Lil' g Ducks Ward One Mo' 'gain

[koolkc107]

Andre claims to have email proof of the duck:

"It's not Triple G no more, It's Little G. Little G turned down an official fight with us, I don't know, about a month ago...I have an email right now that shows that we gave him what he wanted, we'll give you 50/50, these are the terms, these are the conditions, and the promoter turned it down and said "maybe in 2017." So from now on he's Little G. They turned it down in 5 minutes," Ward toldFighthub.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/79569 ... g-down.htm

Granted, I kinda see Gennady and his peeps working. Fighting the winner of Cotto v Canelo, then trying to unify is the much more financially beneficial route.

So, I guess Mr. "Anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes" is strictly a middleweight till at least 2017.

Here's the same thing reported by the LA Times:


http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

[ikorolev]

Ward is delusional. He makes an offer to Golovkin AFTER the Lemieux PPV was announced and expects negotiations ???

After Golovkin beats Lemieux, he has other unifications lined up, so where does Ward fit in 2016 ? Nowhere ! After Golovkin unifies MW titles, will Ward be in position to even ask for 50% ? Of course, not !

Smart business from K2.

P.S. After Floyd's alleged retirement, his d1ck riders quickly jumped on Ward's d!ck

[littlepug]

You can't duck someone in a different division

[keirw]

I like Ward but he talks more than he fights, unfortunately.
You can't offer a fight to someone who already has his next two fights planned and blame the promoter for saying 'maybe later'.
It looks like he is looking for publicity, nothing more.

[punchoutsb]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

[diddy]

Ward is delusional. He makes an offer to Golovkin AFTER the Lemieux PPV was announced and expects negotiations ???

After Golovkin beats Lemieux, he has other unifications lined up, so where does Ward fit in 2016 ? Nowhere ! After Golovkin unifies MW titles, will Ward be in position to even ask for 50% ? Of course, not !

Smart business from K2.

P.S. After Floyd's alleged retirement, his d1ck riders quickly jumped on Ward's d!ck

I'm absolutely floored you would take GGG's side on this. Absolutely stunning stuff!

[ikorolev]

Ward is delusional. He makes an offer to Golovkin AFTER the Lemieux PPV was announced and expects negotiations ???

After Golovkin beats Lemieux, he has other unifications lined up, so where does Ward fit in 2016 ? Nowhere ! After Golovkin unifies MW titles, will Ward be in position to even ask for 50% ? Of course, not !

Smart business from K2.

P.S. After Floyd's alleged retirement, his d1ck riders quickly jumped on Ward's d!ck

I'm absolutely floored you would take GGG's side on this. Absolutely stunning stuff!

My sole purpose was to stun you.

[caldo2025]

GGG is on the eve of his first PPV event against his toughest opponent where the winner gets to fight for the undisputed Middleweight Championship. What a heroic time to call him out, Andre. Oh yeah, he's really ducking you and your humungous fan base that can't bring one extra viewer to BET. This, on top of the fact that GGG is not even in his weight class. It just drips with desperation to be relevant again.

A GGG vs Cotto/Canelo fight will bring in ten times more money than any catch weight fight against a blowhard that has fought once in three years. This was clearly just a little ribbon Ward can put on his trophy case saying that GGG is scared to fight him. GGG will fight him eventually but not the expense of unifying the titles. That's been his goal since day one. Same with Kovalev so Ward should try defending the title he's somehow held onto through this mess and do it against a deserving Super Middleweight like a champion does. How Boxing lets this go on is beyond me. Throw a mandatory at Ward for goodness sake. At least make it look legit.

[Batley18]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

Very true. Ward is a great fighter, but he is an absolute joke. Also made Dawson come down in weight.

[koolkc107]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

Very true. Ward is a great fighter, but he is an absolute joke. Also made Dawson come down in weight.

