Floyd is clearly not afraid of needles :)

[ikorolev]

What happened with the clean sport rhetoric ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=y ... pp=desktop

The original article:

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/9 ... rust-usada

[asdfjkl]

Interesting article, just wondering, how many Americans are involved and how many Europeans/Russians?

[koolkc107]

I guess Pac and Roach only have problems with LEGAL IVs when they get their arse whooped...

“I saw the IV in his arms, I saw the fresh IV marks. They hydrated him too late. He was dehydrated after the fight, I got the report in from the doctors, it was dehydration.”

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/wh ... o-step-up/

[ikorolev]

I guess Pac and Roach only have problems with LEGAL IVs when they get their arse whooped...

Do you mean "LEGAL" ?

Seven hundred and fifty milliliters equals 25.361 ounces, an amount equal to roughly 16 percent of the blood normally present in an average adult male.

The mixes themselves are not prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which sets the standards that USADA purports to follow. However, their intravenous administration is prohibited by WADA.

More specifically, the 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

This prohibition is in effect at all times that the athlete is subject to testing. It exists because, in addition to being administered for the purpose of adding specific substances to a person’s body, an IV infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.

[koolkc107]

I guess Pac and Roach only have problems with LEGAL IVs when they get their arse whooped...

Do you mean "LEGAL" ?

Seven hundred and fifty milliliters equals 25.361 ounces, an amount equal to roughly 16 percent of the blood normally present in an average adult male.

The mixes themselves are not prohibited by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which sets the standards that USADA purports to follow. However, their intravenous administration is prohibited by WADA.

More specifically, the 2015 WADA “Prohibited Substances and Methods List” states, “Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than 50 ml per 6 hour period are prohibited except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.”

This prohibition is in effect at all times that the athlete is subject to testing. It exists because, in addition to being administered for the purpose of adding specific substances to a person’s body, an IV infusion can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.

Stop grasping at straws, man.
Floyd was clean and had no unfair advantage in the fight.
And WADA had no jurisdiction in this fight, nor did USADA.
The sanctioning body in this professional fight was the NSAC.

According to records provided by the Nevada Athletic Commisison, each man gave 11 urine and eight blood samples. Among the special analyses given to the samples were Carbon Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry (CIR/IRMS) testing as well as tests to detect usage of EPO and human growth hormone.

Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.

Paquiao gave urine on March 14, 17, 23 and 24, April 1, 9, 16, 22 and 27 and May 1 and 2. Pacquiao gave blood samples on March 14, 17 and 24, April 1, 9, 16 and 22 and May 2.

Mayweather also applied for, and was given, a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) for rehydration purposes after the May 1 weigh-in. He took two separate mixes. The first was a mixture of 250 ml of saline and multi-vitamins. The second was a 500 ml mixuture of saline and Vitamin C. He was urine tested both before and after taking the solutions.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing/fl ... 00390.html

He was blood tested 11 days before the fight, and urine tested both 5 and 1 before the fight, with multiple urine samples taken on the 1st.

All came back clean even with (presumably) CIR/IRMS testing in WADA approved labs.

Think what you want, but the facts don't support any conclusion of wrongdoing.

[ikorolev]

Floyd was clean and had no unfair advantage in the fight.

Ha-ha-ha. Pocket ref, judges and athletic commission, but no unfair advantage.

... and he was just injected 3+ cups of liquid for fun, because there are way more effective ways to hydrate

[Ricky_]

Floyd was clean and had no unfair advantage in the fight.

Ha-ha-ha. Pocket ref, judges and athletic commission, but no unfair advantage.

... and he was just injected 3+ cups of liquid for fun, because there are way more effective ways to hydrate

You couldn't make it up...

The guy has a 'secret agreement' with the testing body on his payroll to break WADA banned methods and pump himself wuth 14x the legal limit of IVs, meanwhile the other guy is playing by the rules laid out and it's "not an advantage" ?

[koolkc107]

The samples are presumably frozen and still available for further testing.

If there is something to be found it will be, just as it was with Lance Armstrong and others.

