Is weight advantage more important then skill?

[keithmoonhangover]

It seems as though as long as you can drain a lot and an have average skill level that's the best way to make it on to the world level these days, skill can only take you so far until you meet a big lump who will walk right through you even though he's less skilled. Guys like Broner who won multiple world titles and Chavez jr are prime examples of this.

Is anyone else fed up of seeing 2 guys in the ring who look 2 weight divisions apart?

Broner didn't look two divisions bigger at welter.

He did at SFW and LW, then when he fought guys his own size at WW he lost both big fights (Paulie doesn't count as a big fight)...

You're still talking bollocks. The rules are the same for everyone.

[digzee]

How am I talking bollocks? I NEVER said it was against the rules did I? I am saying the rules are shite and if you think its fair that guys come in 2 weight divisions higher then his opponent then your thinking is bollocks and I don't think anyone would agree with you.

[Datsue]

It seems as though as long as you can drain a lot and an have average skill level that's the best way to make it on to the world level these days, skill can only take you so far until you meet a big lump who will walk right through you even though he's less skilled. Guys like Broner who won multiple world titles and Chavez jr are prime examples of this.

Is anyone else fed up of seeing 2 guys in the ring who look 2 weight divisions apart?

Broner didn't look two divisions bigger at welter.

Your point is moot. His system can no longer be abused to the level it used to, hence he can no longer fight at a weight where he has an unfair advantage.

Or does Chavez XXL Jr get a pass 'cos he can no longer get down to middleweight with or without the use of racehorse diuretics? Should we all send him some flowers or something 'cos now he has to fight dudes nearly his own size?

[keithmoonhangover]

It seems as though as long as you can drain a lot and an have average skill level that's the best way to make it on to the world level these days, skill can only take you so far until you meet a big lump who will walk right through you even though he's less skilled. Guys like Broner who won multiple world titles and Chavez jr are prime examples of this.

Is anyone else fed up of seeing 2 guys in the ring who look 2 weight divisions apart?

Broner didn't look two divisions bigger at welter.

Your point is moot. His system can no longer be abused to the level it used to, hence he can no longer fight at a weight where he has an unfair advantage.

Or does Chavez XXL Jr get a pass 'cos he can no longer get down to middleweight with or without the use of racehorse diuretics? Should we all send him some flowers or something 'cos now he has to fight dudes nearly his own size?

It isn't abuse. It's a level playing field.

[Kingfield]

Tissues surely are, muscles, subcutatenous skin etc, and surely the fluid around the brain would be more quickly replaced via IV, as the fluid is going directly into the bloodstream, and will therefore go into that area much quicker than via the digestive system? From what I understand, ALL of the tissues of the body, every type, is affected by extreme dehydration. Where's Rhino when you need him, he'd know this poo.

Ok, the fact is do i want a client hydrated quicker or optimally, actually do they pay me for optimal or fastest. The rehydration process is a lot more complicated than simply the speed at which fluid enters circulation.

[Datsue]

Why oh why oh why is the "best fighter on the planet" getting hooked up to an IV after a weigh-in, illegally, & then after the fight announcing it (because he got caught, natch) & applying for a "therapeutic use" special dispensation, if it has no benefits please?

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9 ... rust-usada

To quote (my emphasis; Hauser doesn't usually underline, use italics & bold all in the same sentence):

It was announced publicly that the bout contract Mayweather and Pacquiao signed in February 2012 to fight each other provided that drug testing would be conducted by USADA. But the actual contract with USADA remained to be negotiated. In early March, USADA presented the Pacquiao camp with a contract that allowed the testing agency to grant a retroactive therapeutic use exemption (TUE) to either fighter in the event that the fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. That retroactive exemption could have been granted without notifying the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the opposing fighter’s camp.

People come on here all the time & say things like "Ah, this & that confer no benefit". If such things confer no benefit then why is the richest fighter in the world breaking rules before the highest profile biggest-earning fight of all time?

Why not drink a bottle of fvcking Gatorade?

It's very hard to shake the impression, from a layman's point of view, that they're all fvcking doped up like 1970s racehorses & anyone who works in the "fitness industry" knows it & is desperate to shill attention away from this.

[Datsue]

It isn't abuse. It's a level playing field.

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

[Ezzard]

Why oh why oh why is the "best fighter on the planet" getting hooked up to an IV after a weigh-in, illegally, & then after the fight announcing it (because he got caught, natch) & applying for a "therapeutic use" special dispensation, if it has no benefits please?

