Rift Growing Between Pac & Arum?

[Pureist]

Let's keep this in perspective.

Using IVs is against WADA, but apparently not USADA or NSAC. And yeah, it might not seem 100% kosher...but it is lightyears more aboveboard to do the IVs AND get tested (before and after) than to walk away from a mountain of money because you refuse to do random testing at all.

Don't get things twisted...

yeah lets keep it in perspective kooli, usada are a collection and testing company, WADA set all the rules to be adhered to, thats the perspective wada dont need an invitation to investigate this

[koolkc107]

Let's keep this in perspective.

Using IVs is against WADA, but apparently not USADA or NSAC. And yeah, it might not seem 100% kosher...but it is lightyears more aboveboard to do the IVs AND get tested (before and after) than to walk away from a mountain of money because you refuse to do random testing at all.

Don't get things twisted...

yeah lets keep it in perspective kooli, usada are a collection and testing company, WADA set all the rules to be adhered to, thats the perspective wada dont need an invitation to investigate this

The contract has a clause in it which called for WADA protocols to be superceded...which makes sense if you are trying to tailor things to professional and not amateur sports.

It's "Olympic style" not "Olympic". Meaning with modifications.

The IV was one. The Toradol- which USADA also signed off on at the very last minute- was another. And I am sure there were more.

[KBB]

Macho, don't buy a word of that garbage. I knew he'd play coy with the information but i never thought he'd go all Tom Hanks in Castaway on us. So he's been on a deserted island for a few days and had no idea the love of his life was a despicable cheat. It's an interesting move but i'm not buying it.

First of all no one would ask a person of your stature to buy anything because you obviously cannot afford it because you have no idea that other people have a life and live outside of BoxRec (too bad you don't).

I have other business both personal and professional that doesn't always afford me the time to get to the website especially lately but i did read up on it after the stupid challenge was issued, still you or no one else have conclusively proved him to be a cheat so why are you slandering someone without any facts which goes against the forum rules??

[punchoutsb]

...still you or no one else have conclusively proved him to be a cheat so why are you slandering someone without any facts which goes against the forum rules??

Like you with Pac's "special shakes"?

[KBB]

...still you or no one else have conclusively proved him to be a cheat so why are you slandering someone without any facts which goes against the forum rules??

Like you with Pac's "special shakes"?

Like me with Pac's "Special Shakes" as mentioned by his own Trainer Freddie Roach who fired the accusation at his former strength and conditioning coach.

Yep, that very same one who is with Floyd now, yep that very same one who gave your beloved sore loser Manny those shakes.

[punchoutsb]

...still you or no one else have conclusively proved him to be a cheat so why are you slandering someone without any facts which goes against the forum rules??

Like you with Pac's "special shakes"?

Like me with Pac's "Special Shakes" as mentioned by his own Trainer Freddie Roach who fired the accusation at his former strength and conditioning coach.

Yep, that very same one who is with Floyd now, yep that very same one who gave your beloved sore loser Manny those shakes.

Manny isn't my beloved, you must have me mixed up with someone else.

But yeah, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and whine and bitch that people are slandering your man crush when you led the charge slandering Manny who you or no one else has conclusively proved to be a cheat. Slander goes against the forum rules you know

[KBB]

Manny isn't my beloved, you must have me mixed up with someone else.

But yeah, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and whine and bitch that people are slandering your man crush when you led the charge slandering Manny who you or no one else has conclusively proved to be a cheat. Slander goes against the forum rules you know

Your beloved Manny lost and you still can't get over it.

[punchoutsb]

Manny isn't my beloved, you must have me mixed up with someone else.

But yeah, you shouldn't be a hypocrite and whine and bitch that people are slandering your man crush when you led the charge slandering Manny who you or no one else has conclusively proved to be a cheat. Slander goes against the forum rules you know

Your beloved Manny lost and you still can't get over it.

I predicted a Floyd win, saw Floyd beat Pac in dominant fashion, saw Pac act like a moron post fight and say he thought he won the fight, saw Pac most likely fake a shoulder injury.

Manny isn't my beloved, but your adoration Floyd goes beyond any sort of healthy love I've ever seen. You should see counseling.

[Pureist]

Kbb, slander has no basis, proof has basis, IV, against the rules unless at hospital or medical emergency, dark urine doesn't constitute a medical emergency, 750ml of fluid, regardless of what it was is 14 times over the limit, you can argue against that, it is not slander, it is what he did, not pacquaio, but floyd your crush

[Badhusker]

Let's keep this in perspective.