If you are looking for Floyd to be found dirty, you will probably be waiting quite some time...

[Ricky_]

He was found to having received a banned method, not substance. Now there is also a question mark over red-flag T:E ratios we can see the documents of the CIR testing that disprove Hauser?

Everyone knows that part of the strategy of modern boxing is to balloon up in weight overnight to gain a weight advantage over your opponent. Floyd is enforcing WADA drug testing standards on his opponents but making secret agreements with his testers (USADA) to break them himself so he can rig himself up to IV drips 14x the legal limit and aid his rehydration weight-gain, in a way his opponent could not.

We also know that Floyd attempted to write in the contract that he could have a TUE accepted and it kept confidential (in that Pac & NSAC) would never be told about it. This was rejected by Pac's team, so they found a loophole meaning they could keep it quiet at least for 18 days.

You wonder though, Pac is the only guy in boxing who's had the star power to properly negotiate with Floyd, all these other middle of the road latino's like Maidana and Guerrero just agree to anything to get a shot at Floyd and a million-dollar purse. It's very likely they agree to all Floyd's terms. How many secret TUE's has Floyd been granted by USADA since he started using them? Every fight perhaps?

[koolkc107]

He was found to having received a banned method, not substance. Now there is also a question mark over red-flag T:E ratios we can see the documents of the CIR testing that disprove Hauser?

Everyone knows that part of the strategy of modern boxing is to balloon up in weight overnight to gain a weight advantage over your opponent. Floyd is enforcing WADA drug testing standards on his opponents but making secret agreements with his testers (USADA) to break them himself so he can rig himself up to IV drips 14x the legal limit and aid his rehydration weight-gain, in a way his opponent could not.

We also know that Floyd attempted to write in the contract that he could have a TUE accepted and it kept confidential (in that Pac & NSAC) would never be told about it. This was rejected by Pac's team, so they found a loophole meaning they could keep it quiet at least for 18 days.

You wonder though, Pac is the only guy in boxing who's had the star power to properly negotiate with Floyd, all these other middle of the road latino's like Maidana and Guerrero just agree to anything to get a shot at Floyd and a million-dollar purse. It's very likely they agree to all Floyd's terms. How many secret TUE's has Floyd been granted by USADA since he started using them? Every fight perhaps?

Your moronic posts keep stunning me with their ignorance.

23 ounces of liquid won't balloon anyone up in weight.
And there is no evidence that what Floyd did was not also available to Manny.
No one, not anyone, questioned DLH's use of an IV back when he fought Manny.
Boxers use then ALL the time.
But because Floyd used it, it is a problem?

It is important to note that USADA approved of Manny's Toradol shot; it was NSAC that blocked it.
And again, Floyd tested clean before and after the IV.

As to the T:E ratios, they may or may not indicate a problem.
It could be cheating or it could be perfectly normal explanations.
With all of Floyd's haters from all walks of life, I'm going to go with him being clean til I hear otherwise.

No way some hater in a lab wouldn't go public with it some kind of way...

[IKSRTFO]

He was found to having received a banned method, not substance. Now there is also a question mark over red-flag T:E ratios we can see the documents of the CIR testing that disprove Hauser?

Everyone knows that part of the strategy of modern boxing is to balloon up in weight overnight to gain a weight advantage over your opponent. Floyd is enforcing WADA drug testing standards on his opponents but making secret agreements with his testers (USADA) to break them himself so he can rig himself up to IV drips 14x the legal limit and aid his rehydration weight-gain, in a way his opponent could not.

We also know that Floyd attempted to write in the contract that he could have a TUE accepted and it kept confidential (in that Pac & NSAC) would never be told about it. This was rejected by Pac's team, so they found a loophole meaning they could keep it quiet at least for 18 days.

You wonder though, Pac is the only guy in boxing who's had the star power to properly negotiate with Floyd, all these other middle of the road latino's like Maidana and Guerrero just agree to anything to get a shot at Floyd and a million-dollar purse. It's very likely they agree to all Floyd's terms. How many secret TUE's has Floyd been granted by USADA since he started using them? Every fight perhaps?