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9 ... rust-usada

To quote (my emphasis; Hauser doesn't usually underline, use italics & bold all in the same sentence):

It was announced publicly that the bout contract Mayweather and Pacquiao signed in February 2012 to fight each other provided that drug testing would be conducted by USADA. But the actual contract with USADA remained to be negotiated. In early March, USADA presented the Pacquiao camp with a contract that allowed the testing agency to grant a retroactive therapeutic use exemption (TUE) to either fighter in the event that the fighter tested positive for a prohibited drug. That retroactive exemption could have been granted without notifying the Nevada State Athletic Commission or the opposing fighter’s camp.

People come on here all the time & say things like "Ah, this & that confer no benefit". If such things confer no benefit then why is the richest fighter in the world breaking rules before the highest profile biggest-earning fight of all time?

Why not drink a bottle of fvcking Gatorade?

It's very hard to shake the impression, from a layman's point of view, that they're all fvcking doped up like 1970s racehorses & anyone who works in the "fitness industry" knows it & is desperate to shill attention away from this.

Huge thanks for the link.

Pretty much as expected. Leonard, Hagler, Ali, Louis and as far back as you want to go couldn't maintain their hand speed as they went past 30 but now we are supposed to believe it's possible.

[Ezzard]

You have a US Olympic medalist. You boil him down 2 divisions while he's young. He has a massive reach advantage and size advantage over everyone else. He scores spectacular KOs. Then find a guy who has a great name, is at the end of their career and is about 3 weight divisions from his prime. Your kid wins. He beat a legend. He must be great.

[Sklar]

You have a US Olympic medalist. You boil him down 2 divisions while he's young. He has a massive reach advantage and size advantage over everyone else. He scores spectacular KOs. Then find a guy who has a great name, is at the end of their career and is about 3 weight divisions from his prime. Your kid wins. He beat a legend. He must be great.

You forgot to mention the fishnet stockings and cocaine addiction.

[Ezzard]

usually comes after your first retirement when you're trying to keep your name out there...

[digzee]

It isn't abuse. It's a level playing field.

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

Look at Quillin v Zerafa tonight, Quillin was a good stone and a half heavier then him and nearly fvcking killed him. Level playing field? What a load of shite.

[Datsue]

It isn't abuse. It's a level playing field.

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

Look at Quillin v Zerafa tonight, Quillin was a good stone and a half heavier then him and nearly fvcking killed him. Level playing field? What a load of shite.

That was fvcking disgusting, wasn't it? I hope all cheerleaders for the "New shiny era of fairness & loveliness" that PBC represents are taking notes of all the poor fvcking imports & journeymen brought in to take life-shortening beatings against much bigger men.

[keithmoonhangover]

It isn't abuse. It's a level playing field.

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

Look at Quillin v Zerafa tonight, Quillin was a good stone and a half heavier then him and nearly fvcking killed him. Level playing field? What a load of shite.

Sorry, you're getting confused as to what a level playing field is. A level playing field has nothing to do with the combatants. A level playing field is making sure the rules are the same for everyone. It has nothing to do with fighter A getting into the ring heavier than fighter B. Now if fighter A was not allowed to weigh the same as fighter B, then that ain't a level playing field.

[Datsue]

Sorry, you're getting confused as to what a level playing field is. A level playing field has nothing to do with the combatants. A level playing field is making sure the rules are the same for everyone. It has nothing to do with fighter A getting into the ring heavier than fighter B. Now if fighter A was not allowed to weigh the same as fighter B, then that ain't a level playing field.

Broner was allowed to outweigh Escobedo, & didn't have to bother with the second "safety" weigh-in. I posted this for fornicate's sake & you even fornicating quoted it to post the above.

So as I've pointed out & you keep ignoring, that's not "making sure the rules are the same for everyone", is it? It's the house boy getting a clear-cut advantage.

In fact, in case you missed it:-

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

Go on, please, explain how that scenario is a level playing field. I'm waiting.

[keithmoonhangover]

Explain please how it was a level playing field when Broner weighed in over the limit against career super-feather Vicente Escobedo, didn't bother trying to shed the four pounds plus he had on him, & refused to go to a day-of-fight check weigh-in which would've determined if they were both remotely the same size?

Go on, please, explain how that scenario is a level playing field. I'm waiting.[/quote]

Because they both had the opportunity to weigh whatever they wanted. Broner came in heavy and knew the circumstances. Escobeda could have done the same. That sir is a level playing field. They both had the same choices to make. You make it sound like coming in heavy is the biggest sin in the world.

[Counter-puncher]

You're a fvcking idiot

[keithmoonhangover]

You're a fvcking idiot

Thanks.