Using IVs is against WADA, but apparently not USADA or NSAC. And yeah, it might not seem 100% kosher...but it is lightyears more aboveboard to do the IVs AND get tested (before and after) than to walk away from a mountain of money because you refuse to do random testing at all.

Don't get things twisted...

This is a lot bigger than you are making it out to be. This couldn't be more shady. The infusion was not something that he copped to on his own accord. Floyd was found to have IV paraphernalia during a visit to his home. That's the only reason that he got pinched. Then all of a sudden, he gets the USADA to agree that he got approval from them and then they submit for approval 19 days after the fight? Are you kidding me? This is so filthy and egregious that the USADA could be done for good. Once some of these folks start rolling over on him, you may see some interesting things come out about your boy and just how clean he was.

Caldo, you just need to stop and take a breath. You obviously don't know what is going on, don't know who is in charge of what or has authority on what. Holy crap you make me laugh out loud on your BS. Do some research before running your mouth.

[koolkc107]

I am trying to give them facts, Husker.

But they have some kind of mental block working.

This is a non issue unless we find it was something other than saline and vitamins.

And the test results before and after the IV drip have Floyd clean.

[IKSRTFO]

I am trying to give them facts, Husker.

But they have some kind of mental block working.

This is a non issue unless we find it was something other than saline and vitamins.

And the test results before and after the IV drip have Floyd clean.

And Pacquiao has never failed a drug test yet he's dirty because Floyd and Malignaggi says so....ok

[caldo2025]

Caldo, you just need to stop and take a breath. You obviously don't know what is going on, don't know who is in charge of what or has authority on what. Holy crap you make me laugh out loud on your BS. Do some research before running your mouth.

Only a Floyd rump swab would think this is just BS. What Floyd did was illegal and unethical but that's fine with you right? You dick heads have been preaching for a long time about how everyone else was dirty but now your hero got caught and it's completely fine right? Manny had a legitimate reason to get a shot that night but was denied by Floyd's cabinet members. He didn't do it and then ask for permission like Floyd. The only reason Floyd applied for that post IV exception is because he got caught with his pants down with it.

Tell me what's BS about this other than your whole point of view? Then again, you are a tool and i don't really care what you think.

[Ricky_]

I am trying to give them facts, Husker.

But they have some kind of mental block working.

This is a non issue unless we find it was something other than saline and vitamins.

And the test results before and after the IV drip have Floyd clean.

And Pacquiao has never failed a drug test yet he's dirty because Floyd and Malignaggi says so....ok

did you see the video of Malignaggi making excuses for Floyd!?

Man that guy is the ultimate example of a bottom feeder. Afteryears of calling Pacman a drug cheat when Floyd gets out of breaking WADA banned subtance & banned rules, he jumps to his defence. He claimed "All this really shows is Floyd doesn't make weight as easy as we all believed".

[caldo2025]

Macho, don't buy a word of that garbage. I knew he'd play coy with the information but i never thought he'd go all Tom Hanks in Castaway on us. So he's been on a deserted island for a few days and had no idea the love of his life was a despicable cheat. It's an interesting move but i'm not buying it.

First of all no one would ask a person of your stature to buy anything because you obviously cannot afford it because you have no idea that other people have a life and live outside of BoxRec (too bad you don't).

I have other business both personal and professional that doesn't always afford me the time to get to the website especially lately but i did read up on it after the stupid challenge was issued, still you or no one else have conclusively proved him to be a cheat so why are you slandering someone without any facts which goes against the forum rules??

So you're ok with sitting on a soap box about Manny for the last year with nothing but circumstantial evidence but here's a clear cut factual instance of your hero illegally taking an IV in his house, not a medical facility, participating in an action that most PED abusers use to dilute a sample to hide improprieties? Yeah, why am i not surprised? So all of your slanderous comments were based on facts? Is that what you're trying to say? You really are pathetic. We're done here.

[koolkc107]

I am trying to give them facts, Husker.

But they have some kind of mental block working.

This is a non issue unless we find it was something other than saline and vitamins.

And the test results before and after the IV drip have Floyd clean.

And Pacquiao has never failed a drug test yet he's dirty because Floyd and Malignaggi says so....ok

did you see the video of Malignaggi making excuses for Floyd!?

Man that guy is the ultimate example of a bottom feeder. Afteryears of calling Pacman a drug cheat when Floyd gets out of breaking WADA banned subtance & banned rules, he jumps to his defence. He claimed "All this really shows is Floyd doesn't make weight as easy as we all believed".

Sounds like a guy on the inside who knows the things that go on, good and bad and indifferent.

IV rehydration is not new to boxing and most important, it is not illegal in boxing.

[Ricky_]

Sounds like a guy on the inside who knows the things that go on, good and bad and indifferent.