Your moronic posts keep stunning me with their ignorance.

23 ounces of liquid won't balloon anyone up in weight.
And there is no evidence that what Floyd did was not also available to Manny.
No one, not anyone, questioned DLH's use of an IV back when he fought Manny.
Boxers use then ALL the time.
But because Floyd used it, it is a problem?

It is important to note that USADA approved of Manny's Toradol shot; it was NSAC that blocked it.
And again, Floyd tested clean before and after the IV.

As to the T:E ratios, they may or may not indicate a problem.
It could be cheating or it could be perfectly normal explanations.
With all of Floyd's haters from all walks of life, I'm going to go with him being clean til I hear otherwise.

No way some hater in a lab wouldn't go public with it some kind of way...

Because DLH was rightfully drained and dehydrated.


Why would a boxer who claims he walks around at fight weight need to rehydrate by taking over 10 times the allowable limit of fluids?

[Ricky_]

Your moronic posts keep stunning me with their ignorance.

23 ounces of liquid won't balloon anyone up in weight.
And there is no evidence that what Floyd did was not also available to Manny.
No one, not anyone, questioned DLH's use of an IV back when he fought Manny.
Boxers use then ALL the time.
But because Floyd used it, it is a problem?

It is important to note that USADA approved of Manny's Toradol shot; it was NSAC that blocked it.
And again, Floyd tested clean before and after the IV.

As to the T:E ratios, they may or may not indicate a problem.
It could be cheating or it could be perfectly normal explanations.
With all of Floyd's haters from all walks of life, I'm going to go with him being clean til I hear otherwise.

No way some hater in a lab wouldn't go public with it some kind of way...

What a screaming groupie, this bitch is hardcore.

Let me ask you, are you a doctor? A nutrionist? A sports scientist?

How exactly do you know how much benefit 750ml of IV saline & vitamin cocktail can or can't give? We know that fighters rehydrating in excess of 10+lb is common now a days, so pumping yourself full of IV is only going to aide that advantage you seek.

Infact using an IV to gain weight after cutting is a technique used by UFC fighters before they started using USADA n found over 50ml is banned by WADA. Heres an article on it before the FMJ story:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/6/26/88 ... y-mma-news

Also try using your friend Google. Regular hospital patients find themselves easily gaining over 9lb in water weight from basic Saline IVs.

But let's just clear up what you know about cutting weight Brut; nothing, squat, zilch, heehaw.

There is evidence it was not available to Pacquiao you idiot. It was banned. Hence the reason Floyd needed an "EXEMPTION" dumbass.

And nobody questioned DeLaHoya because DeLaHoya vs Pacquaio was not regulated by USADA/VADA. It was Floyd's fear if Pacquaio that instigated these extra standards in drug testing. He's been caught out by his own parameters.

[asdfjkl]

When I read the comments above I'm starting to realise why the lower divisions are so much more interesting for some parts of the world and are absolutely not interesting at all in other parts of the world.

To me it sounds like one massive cheating business, instead of a boxing match.
Cheating is something that's certainly not appriciated in some parts of the world, while other people feel amazing if they can say they are the best, even if they know they do it a cheating way.

[Emil]

It sure doesn't look good when you look at the bigger picture.
He had to use USADA and they have hardly caught any boxers compared to VADA.
He payed USADA way more than then he was supposed to.
He tells them when they can start the testing by delaying the announcements of the fights so he could still have the effects
of peds by fight night but they would be out of system and not show up in tests.
He had Memo Heredia hanging around in the camp (has all the fighters he has been involved with been against VADA?)
He used IV. It can dilute or mask the presence of another substance that is already in the recipient’s system or might be added to it in the near future.
Works for both PEDS and blood doping.
He has looked much bigger and stronger during the last years while at the same time have had some anger issues.

[koolkc107]

USADA rebutted pretty much everything Hauser (and all of you) are speculating about.

The complete pdf is in the thread I started titled pretty much the same as above.

I suggest all of you read it. Except Ricky.

Ricky, you get someone who can read AND comprehend to read it to YOU.

