USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT

[Pureist]

You didn't answer how they can call a partial test a pass, so in reality he wasn't tested BEFORE the IV and want tested until about 8 that night which would be plenty of time for the IV to do its work and mask, they also didn't mention ANYTHING in their rebuttal about floyds previous TE ratios, why would that be when they want to stamp drugs out and according to you he is clean, 25 pages and they didn't cover that, a point they couldn't refute due to the test results shown for everyone to see, face facts kooli your pin up boy talks clean but plays dirty, exactly the same as lance Armstrong did, took them years to get him, the same will happen to fluid maskingweather, at the moment he is The Best Evader but that will change, by the way that last answer of yours was terribly weak kooli, I expected better, after all the fiasco that USADA has tried to talk itself out of, I don't know if anyone could trust then, VADA seems to have an exceptional strike rate compared to USADA, USADA still haven't given any kind of reason behind what the emergency IV was for, what a joke

[Ricky_]

You didn't answer how they can call a partial test a pass, so in reality he wasn't tested BEFORE the IV and want tested until about 8 that night which would be plenty of time for the IV to do its work and mask, they also didn't mention ANYTHING in their rebuttal about floyds previous TE ratios, why would that be when they want to stamp drugs out and according to you he is clean, 25 pages and they didn't cover that, a point they couldn't refute due to the test results shown for everyone to see, face facts kooli your pin up boy talks clean but plays dirty, exactly the same as lance Armstrong did, took them years to get him, the same will happen to fluid maskingweather, at the moment he is The Best Evader but that will change, by the way that last answer of yours was terribly weak kooli, I expected better, after all the fiasco that USADA has tried to talk itself out of, I don't know if anyone could trust then, VADA seems to have an exceptional strike rate compared to USADA, USADA still haven't given any kind of reason behind what the emergency IV was for, what a joke

Indeed Pureist. 1 of the most serious criticisms aimed at USADA over this scandal is that they are dishing out TUEs like they are dog biscuirs when in fact they should be rare, reserved only for medical emergencies.... they haven't even bothered to defend themselves on this front. It's almost like a shrug of the shoulders because Mr. Mayweather's piss was dark....

[koolkc107]

Time for a common sense/reality check, since there seems to be an attack of lunacy going around.

Of course they can test a partial sample.

The same folks who claim you can't trust the results from a partial sample would cry to God, Heaven, and Beelzebub if the results from the partial came back dirty only to have USADA and WADA ignore it because a full sample wasn't collected.

The carbon isotope ratio test was done on ALL the samples. They came back negative.

Case closed.

And while some of you Mensa candidates are at it, give me a good answer to this one:

Why would an organization which gets millions every year for it's integrity risk that reputation for $150K protecting one of THE MOST HATED figures in sports?

I'll wait....

[Pureist]

Perfectly easy to answer kooli, it has no integrity, why did it get paid so much more for this fight, money buys TUEs obviously, an athlete can't be sanctioned without a b sample, they can test a part sample but there is no point, I see that common sense isn't so common when it comes to you

[koolkc107]

Perfectly easy to answer kooli, it has no integrity, why did it get paid so much more for this fight, money buys TUEs obviously, an athlete can't be sanctioned without a b sample, they can test a part sample but there is no point, I see that common sense isn't so common when it comes to you

No integrity? That all you got?

Allow me to illustrate how thin that contention really is.

The same organization which blew BALCO off the face of the earth, a scandal that reached into various different athletic areas...

The same organization which spent years taking down an American icon and hero with a personal worth of 125 million dollars AND
put at risk his cancer foundation (an entity that saved lives) worth a half billion dollars...

That same organization that never compromised, never asked for bribes or payoffs from Armstrong, or Mosley, or Bonds, or Marion Jones or a host of other popular and/or celebrated athletes...

That same organization is going to risk 8 to 10 million a year AND it's reputation to cover up dirty tests for a misogynistic, convicted batterer who is so hated that he has made a King's Ransom from folks buying his fights JUST to see him get his ass kicked?

Ok, if you say so...