IV rehydration is not new to boxing and most important, it is not illegal in boxing.

It is when you sign-up to Olympic style drug testing, at which point injecting anything over 50ml of IV is banned. You already know that though ass wipe but looking for any straw to clutch that your boys not a drugs cheat. He's been paying off USADA for "exemptions" the whole time, sweeping failed A samples under the rug with confidentiality clauses.

[koolkc107]

Sounds like a guy on the inside who knows the things that go on, good and bad and indifferent.

IV rehydration is not new to boxing and most important, it is not illegal in boxing.

It is when you sign-up to Olympic style drug testing, at which point injecting anything over 50ml of IV is banned. You already know that though ass wipe but looking for any straw to clutch that your boys not a drugs cheat. He's been paying off USADA for "exemptions" the whole time, sweeping failed A samples under the rug with confidentiality clauses.

No, it is when you undergo testing IN THE OLYMPICS or any other event that has the WADA code as law and a NADO like USADA as the SANCTIONING AUTHORITY.

None of that was true in the case of the fight between Pac and Money, which had NSAC acting as the sanctioning body and the contract signed between the boxers as the testing authority with USADA hired to do the testing.

Look how emo you are getting over nothing.

This is a non issue and has been for months.

And you won't hear anymore about it.

Sorry, Pretty Ricky...

[digzee]

I am trying to give them facts, Husker.

But they have some kind of mental block working.

This is a non issue unless we find it was something other than saline and vitamins.

And the test results before and after the IV drip have Floyd clean.

And Pacquiao has never failed a drug test yet he's dirty because Floyd and Malignaggi says so....ok

did you see the video of Malignaggi making excuses for Floyd!?

Man that guy is the ultimate example of a bottom feeder. Afteryears of calling Pacman a drug cheat when Floyd gets out of breaking WADA banned subtance & banned rules, he jumps to his defence. He claimed "All this really shows is Floyd doesn't make weight as easy as we all believed".

So if he was in a 'medical emergency' (as per the rules insist) desperately trying to make weight in the last couple of days and needed the IV then he should have fought at 154 against GGG, he wanted an exciting fight for the fans and that's what the fans wanted.

[Ricky_]

No, it is when you undergo testing IN THE OLYMPICS or any other event that has the WADA code as law and a NADO like USADA as the SANCTIONING AUTHORITY.

None of that was true in the case of the fight between Pac and Money, which had NSAC acting as the sanctioning body and the contract signed between the boxers as the testing authority with USADA hired to do the testing.

So your argument is USADA were following NSAC standards, and not WADA standards for this fight?

In which case, why would Floyd need even need an exemption?

Game. Set. Match. Bitch.

[Ricky_]

So if he was in a 'medical emergency' (as per the rules insist) desperately trying to make weight in the last couple of days and needed the IV then he should have fought at 154 against GGG, he wanted an exciting fight for the fans and that's what the fans wanted.

he guys been BS'ing about his weight for years. Never the less, he was never so dehydrated that he was a medical emergency, it's not like there is a lack of footage of him, hours before, doing interviews at the biggest weigh-in of all time.

The only real reason i can see for this IV is 1 of 2 reasons;

1. He was cooking up or hiding some kind of banned substance,

or,

2. Gaining as much possible weight as he could from stepping off the scale to entering the ring was a fight tactic, which would make sense given the amount of leaning/clinching he did on Pac.

Either one is pretty bad, reason 2 is obviously no as bad as 1, but never-the-less obtaining a waiver to break olympic drug substance & method rules to gain a competitive advantage is as corrupt as fornicate, it includes cheating by both the participant and the testing body.

[koolkc107]

No, it is when you undergo testing IN THE OLYMPICS or any other event that has the WADA code as law and a NADO like USADA as the SANCTIONING AUTHORITY.

None of that was true in the case of the fight between Pac and Money, which had NSAC acting as the sanctioning body and the contract signed between the boxers as the testing authority with USADA hired to do the testing.

So your argument is USADA were following NSAC standards, and not WADA standards for this fight?

In which case, why would Floyd need even need an exemption?

Game. Set. Match. Bitch.

No, I am saying they were following MODIFIED WADA standards as spelled out in the contract signed by both men.

I've have posted this several times already.

You're not just playing at being stupid...

You really are retarded, aren't you?

[koolkc107]

So if he was in a 'medical emergency' (as per the rules insist) desperately trying to make weight in the last couple of days and needed the IV then he should have fought at 154 against GGG, he wanted an exciting fight for the fans and that's what the fans wanted.

he guys been BS'ing about his weight for years. Never the less, he was never so dehydrated that he was a medical emergency, it's not like there is a lack of footage of him, hours before, doing interviews at the biggest weigh-in of all time.