[ikorolev]

USADA rebutted pretty much everything Hauser (and all of you) are speculating about.

Did you expect them to accept that they were bribed by Floyd and that they treat fighters differently ?

[koolkc107]

USADA rebutted pretty much everything Hauser (and all of you) are speculating about.

Did you expect them to accept that they were bribed by Floyd and that they treat fighters differently ?

I expected them to reply to Hauser's speculation with facts.

And they did.

[ikorolev]

USADA rebutted pretty much everything Hauser (and all of you) are speculating about.

Did you expect them to accept that they were bribed by Floyd and that they treat fighters differently ?

I expected them to reply to Hauser's speculation with facts.

And they did.

How can one be so naive

That unconditional love to Floyd blinds you

[koolkc107]

I expected them to reply to Hauser's speculation with facts.

And they did.

How can one be so naive

That unconditional love to Floyd blinds you

What's naive?

Believing a guy with a track record of making unsubstantiated statements about a fighter?

Or an international organizations whose statements are readily verifiable, operates with complete transparency, and which has survived the strictest scrutiny?

I would say that facts trumps sentiment everyday of the week.

[davie]

How exactly do you know how much benefit 750ml of IV saline & vitamin cocktail can or can't give? We know that fighters rehydrating in excess of 10+lb is common now a days, so pumping yourself full of IV is only going to aide that advantage you seek.

Also try using your friend Google. Regular hospital patients find themselves easily gaining over 9lb in water weight from basic Saline IVs.

I'm no expert in rehydration and certainly no Floyd fanboy.
But are we seriously wetting our pants over 3/4 of a litre of water (1.65lbs in weight) for a man we know doesn't massively dehydrate/rehydrate for fights.

I also fail to see the point you're trying to make about people gaining 9lbs from IV when we know the exact volume that floyd used.

If the sporting drug authorities say you should only use 50mls and Floyd has surpassed that by 14x then he cheated. But if we think he has used it as a decisive advantage in winning his last two fights, in a sport when guys regularly rehydrate to 14 lbs over weigh in weight, then we're kidding ourselves.

I'm as dissapointed as the next man that Floyd has never ended face down sucking on canvas, but lets stop clutching straws and let the man enjoy his temporary retirement

[caldo2025]

What KC can't seem to grasp with this whole fiasco is they hypocrisy of it all. On the most innocent side of the spectrum, it was an unfair advantage. Floyd and his crew got caught red handed and filed the paperwork after the testing staff saw IV paraphilia. Floyd's "Medical Team" admitted then that they had given him IV therapy for "dehydration". This alone is damning.

Then we need to realistically look at the evidence and the behavior and there's something REALLY wrong here:

-38 year old guy performing at the highest level in his career. sniff sniff
-why does he wait so long to officially sign these contracts so that testing can being? sniff sniff
-why has he had horrible ratio's on previous tests? Sniff Sniff
-why didn't USADA follow up those horrible ratio's with a more aggressive test as they normally would? Sniff
-Why is USADA granting permission when they know full well, they don't have the authority to do anything like it? sniff
-Why has Floyd been such a crusader for USADA over these years and build the company's reputation and revenues? sniff
-Floyd was 3.5lbs away from weight 30 days from the fight so why would he be dehydrated?
-Why would Floyd take 15 times the legal IV limit unless he was trying to dilute something?
-Are we to assume that this is the first time Floyd's "Medical Team" converted his house to a hospital to administer IV's? sniff sniff
Yeah, it stinks to high heaven.

It reminds me of Whitey Bulger and the time is right for the reference. He was the best crook around and most successful? Why? Because he had people on the inside of law enforcement. Imagine the advantages you could have by controlling the very people that police you? Floyd was coached through this whole thing and it's going to come out eventually how dirty this man really was.

[Boxing Prospect]

When I read the comments above I'm starting to realise why the lower divisions are so much more interesting for some parts of the world and are absolutely not interesting at all in other parts of the world.

To me it sounds like one massive cheating business, instead of a boxing match.
Cheating is something that's certainly not appriciated in some parts of the world, while other people feel amazing if they can say they are the best, even if they know they do it a cheating way.