From a list of logical fallacies:

Irrelevant Conclusion (Ignorantio Elenchi): This fallacy occurs when a rhetorician adapts an argument purporting to establish a particular conclusion and directs it to prove a different conclusion. For example, when a particular proposal for housing legislation is under consideration, a legislator may argue that decent housing for all people is desirable. Everyone, presumably, will agree. However, the question at hand concerns a particular measure. The question really isn't, "Is it good to have decent housing?" The question really is, "Will this particular measure actually provide it or is there a better alternative?" This type of fallacy is a common one in student papers when students use a shared assumption--such as the fact that decent housing is a desirable thing to have--and then spend the bulk of their essays focused on that fact rather than the real question at issue. It's similar to begging the question, above.

One of the most common forms of Ignorantio Elenchi is the "Red Herring." A red herring is a deliberate attempt to change the subject or divert the argument from the real question at issue to some side-point; for instance, “Senator Jones should not be held accountable for cheating on his income tax. After all, there are other senators who have done far worse things.” Another example: “I should not pay a fine for reckless driving. There are many other people on the street who are dangerous criminals and rapists, and the police should be chasing them, not harassing a decent tax-paying citizen like me.” Certainly, worse criminals do exist, but that it is another issue! The questions at hand are (1) did the speaker drive recklessly, and (2) should he pay a fine for it?

A Ward/GGG fight is a significant fight. It may not bring the dollars other fights will, so it is understandable why Golovkin would want to back-burner it. But, it was a fight GGG was campaigning hard for as recently as early THIS YEAR, one he has mentioned often the last 2 years.

And as far as the P4P picture, one would be hard pressed to find a more important or bigger fight.

Here is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJhd1X5aFLE

[diddy]

When the fight does happen it will be marketed as the fight for P4P King. Meh who wants to see that garbage when you can see him fight a guy who lost to Alcine and Rubio instead!!!

[koolkc107]

When the fight does happen it will be marketed as the fight for P4P King. Meh who wants to see that garbage when you can see him fight a guy who lost to Alcine and Rubio instead!!!

Exactly, diddy.

It's like some of his fans DONT WANT him to test himself against great fighters.

Some folks are at constant war with reality when it comes to GGG.

Glad you aint one of them.

[Ian1973]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

I really think Ward doesn't fancy the Kovalev fight. Kovalev isn't smaller than Ward and I don't think Ward has the heart for that challenge.

I don't blame him to be honest Kovalev would knock Ward out I don't doubt that for a minute, too big, too strong and just as importantly very smart, patient and technically sound.

Golovkin on the other hand is the smaller man and psychologically Ward will feel comfortable that he can handle the power of ANY smaller man however special they look

That's my take on it anyway.

[koolkc107]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

I really think Ward doesn't fancy the Kovalev fight. Kovalev isn't smaller than Ward and I don't think Ward has the heart for that challenge.

I don't blame him to be honest Kovalev would knock Ward out I don't doubt that for a minute, too big, too strong and just as importantly very smart, patient and technically sound.

Golovkin on the other hand is the smaller man and psychologically Ward will feel comfortable that he can handle the power of ANY smaller man however special they look

That's my take on it anyway.

This thread has nothing to do with Sergei.

But, since you guys insist on ignoring the topic and trying to change it to one more to your liking, it is time for me to point out a few things.

We can draw a few conclusions from what a Ward/Kovalev fight would look like by looking at Kovalev/Hopkins.

But before folks start laughing about how easily Kovalev beat Bernard, chew on this.

Sergei was unable to KO BHop.
Sergei had trouble in spots getting to Bernard.
BHop clearly knew what he needed to do, but for whatever reason, could not pull the trigger.

Now, if you believe that at least part of BHop's problems with Kovalev involved age (and I do), then a fight with Ward is far from the walkover some try to say it is.

I think Ward beats Sergei. Tough fight? Sure, but Andre wins.

Younger, stronger, faster, harder hitting version of Bernard.

Remains uncrushed by the Krusher and is Kryptonite for Superman as well.

