WILL THIS BE FLOYD's WORST-SELLING PPV SINCE 2006?

[Boxing Prospect]

About 700k. Fans aren't stupid, this under-card isn't the most exciting (Salido Vs Martinez is going to be good but that's it IMO), there was little hype, the drug story will have put some off, and hardcore boxing fans will have realised that they have 2 more exciting PPV's coming up (Golovkin Vs Lemieux ad Cotto Vs Canelo). Any tech savvy person will find a stream of it (CCTV5 look like they will be showing the main event for example) and lets be honest no one is believing the crap about it being his last fight...

[Rexob]

Probably turn out to be a barn stormer just to piss the haters off

[Ricky_]

Nobody really knows his numbers anyway, they're all apart of the carefully managed PR charade, including how much his purses are (which always look higher because the cheques are paid to his Promo company which obviously has outgoings, staff and tax to pay), his weight which he constantly lies about, and his dedication to drug testing.

Floyd spins more than a top politician.

We'll never know real numbers but no way you find half a million people who would pay to watch this turkey. Tickets have been more than halved and they still can't sell them.

[Rexob]

Nobody really knows his numbers anyway, they're all apart of the carefully managed PR charade, including how much his purses are (which always look higher because the cheques are paid to his Promo company which obviously has outgoings, staff and tax to pay), his weight which he constantly lies about, and his dedication to drug testing.

Floyd spins more than a top politician.

We'll never know real numbers but no way you find half a million people who would pay to watch this turkey. Tickets have been more than halved and they still can't sell them.

How do you know then?

[Ricky_]

Nobody really knows his numbers anyway, they're all apart of the carefully managed PR charade, including how much his purses are (which always look higher because the cheques are paid to his Promo company which obviously has outgoings, staff and tax to pay), his weight which he constantly lies about, and his dedication to drug testing.

Floyd spins more than a top politician.

We'll never know real numbers but no way you find half a million people who would pay to watch this turkey. Tickets have been more than halved and they still can't sell them.

Boxing PPV numbers are way more accurate than UFC numbers (which are never officially released).

The following list is very accurate based on everything else I've seen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view#Boxing

The only one significantly inaccurate on that list is Floyd-Hatton because that did about 1 million PPVs in the UK alone & those numbers arent included in the US totals above.

What makes them accurate? Who regulates the figures?

[koolkc107]

Yes.

No, HELL YES.

We're talking "it might not beat Pac-Rios" territory here.

[KBB]

Probably turn out to be a barn stormer just to piss the haters off

One things for sure, it will definitely be more exciting than a boring and incapable Manny Pacquiao vs Mayweather.

[Rexob]

Probably turn out to be a barn stormer just to piss the haters off

One things for sure, it will definitely be more exciting than a boring and incapable Manny Pacquiao vs Mayweather.

You hope DD

[Ricky_]

Nobody "regulates" the figures. They are generally tallied within a few weeks and released by whatever network(s) showed the PPV (in Floyd's case Showtime, except the Pac fight was a joint PPV with HBO). Sometimes overseas PPV sales are released later since they are tallied later. The combatants have no say or influence over the figures released by the network. The figures shown on Wikipedia are in general agreement with other figures from other sites.

Which particular ones do you question? Just Mayweather's or others as well? Floyd's promo company was always subsidized by Golden Boy until 2013 and was not even involved in the PPV telecast until he signed his deal with Showtime and only 2 of his last 6 fights (Canelo fight & Pac bout) had over 1 million PPV buys. If Floyd really had the power to juggle the numbers why didnt he claim ALL 6 of his Showtime contract bouts were over 1 million?

So we just go with whatever the network say the sold? Fat Dan was on twitter claiming "inside industry sources" were saying Guerrero ppv flopped, that the numbers came in well below 800k and Showtime made a loss (requiring 1m to break even).

Showtime quickly rebuked Dan saying the numbers were "on course" to break 1m.

The wiki link you posted puts Guerrero sales at exactly 1m and sources that same article by Showtime.

It's BS. Nobody regulated the numbers. Showtime aren't exactly going to turn round and say it was a total flop are they? It destroys the image of their main attraction, it's terrible PR.


The PPV numbers are a sham like everything else that involves this cheating parasite.

[KBB]

You hope DD

No hope about it, nothing can be more boring than Manny not figuring out how to cut off the ring, throw a thousand punches and missing 90% of them and only having 2 rounds of success, Berto for all his lack of skill will be able to provide more action than that even if it is just him taking a beating.

[KBB]

Nobody really knows his numbers anyway, they're all apart of the carefully managed PR charade, including how much his purses are (which always look higher because the cheques are paid to his Promo company which obviously has outgoings, staff and tax to pay), his weight which he constantly lies about, and his dedication to drug testing.