The lower weights don't have this political bull shit and wrangling that the diva's in the middle weight ranges do.

[koolkc107]

What KC can't seem to grasp with this whole fiasco is they hypocrisy of it all. On the most innocent side of the spectrum, it was an unfair advantage. Floyd and his crew got caught red handed and filed the paperwork after the testing staff saw IV paraphilia. Floyd's "Medical Team" admitted then that they had given him IV therapy for "dehydration". This alone is damning.

Then we need to realistically look at the evidence and the behavior and there's something REALLY wrong here:

-38 year old guy performing at the highest level in his career. sniff sniff
-why does he wait so long to officially sign these contracts so that testing can being? sniff sniff
-why has he had horrible ratio's on previous tests? Sniff Sniff
-why didn't USADA follow up those horrible ratio's with a more aggressive test as they normally would? Sniff
-Why is USADA granting permission when they know full well, they don't have the authority to do anything like it? sniff
-Why has Floyd been such a crusader for USADA over these years and build the company's reputation and revenues? sniff
-Floyd was 3.5lbs away from weight 30 days from the fight so why would he be dehydrated?
-Why would Floyd take 15 times the legal IV limit unless he was trying to dilute something?
-Are we to assume that this is the first time Floyd's "Medical Team" converted his house to a hospital to administer IV's? sniff sniff
Yeah, it stinks to high heaven.

It reminds me of Whitey Bulger and the time is right for the reference. He was the best crook around and most successful? Why? Because he had people on the inside of law enforcement. Imagine the advantages you could have by controlling the very people that police you? Floyd was coached through this whole thing and it's going to come out eventually how dirty this man really was.

Just read the USADA reply. The exact circumstances (which are readily verifiable independently) are in there.

[Ricky_]

How exactly do you know how much benefit 750ml of IV saline & vitamin cocktail can or can't give? We know that fighters rehydrating in excess of 10+lb is common now a days, so pumping yourself full of IV is only going to aide that advantage you seek.

Also try using your friend Google. Regular hospital patients find themselves easily gaining over 9lb in water weight from basic Saline IVs.

I'm no expert in rehydration and certainly no Floyd fanboy.
But are we seriously wetting our pants over 3/4 of a litre of water (1.65lbs in weight) for a man we know doesn't massively dehydrate/rehydrate for fights.

I also fail to see the point you're trying to make about people gaining 9lbs from IV when we know the exact volume that floyd used.

If the sporting drug authorities say you should only use 50mls and Floyd has surpassed that by 14x then he cheated. But if we think he has used it as a decisive advantage in winning his last two fights, in a sport when guys regularly rehydrate to 14 lbs over weigh in weight, then we're kidding ourselves.

I'm as dissapointed as the next man that Floyd has never ended face down sucking on canvas, but lets stop clutching straws and let the man enjoy his temporary retirement

750ml. This isn't drinking liquid. It's drugs directly injected into the blood stream.750ml is close to 20% of the bodies entire blood volume for a man Floyd's size.

[koolkc107]

I'm no expert in rehydration and certainly no Floyd fanboy.
But are we seriously wetting our pants over 3/4 of a litre of water (1.65lbs in weight) for a man we know doesn't massively dehydrate/rehydrate for fights.

I also fail to see the point you're trying to make about people gaining 9lbs from IV when we know the exact volume that floyd used.

If the sporting drug authorities say you should only use 50mls and Floyd has surpassed that by 14x then he cheated. But if we think he has used it as a decisive advantage in winning his last two fights, in a sport when guys regularly rehydrate to 14 lbs over weigh in weight, then we're kidding ourselves.

I'm as dissapointed as the next man that Floyd has never ended face down sucking on canvas, but lets stop clutching straws and let the man enjoy his temporary retirement

750ml. This isn't drinking liquid. It's drugs directly injected into the blood stream.750ml is close to 20% of the bodies entire blood volume for a man Floyd's size.

It isn't drugs, you nitwit.

It's friggin' pedialyte!!!!!

Jeeezzz!