[Ian1973]

Why didn't Ward email Kovalev? 168 is closer to 175 than 160.

I really think Ward doesn't fancy the Kovalev fight. Kovalev isn't smaller than Ward and I don't think Ward has the heart for that challenge.

I don't blame him to be honest Kovalev would knock Ward out I don't doubt that for a minute, too big, too strong and just as importantly very smart, patient and technically sound.

Golovkin on the other hand is the smaller man and psychologically Ward will feel comfortable that he can handle the power of ANY smaller man however special they look

That's my take on it anyway.

This thread has nothing to do with Sergei.

But, since you guys insist on ignoring the topic and trying to change it to one more to your liking, it is time for me to point out a few things.

We can draw a few conclusions from what a Ward/Kovalev fight would look like by looking at Kovalev/Hopkins.

But before folks start laughing about how easily Kovalev beat Bernard, chew on this.

Sergei was unable to KO BHop.
Sergei had trouble in spots getting to Bernard.
BHop clearly knew what he needed to do, but for whatever reason, could not pull the trigger.

Now, if you believe that at least part of BHop's problems with Kovalev involved age (and I do), then a fight with Ward is far from the walkover some try to say it is.

I think Ward beats Sergei. Tough fight? Sure, but Andre wins.

Younger, stronger, faster, harder hitting version of Bernard.

Remains uncrushed by the Krusher and is Kryptonite for Superman as well.

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No.

[diddy]

When the fight does happen it will be marketed as the fight for P4P King. Meh who wants to see that garbage when you can see him fight a guy who lost to Alcine and Rubio instead!!!

Exactly, diddy.

It's like some of his fans DONT WANT him to test himself against great fighters.

Some folks are at constant war with reality when it comes to GGG.

Glad you aint one of them.

Because they know he will lose to Ward. Simple math.

[LGilsenan]

Honestly believe Ward beats GGG. Having said that I can completely see where K2 are coming from. Why would anyone throw away a more lucrative fight, move up a division too fight a tricky fighter. At this rate Ward is Low Reward High Risk compared to Lemieux then Cotto,Canelo.

[koolkc107]

Honestly believe Ward beats GGG. Having said that I can completely see where K2 are coming from. Why would anyone throw away a more lucrative fight, move up a division too fight a tricky fighter. At this rate Ward is Low Reward High Risk compared to Lemieux then Cotto,Canelo.

If I am advising GGG I certainly steer him to the bigger money too.

The problem is GGG has spent the last 2 plus years telling everyone who put a mike in front of him how much he wants Ward.

Only to find excuses each and everytime Andre called his bluff.

This is at least the 3rd time now.

[diddy]

We all know deep down he doesn't want the fight, can you blame him ?

He knows.
He knows.

[LGilsenan]

Honestly believe Ward beats GGG. Having said that I can completely see where K2 are coming from. Why would anyone throw away a more lucrative fight, move up a division too fight a tricky fighter. At this rate Ward is Low Reward High Risk compared to Lemieux then Cotto,Canelo.

If I am advising GGG I certainly steer him to the bigger money too.

The problem is GGG has spent the last 2 plus years telling everyone who put a mike in front of him how much he wants Ward.

Only to find excuses each and everytime Andre called his bluff.

This is at least the 3rd time now.

The worst thing is GGG just looks like a hypocrite, all we've heard for 2 years plus now is 'No-one world level wants to fight him' and now and elite level fighter in Ward the man he's been saying he'd beat comes along with what sounds like a fair offer and K2 turn it down.

[punchoutsb]

I think Ward would beat GGG with little trouble.

But it's interesting to me that GGG is now ducking Ward?

The math is that since GGG claims to want big fights, he's ducking Ward (in a different division) to instead fight Lemieux, a MW title holder.

But that same math somehow doesn't apply to Ward, who claims to want big fights but instead fights Paul Smith, a SMW stumble bum.

