Australian boxers on the world stage

[Boxeo778]

Boxing friends. I want to start by saying I mean no offence to any of the below listed fighters as I respect them all I would just like to point out our current position in world boxing and discuss how to improve, my opinion is strengthening the domestic scene. Forget who promotes who.
I put together this list of every meaningful fight (top 10 ranked legitimate title/eliminator 4atars on boxrec) participated in by an Australian against international opposition(guys with 3,4,5 losses in last six don't count nor does anyone outside boxrec top 50) I've also listed domestic match ups that have come off and ones that should have. Numbers of rounds won out of a total rounds boxed x3 judges, Ko and Koby. I think this highlights a major problem with the domestic boxing scene as 64% of Australians contesting a meaningful fight will be kod. Only 20% will win and 18of the 46 fights not a single round was scored for an Australian. on average Australians will win one of every three rounds. Anything I've missed I'll add the fights and readjust the percentages



Loporto vs trout 0/18 tko
Prazak vs holm 0/30 L
Prazak vs walberg 18/24 w tko
Prazak vs delfine 4/27 tko
Brunker vs selby 0/27 tko
Brunker vs Warrington 0/36 tko
Bika vs dirrell 18/36 d
x2 12/36 L
Bika vs Stevenson 14/36 L
Bika vs periban 22/36 W
Fletcher vs Saunders 0/6 tko
Geale vs barker 16/36
Geale vs cotto 0/9 tko
Geale vs ggg 0/9 tko
Fletcher vs Jacobs 0/15tko
Caparello vs kovalev 3/6 tko
Dawson vs trout 9/30
Dawson vs dzinzurik tko 10
Dawson vs tapia 0/9 tko
Occonell vs Korea 10/30 L
Hore vs tso 6/21 tko
Talipeau vs Ramirez /6 tko
McCullough vs chudinov 0/6 tko
Dib vs gradivich 6/24 tko
2. 17/36 tko
Dib vs jap 0/9 tko
Tomlinson vs belnontes 5/30 L
Tomlinson vs pr 0/24 tko
Zerafa vs Russian 3/30
Leapai vs Klitschko 0/5 tko
Leapai vs Scott 3/30 L
Leapai vs charr 6/30 L
Soliman vs sturm 29/36 W
Soliman vs Taylor 14/36 L
Katsidis vs Coyle 0/6 tko
McConnell vs selby 0/15 tko
Toulou vs Parker 0/3 tko
Hunt vs jap 0/15 tko
Kimweri vs Jap 16/36 L
Mundine vs rabchenko 20/36 w
Mundine vs clottey 14/36 L
Mudraby vs Galahad 0/12 tko
Dunn vs bursak 22/36 W
Fletcher vs bursak 20/36 W
Geale vs sturm 20/36 w
Geale vs sylvester 22/36 w

Wins 8(1) 12.5%ko
Loss 37(24) 64% ko
Draw 1
Rounds. 349/ 1082 32%w

Domestic fights made
Geale vs fletcher
Occonell vs prazak
Moxon vs hogan
Soliman vs mundine
Mundine vs geale
Geale vs Dawson

Domestic fights missed
Tomlinson vs Fleming
Tomlinson vs brunker
Tomlinson vs dib
Tomlinson vs Asis
Brunker vs Fleming
Brunker vs dib
Brunker vs Asis
Fleming vs ASIs
Fletcher vs Solomon
Soliman vs geale
Fletcher vs mundine
Leapai vs brown
Leapai vs Meehan
Meehan vs brown
Caparello vs broadhurst
Broadhurst vs hope
Hope vs caparello
Dunn vs Carr
Talipeau vs Carr
Talipeau vs Dunn
Dunn vs bika
Talipeau vs McCullough
McCullough vs Dunn
Mcculloch vs Carr
Zerafa vs Dawson
Dawson vs hogan
Dawson vs fletcher
Fletcher vs sheik

[adamheight]

Australian boxers have become the Thai/argie cabbies on the world stage. It's because they all take the easy route to the big fights. Fighting over matched opponents to earn rankings that finally gets them the big shot.