Floyd spins more than a top politician.

We'll never know real numbers but no way you find half a million people who would pay to watch this turkey. Tickets have been more than halved and they still can't sell them.

we do know one thing for sure, Manny's numbers are far worse and so bad that Arum never even bothered to publish them, too bad he'll never be on the level of Mayweather especially after losing so easily and looking like a boring fighter to boot.

[brilo33]

i only have bought one mayweather ppv ,and that was because he was fighting pacquiao,

[Ricky_]

If there was any juggling of the PPV numbers then it was on Showtime's part, because the actual PPV numbers are beyond Mayweather's control. [/b]

What i'm saying is that there isn't any "juggling" because numbers aren't released. They aren't in the public domain.

Take my Guerrero vs Mayweather example, nobody knows what the numbers are and all we have to go on is a soundbite from Showtime's Head of Boxing Espinoza saying:

""We still don't have complete numbers, but we've seen the dish numbers and some of the cable numbers to be comfortable saying we will definitely exceed 1 million buys," Espinoza said Friday."


That's it. There's nothing else. No more news articles or official releases from the TV Networks.

So Floyd vs Guerrero may have done over 1m in the final numbers count because the guy in charge with marketing these PPV's said it did?

He's hardly going to say "The numbers sucked worse than the fight. We made a massive loss and feedback from punters was that Floyd is boring and nobody has ever heard of Guerrero."

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I'll use the low numbers ...

Floyd/Manny (4.4M)
Floyd/Alvarez (2.2M)
Floyd/Guerrero (840K)
Floyd/Maidana I (900K)
Floyd/Maidana II (950K)

That's a five fight average of 1.858M buys ...

Even if you half, the Floyd/Manny numbers, the average is still 1.418M buys ...

If the Berto fight does 500K, that's still be a six-fight average of 1.26M buys.

When it's this obvious, why is there still a discussion?

[brilo33]

to be fair we all have streams now. as much as i like paying for his ladies of the night.i think 8 is enough for any man

[Badhusker]

I think it will land in the 700 to 800 range, possibly higher. The fact that it is the last fight for Floyd will make people buy it.

Does anyone really care how many buys it gets? I doubt if anyone does since they made so much money on the Pac and Canelo fights.

[Lackeos]

It would make a lot of sense for this to be his worst-performing fight since 2006. The only opponents Mayweather has fought who were nearly as bad as Berto were Guerrero and Ortiz, both of whom beat Berto. I don't see any reason why Berto at this stage of his career would outsell Guerrero and Ortiz. If Berto had fought Mayweather immediately after he beat Freddy Hernandez, he might have been able to outperform Ortiz by a minor margin. Also, a lot of the viewing public developed a real distaste for Mayweather's entertainment value after the Pacquiao fight, so I would think that Mayweather might have tarnished drawing power going into the Berto fight.

[SFW]

A side note here, but does anyone notice that the diehard Money fans the ones that praise the constant disengaging and flighty style like it's reinventing the wheel are the same dirt farmers stupid enough to believe it's the other guy's fault he is scared to really fight... you know it's bad when your daddy tells the whole world your fighting scared. Because he was, fact. Fought scared even when there was no real threat. Manny was clueless... Brut has gotta be chafing by now, 24 rounds in just a few months and nobody even got hit hard at all?? Nobody? Oh man that spank bank is full.

[SenorPipino]

I think the current talk is that the fight drew about 550,000 buys. My own prediction was 650,000.

This 550,000 figure is preliminary and the final numbers usually rise, so it seems like the bout drew about 600,000.

Not bad for a matchup with a non-entity (at least to the casual fan) like Berto.

[IKSRTFO]

You hope DD

No hope about it, nothing can be more boring than Manny not figuring out how to cut off the ring, throw a thousand punches and missing 90% of them and only having 2 rounds of success, Berto for all his lack of skill will be able to provide more action than that even if it is just him taking a beating.

Mayweather didn't have as much of his special fluids for Berto

[IKSRTFO]

Nobody really knows his numbers anyway, they're all apart of the carefully managed PR charade, including how much his purses are (which always look higher because the cheques are paid to his Promo company which obviously has outgoings, staff and tax to pay), his weight which he constantly lies about, and his dedication to drug testing.

Floyd spins more than a top politician.

We'll never know real numbers but no way you find half a million people who would pay to watch this turkey. Tickets have been more than halved and they still can't sell them.

we do know one thing for sure, Manny's numbers are far worse and so bad that Arum never even bothered to publish them, too bad he'll never be on the level of Mayweather especially after losing so easily and looking like a boring fighter to boot.

Had he received the same IV that Floyd did, the fight may have been different.