Mayweather received illegal IV injection before Pacquiao fight

[caldo2025]

Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Even if we opt to choose the side of the Floyd sympathizers and assume that this was only an innocent infusion of vitamins...HE CHEATED AND HE HAD AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE. Plain and simple. We are talking worst possible case here in an onion that has way more layers to consider. As he's done AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN, Floyd tilts the measure of fairness steeply in his favor. But I'm not a sympathizer and I feel that this shines a light on a strange relationship that Floyd clearly has with very company that tests his opponents for PEDs. To me, this call in question EVERYTHING that he's done in the sport the last 5 years and I feel that more will come out implicating Floyd. This is bad. Looking at it any way you want, it's bad.

[Ezzard]

Come on... He's not the only one doing this...

O.J. Simpson was found not guilty...so what? It took decades to prove smoking caused lung cancer...

[Sklar]

Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

Floyd has done the pedder's equivalent of walking into the ER with a baseball bat stcking out of his ass and claiming he tripped and fell onto it.

[FloydtheDuck]

Wow. Imagine the diehard Floyd nuthuggers defending him Who would have thought that ?

No it didn't provide any clear advantage. ?? Then why do it ?

What about addressing his 3 failed tests in the past ?

What could those have been

[PredatorHayds]

Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

Yes, read the book 'The dirtiest race in history' and it appears that Lewis, despite his big mouth, was far from clean himself, as you say, he just knew that he'd never be sanctioned for anything, because he was too big a star. Johnson was the fall guy, and I have some sympathy for him, because it looks to me, like absolutely everyone was taking hugely powerful anabolic steroids.

This book interests me.
Is it the one about the 88 100metre final?
Do you recommend it? (I mean the book not the steroids)

[jamesmcdonnell]

Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

Yes, read the book 'The dirtiest race in history' and it appears that Lewis, despite his big mouth, was far from clean himself, as you say, he just knew that he'd never be sanctioned for anything, because he was too big a star. Johnson was the fall guy, and I have some sympathy for him, because it looks to me, like absolutely everyone was taking hugely powerful anabolic steroids.

This book interests me.
Is it the one about the 88 100metre final?
Do you recommend it? (I mean the book not the steroids)

Indeed, it's a great and very illuminating read.

And the steroids are cracking too!

[Perseus]

http://www.usada.org/usada-statement-in ... ro-boxing/

September 10th 2015 statement on the USADA website.

Of note: the USADA statement makes it clear that the NSAC has the authority in this situation.

[IKSRTFO]

Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Of course...after everyone jumping on Pacquiao and calling him a cheater based off of hearsay and not facts like this is.

[IKSRTFO]

Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

Just like Floyd fans were calling Pacquiao a cheater even without little factual proof like this.


This is proof there was something else going on (juicing). He didn't need to make weight so why did he feel he was dehydrated enough to need IVs?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

Just like Floyd fans were calling Pacquiao a cheater even without little factual proof like this.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I have my suspicions about a lot of top flight fighters, but without direct evidence, I'm not going to condemn anyone.

[Perseus]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/13 ... ing-report

Today's espn article on this subject.

NSAC not happy with USADA.

I love it and I hope the commissions get together and put a halt to third party testing agreed upon by the fighters.

The commissions obviously need to strengthen their own PED testing protocols but part of that means eliminating these shady choose-your-own-tester deals.

[Datsue]

Floyd has done the pedder's equivalent of walking into the ER with a baseball bat stcking out of his ass and claiming he tripped and fell onto it.

[IKSRTFO]

Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

[punchoutsb]

Interesting.

I've always felt that all top athletes use drugs, and I have no problem with it. I'll wait to hear more information on this one.

I see one of Floyd's jock sniffers is already here, let's wait for the other three to see how this is actually nothing but MANNY'S SHULDER OMZG!1!!11/1!

[digzee]

They must change the result to a no contest then wont they? That would end his perfect 50-0 fight next May.

[Emil]

I see no reason to take the injections (unless he is extremely stupid and has extremely stupid advisors) other than cheating.
His new welterweight physique during the last years has been a bit suspect. Him always delaying the announcement of his fights and even deciding when the 'random' drug testing can start also makes you think twice.

[koolkc107]

Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

Well, it was USADA that nailed Lance. And part of how they did it was to use newer techniques on older samples. So, the potential is definitely there to get to a definitive truth.

[IKSRTFO]

Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

Well, it was USADA that nailed Lance. And part of how they did it was to use newer techniques on older samples. So, the potential is definitely there to get to a definitive truth.

Armstrong stopped paying USADA so they ousted him.

[lillywhite14]

Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

I would put money on the majority of high profile US athletes over the last few decades being juicers. Amusing thing is they were always throwing accusations at the Eastern Bloc athletes back in the day for using when the US were every bit as bad!

[Perseus]

Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

Well, it was USADA that nailed Lance. And part of how they did it was to use newer techniques on older samples. So, the potential is definitely there to get to a definitive truth.

Potential being the key word.

USADA is just as shady as any cheating athlete out there.

[IKSRTFO]

Again...ask yourself....why would a fighter who claims to walks around at his fighting weight, need IVs to rehydrate???

[IKSRTFO]

Still waiting :?? :?? :idea:

[digzee]

Has Floyd or anyone from his team (not including KBB) said anything? Surely if it was something legal or innocent he would be in the media about it everywhere.

[Ricky_]

Has Floyd or anyone from his team (not including KBB) said anything? Surely if it was something legal or innocent he would be in the media about it everywhere.

Yes he made some vague statement about how he did noting wrong, prides himself of being clean, pushes testing in the sport and that's why he uses the "gold standard in testing" th USADA

[Counter-puncher]

Floyd has done the pedder's equivalent of walking into the ER with a baseball bat stcking out of his ass and claiming he tripped and fell onto it.