-Cooper 1 in its entirety recorded by a fan live back in 1963. I had the thing transferred and picked it up today. Its a very interesting broadcast running from the ring entrance of Ali (who entered the ring wearing a crown) followed by Cooper. The commentary is done by someone I didnt recognize but its different from the TV commentary so its not a simulcast. The commentator hands off the commentary between rounds to another man who I believe he named "Barry" who has a slightly thicker british accent with maybe a northern twinge to it. Anyway, after Ali is knocked down the between rounds color commentator is discussing the knockdown when about 20 seconds into the rest he stops mid sentence and mentions that Ali's left glove is burst. He says it would be a really bad piece of luck for Cooper if Ali got a rest. He then says that yes, it looks like they are going to switch gloves but then stops abruptly and says no, they arent going to switch gloves that they are going to wait and switch gloves after the fifth round. The bell rings immediately and I timed the rest at one minute and two seconds. Case closed. Another one of boxing's beloved myths shattered. Sorry Caractus.

Barry is likely BBC commentator W.Barrington Dalby ...... https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages ... 3x2000.jpg

I just looked at my copy of his biography to see if there's any mention of the bout but it was published in 1961

[Caractacus]

Just seems to me that the people that were actually there at the event all had said in later interviews it was at the very least a two minute delay
in between rounds and probably more.

[klompton]

I can finally put this debate to bed once and for all officially. By pure luck I found an old reel to reel audio recording of the original BBC radio broadcast of Ali-Cooper 1 in its entirety recorded by a fan live back in 1963. I had the thing transferred and picked it up today. Its a very interesting broadcast running from the ring entrance of Ali (who entered the ring wearing a crown) followed by Cooper. The commentary is done by someone I didnt recognize but its different from the TV commentary so its not a simulcast. The commentator hands off the commentary between rounds to another man who I believe he named "Barry" who has a slightly thicker british accent with maybe a northern twinge to it. Anyway, after Ali is knocked down the between rounds color commentator is discussing the knockdown when about 20 seconds into the rest he stops mid sentence and mentions that Ali's left glove is burst. He says it would be a really bad piece of luck for Cooper if Ali got a rest. He then says that yes, it looks like they are going to switch gloves but then stops abruptly and says no, they arent going to switch gloves that they are going to wait and switch gloves after the fifth round. The bell rings immediately and I timed the rest at one minute and two seconds. Case closed. Another one of boxing's beloved myths shattered. Sorry Caractus.

Barry is likely BBC commentator W.Barrington Dalby ...... https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages ... 3x2000.jpg

I just looked at my copy of his biography to see if there's any mention of the bout but it was published in 1961

You are 100% correct. Thank you for the information. I just gave it another listen and after the first round the commentator says "jump in Barrington Dalby!" Would you know who usually worked with Dalby on the radio? I believe Harry Carpenter did the TV but Im not sure who the radio was.

[klompton]

Just seems to me that the people that were actually there at the event all had said in later interviews it was at the very least a two minute delay
in between rounds and probably more.

And those people are wrong because I now have the unedited television broadcast and the unedited radio broadcast recorded LIVE that day uninterrupted. Its very clear there was no delay. When the color commentator makes a point to say that the glove will not be replaced until the following round that puts the final nail in the coffin.

[Bladder]

I can finally put this debate to bed once and for all officially. By pure luck I found an old reel to reel audio recording of the original BBC radio broadcast of Ali-Cooper 1 in its entirety recorded by a fan live back in 1963. I had the thing transferred and picked it up today. Its a very interesting broadcast running from the ring entrance of Ali (who entered the ring wearing a crown) followed by Cooper. The commentary is done by someone I didnt recognize but its different from the TV commentary so its not a simulcast. The commentator hands off the commentary between rounds to another man who I believe he named "Barry" who has a slightly thicker british accent with maybe a northern twinge to it. Anyway, after Ali is knocked down the between rounds color commentator is discussing the knockdown when about 20 seconds into the rest he stops mid sentence and mentions that Ali's left glove is burst. He says it would be a really bad piece of luck for Cooper if Ali got a rest. He then says that yes, it looks like they are going to switch gloves but then stops abruptly and says no, they arent going to switch gloves that they are going to wait and switch gloves after the fifth round. The bell rings immediately and I timed the rest at one minute and two seconds. Case closed. Another one of boxing's beloved myths shattered. Sorry Caractus.

Barry is likely BBC commentator W.Barrington Dalby ...... https://sites.create-cdn.net/siteimages ... 3x2000.jpg

I just looked at my copy of his biography to see if there's any mention of the bout but it was published in 1961

You are 100% correct. Thank you for the information. I just gave it another listen and after the first round the commentator says "jump in Barrington Dalby!" Would you know who usually worked with Dalby on the radio? I believe Harry Carpenter did the TV but Im not sure who the radio was.

For many years, Dalby worked with Raymond Glendenning at the BBC.

Edit: Just looked at Glendenning's wiki page and it seems he packed in broadcasting in early 1964 so would have likely done Cooper/Clay. I'm pretty sure he was replaced by Simon Smith through to the 70's

[Caractacus]

Just seems to me that the people that were actually there at the event all had said in later interviews it was at the very least a two minute delay
in between rounds and probably more.

And those people are wrong because I now have the unedited television broadcast and the unedited radio broadcast recorded LIVE that day uninterrupted. Its very clear there was no delay. When the color commentator makes a point to say that the glove will not be replaced until the following round that puts the final nail in the coffin.

So we can then expect you to download this BBC Radio Broadcast on youtube so that we here can then all hear it for ourselves
rather just you ?
would I be correct in assuming that sir?

[klompton]

Sure, just as soon as you reimburse me the $100 i paid for it and to have it transferred.

[evrenb]

Just seems to me that the people that were actually there at the event all had said in later interviews it was at the very least a two minute delay
in between rounds and probably more.

And those people are wrong because I now have the unedited television broadcast and the unedited radio broadcast recorded LIVE that day uninterrupted. Its very clear there was no delay. When the color commentator makes a point to say that the glove will not be replaced until the following round that puts the final nail in the coffin.

So we can then expect you to download this BBC Radio Broadcast on youtube so that we here can then all hear it for ourselves
rather just you ?
would I be correct in assuming that sir?

Gosh here goes Mr Cadge.....Jeez - you berate guys like myself and Mr Klompton for not sharing (which I do) and you contribute nothing of your own. I dont get it....??