We complain boxing gets no coverage from the media here, and when our guys fight in big international fights the media don't cover it. But is it any surprise why the media don't? When the success starts to come the media will but our record overseas is embarrassing. Why are the media going to get behind that?


We have talent here. We need to be fighting each other,not taking on easy beats. It's cheating and it shows them up when they finally get their shot.

[Boxeo778]

Yep how can you fight for a world title when you haven't fought somebody ranked in the top 50 in your weight class.

[Sweet P]

Adam. I dont agree with your comments re aussies are becoming the Thais of World boxing. Thailand is a far stronger boxing country than us. We just see the local Bangkok Cab drivers here and not there real fighter.

[Boxeo778]

Punching below our weight id say when you can't win one of 63 scored rounds is hardly call that above anyone's weight

[Redback Rasta]

Meanwhile Britain has 7 world champions and 3 interim world title holders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... world.html

[ClivePatrickLyons]

We cannot win on the world stage why :?? I'll give you a clue in Australia our BEST Cruiserweight can challenge our BEST Jr Middleweight
and no-body I repeat no-body bats an eye-lid even some ex fighter's think it's OK

[Like a Boss]

Back in the days when the progression was state title, national title and then if you were good enough, Commonwealth tile, by the time our boxers got world title shots they were tested and prepared.

The contrast these days is boxers are in many cases able to avoid quality opponents all the way up to a world title shot because there are so many belts available.

Take a look at Mark de Mori as a typical example of the flawed system. He has never beaten anything like a world ranked opponent. Yet until recently was rated top 10 and 15 by a few different organisations. So potentially he could have landed a world title shot, and then got slaughtered like many of our other fighters who took somewhat similar paths.

[Boxeo778]

Too right and then these guys complain the media won't get behind them or they can't get sponsors but why would they?

[Sids]

A kid that grew up eating flour and water pancakes for dinner in a small poor Welsh mining town or London council estate will likely fight harder then a kid who grew up carefree in the Australian suburbs.

[bogan whisperer]

A kid that grew up eating flour and water pancakes for dinner in a small poor Welsh mining town or London council estate will likely fight harder then a kid who grew up carefree in the Australian suburbs.

Likewise a Mexican who knows his family won't eat that night unless he wins.

[Beltane]

An old saying from the depression era of boxing, was:

A hungry fighter is the best fighter!

[N2 Shape]

Fact is the Regional titles which give you a world ranking have taken over to the point where you dont need to fight the best in your own backyard first to be considered worthy of a world ranking or even world title fight. You simply gotta beat the guy selected for you to 'earn' your world ranking then sit back at let the rest take care of itself

So you can by pass State, National and Commonwealth titles straight to the "big" guy.

[bogan whisperer]

That has to have a lot to do with it.

[Like a Boss]

Having neutral judges wasn't enough to get Jack Asis over the line in Johannesburg, South African. Lost UD to Malcolm Klassen in their IBO super featherweight title fight.

[madball1982]

Would love to see boxing go back to a single world title and the requirement to progress to that title legitimately - country, region, world (and belts like Commonwealth) essentially. No shortcuts, no money-in-the-hand to skip, etc. Sure it would mean no aussies would probably see a title ever again and therefore probably less money available for them - but boxing as a whole would be so much better for it.

[amwsnw]

We cannot win on the world stage why :?? I'll give you a clue in Australia our BEST Cruiserweight can challenge our BEST Jr Middleweight
and no-body I repeat no-body bats an eye-lid even some ex fighter's think it's OK

Not sure danny is our best cruiser, or choc our best Junior middle !!

[amwsnw]

Meanwhile Britain has 7 world champions and 3 interim world title holders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/others ... world.html

You would expect several countries with their boxing strength to hold more world titles than Australia.
i tend to agree our guys take things way too easy before they get the big pay day. But it's prize fighting and if you have limited talent but can pad a record to get a big pay day (and your manager/promoter can) it will happen. I have such respect for guys like Zappa and Rocky katsidis for not taking this road.