The only real reason i can see for this IV is 1 of 2 reasons;

1. He was cooking up or hiding some kind of banned substance,

or,

2. Gaining as much possible weight as he could from stepping off the scale to entering the ring was a fight tactic, which would make sense given the amount of leaning/clinching he did on Pac.

Either one is pretty bad, reason 2 is obviously no as bad as 1, but never-the-less obtaining a waiver to break olympic drug substance & method rules to gain a competitive advantage is as corrupt as eff, it includes cheating by both the participant and the testing body.

A)
Floyd passed blood and urine tests before and after the IV.
And some reports have him giving additional urine before and after each IV.
So much for the illegal substance or masking of one.

B)
It is possible to gain weight when rehydrating, but you don't rehydrate to gain weight.
Floyd used 750 ml, the fluid equivalent of a couple of cans of beer.
Not gonna become a middleweight off of that.


IVs are used in pro sports ALL THE TIME.
Plenty will be used TODAY in fact.

When that running back or lineman from your favorite team starts cramping up in the heat, guess what is going to happen?
They are going to take him back to the locker room and hook him up to an IV.

Enjoy the games, fellas!

[Ricky_]

A)
Floyd passed blood and urine tests before and after the IV.
And some reports have him giving urine before and after each IV.
So much for the illegal substance or masking of one.

B)
It is possible to gain weight when rehydrating, but you don't rehydrate to gain weight.
Floyd used 750 ml, the fluid equivalent of a couple of cans of beer.
Not gonna become a middleweight off of that.

A) Armstrong also passed tests using the same method as Floyd (saline IV drip, bringing certain readings down as not to arouse suspicion). We know that Synthetic Testosterone is a banned substance that the agency that Floyd hire (USADA) does not check for, we also know that some of Floyd's Testosterone levels are 'red flag' readings which should have been tested.

B) Read some biology, 750ml of illegal IV cocktails of saline and vitamins can greatly enhance recovery. You're legally allowed 50ml in a 6 hour peroid. It would have taken Floyd over 90 hours (about 4 days straight) to legally take the amount of IV he did.

Nobody who is not a total slut (like you) can possibly argue that this IV drip was not done to gain a sporting advantage. If you drain to make weight, drink water, it's not an extreme medical emergency.

[koolkc107]

A)
Floyd passed blood and urine tests before and after the IV.
And some reports have him giving urine before and after each IV.
So much for the illegal substance or masking of one.

B)
It is possible to gain weight when rehydrating, but you don't rehydrate to gain weight.
Floyd used 750 ml, the fluid equivalent of a couple of cans of beer.
Not gonna become a middleweight off of that.

A) Armstrong also passed tests using the same method as Floyd (saline IV drip, bringing certain readings down as not to arouse suspicion). We know that Synthetic Testosterone is a banned substance that the agency that Floyd hire (USADA) does not check for, we also know that some of Floyd's Testosterone levels are 'red flag' readings which should have been tested.

B) Read some biology, 750ml of illegal IV cocktails of saline and vitamins can greatly enhance recovery. You're legally allowed 50ml in a 6 hour peroid. It would have taken Floyd over 90 hours (about 4 days straight) to legally take the amount of IV he did.

Nobody who is not a total slut (like you) can possibly argue that this IV drip was not done to gain a sporting advantage. If you drain to make weight, drink water, it's not an extreme medical emergency.

I bolded the salient points of your reply cuz I suspect you are really mentally hadicapped.

A)
Lance did use Saline to mask things, but he was able to do so because he wasn't tested as rigorously as Floyd was.
For example, instead of being tested before and after the IV as Floyd was, Lance found ways to get his IV drips of Saline and stored blood always before he had to submit a sample. Either his team found out about the tests in advance or he'd avoid them until he could do his doping and masking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/12/sport ... .html?_r=0

Floyd submitted urine samples before AND after the IV. No way to mask anything if you have a pre-mask sample. Get it?

B)
I didn't say the IV had NO BENEFIT.
I refuted YOUR CONTENTION that it led to Floyd being massively heavier.
Thank you for realizing I am right and "moving the goalposts" from 'weight gain advantage' to 'recovery advantage'...
Which isnt true anyway since, under the contract, it was legal and also available to Pacquiao.

Again, you have a problem, take it up with USADA. And if you do manage to get a semi-literate, fully retarded question thru to them ask them what the difference is between the IV drip they approved and Manny's Toradol injection- which they also approved.

Hint: the answer is zero.