[ikorolev]

Honestly believe Ward beats GGG. Having said that I can completely see where K2 are coming from. Why would anyone throw away a more lucrative fight, move up a division too fight a tricky fighter. At this rate Ward is Low Reward High Risk compared to Lemieux then Cotto,Canelo.

If I am advising GGG I certainly steer him to the bigger money too.

The problem is GGG has spent the last 2 plus years telling everyone who put a mike in front of him how much he wants Ward.

Only to find excuses each and everytime Andre called his bluff.

This is at least the 3rd time now.

The worst thing is GGG just looks like a hypocrite, all we've heard for 2 years plus now is 'No-one world level wants to fight him' and now and elite level fighter in Ward the man he's been saying he'd beat comes along with what sounds like a fair offer and K2 turn it down.

He looks like a hypocrite to idiots. People with SOME brain understand that he gradually became a star and got fights he wants AT HIS OWN WEIGHT lined up. Now he doesn't need to go up or down to get good fights at least until he unifies.

[ikorolev]

We all know deep down he doesn't want the fight, can you blame him ?

He knows.
He knows.

That is true only partially. He and his team wantED that fight when they didn't have better options. Ward declined at that time. Now Gennady has better options and AT THIS TIME Golovkin's team doesn't want the Ward fight, so Ward needs to fight somebody else to come out of obscurity. That will change after Golovkin unifies MW belts if Ward will still be able to make 168.

[koolkc107]

If I am advising GGG I certainly steer him to the bigger money too.

The problem is GGG has spent the last 2 plus years telling everyone who put a mike in front of him how much he wants Ward.

Only to find excuses each and everytime Andre called his bluff.

This is at least the 3rd time now.

The worst thing is GGG just looks like a hypocrite, all we've heard for 2 years plus now is 'No-one world level wants to fight him' and now and elite level fighter in Ward the man he's been saying he'd beat comes along with what sounds like a fair offer and K2 turn it down.

He looks like a hypocrite to idiots. People with SOME brain understand that he gradually became a star and got fights he wants AT HIS OWN WEIGHT lined up. Now he doesn't need to go up or down to get good fights at least until he unifies.

No, he looks like a hypocrite to anyone who knows the definition of hypocrite:

The definition of a hypocrite is a person who pretends to have certain beliefs, attitudes or feelings when they really do not.

In this case, the belief, attitude and feeling is 2 years of telling folks you will fight anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes, only to find an excuse not to fight when challenged by someone who is a very real threat to either beat you or expose your flaws.

He wants Canelo and Cotto but wont fight Lara.
He wants Chavez Jr. or even Froch, but wont fight Ward, Groves or Dirrell.

Doesn't matter about the money (which I completely understand and don't blame him for). It is still saying one thing and doing another.

But, if he is fighting in October, and a Cotto/Canelo fight isn't taking place until May or June, that leaves a late January/early February fight as a possibility if indeed Golovkin wants to take on one of these folks.

But we all know he wont.

[ikorolev]

No, he looks like a hypocrite to anyone who knows the definition of hypocrite:

The definition of a hypocrite is a person who pretends to have certain beliefs, attitudes or feelings when they really do not.

In this case, the belief, attitude and feeling is 2 years of telling folks you will fight anyone in 3 or 4 weight classes, only to find an excuse not to fight when challenged by someone who is a very real threat to either beat you or expose your flaws.

He wants Canelo and Cotto but wont fight Lara.
He wants Chavez Jr. or even Froch, but wont fight Ward, Groves or Dirrell.

Doesn't matter about the money (which I completely understand and don't blame him for). It is still saying one thing and doing another.

Of course money matters. Golovkin's team has been saying that he will go up or down FOR A BIG MONEY FIGHT. Unpopular Ward doesn't qualify.

Also, only an idiot can't understand that situation changes. What a person would do 5 or even 2 years ago, he wouldn't do now. Golovkin wanted Ward fight two years ago, but Ward didn't want it. Now it is vice versa. It will likely change in 18 months: Golovkin will be available, but Ward will find reasons to duck.