[Pureist]

The same organisation that hands TUEs out like lollies, the same organisation that can't explain why floyd wasn't taken to hospital for the IV, the same organisation that didn't even try and explain floyds low TE ratio and the same organisation that obviously didn't follow up the low TE ratio with further tests, I realise your an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand but really try and smell the roses, they stink in fluid maskingweathers camp

[koolkc107]

The same organisation that hands TUEs out like lollies, the same organisation that can't explain why floyd wasn't taken to hospital for the IV, the same organisation that didn't even try and explain floyds low TE ratio and the same organisation that obviously didn't follow up the low TE ratio with further tests, I realise your an ostrich with your head stuck in the sand but really try and smell the roses, they stink in fluid maskingweathers camp

What part of "passed all carbon isotope ratio testing" are you missing?

Anything he was trying to mask would have been detected as CIR testing would exposed synthetic testosterone.

And that goes for previous fights as well, going back to Mosley

CIR testing was done on all samples

No need to question the T:E ratio either- anything that could have been found would have been found.

[Pureist]

And the only one to believe that cir testing was actually done is the same organisation that hasn't caught any fighters, funny how VADA catches people but USADA doesn't, anyone with half a brain knows what those TE ratios mean, USADA also knows and that's why they didn't touch on it in their rebuttal, floyd threw mega bucks at pacquaio in that law suit so the truth wouldn't come out, pacquaio wanted VADA for their fight but floyd insisted on USADA, pretty obvious why

[Pureist]

The issue of blood doping goes hand-in-hand with EPO. Blood doping is all about timing and, again, being clever. The risk of detection is much lower when EPO is used long before a race, but you want those high levels of red blood cells. The solution? When the blood is chock full of red cells, some of it can be taken and stored until it’s time to race.
Why go to all that trouble? EPO, like all proteins, breaks down naturally over time. Many serum proteins are short-lived, and in the case of EPO its half life is only 5 hours. That means that after a few hours a blood sample will have lower concentrations of detectable EPO. In a few days, EPO is completely undetectable. Put the blood back in, and you get the benefits of the additional red blood cells with lower levels of EPO.
Blood doping is often used in conjunction with saline IVs, which Armstrong is alleged to have used as well. When Armstrong knew he was not going to be able to simply avoid the testers, and felt his blood levels might give him away, he would flush a liter of saline through his system. This has the advantage of diluting the banned substances to more normal levels. You have to remember almost all the substances Armstrong has admitted to using are naturally produced in the body. You don’t have to remove all traces, just make things look passable. Interesting read ostrich, floyd hasn't announced his fights of last until the last possible time, that would also fit this article well don't you think

[koolkc107]

LMAO!!!!

This is what happens when folks make a conscious decision to ignore their own common sense.

Again, USADA will readily expose popular, likeable athletes...but the one who adopted a villain persona and is thought to actually be some of those things is protected at all costs.

Blood doping makes absolutely no sense for Floyd. Blood doping's effects are short term (like you posted, it's all about timing), so it is useless as a cheat when not training. In training, it would be detected by the constant and random testing- you did take note of how often the fighters were tested, didn't you?

And by the way, you do realize you saying VADA is so much better than USADA is a dead give away on how uninformed you are, don't you?

Number one, only 2 more boxers have been caught testing under VADA than USADA. But if you are talking about TOTAL ATHLETES caught, the numbers aren't even close.

[Pureist]

LMAO!!!!

This is what happens when folks make a conscious decision to ignore their own common sense.

Again, USADA will readily expose popular, likeable athletes...but the one who adopted a villain persona and is thought to actually be some of those things is protected at all costs.

Blood doping makes absolutely no sense for Floyd. Blood doping's effects are short term (like you posted, it's all about timing), so it is useless as a cheat when not training. In training, it would be detected by the constant and random testing- you did take note of how often the fighters were tested, didn't you?

And by the way, you do realize you saying VADA is so much better than USADA is a dead give away on how uninformed you are, don't you?

Number one, only 2 more boxers have been caught testing under VADA than USADA. But if you are talking about TOTAL ATHLETES caught, the numbers aren't even close.

1st, USADA don't do random tests as admitted in the rebuttal, they do scheduled tests with great windows of time to top up and not be detected, 2nd VADA has only covered a handful of fights compared to USADA and have a much better strike rate, you need to get your story right ostrich

[Ricky_]

LMAO!!!!

This is what happens when folks make a conscious decision to ignore their own common sense.

Again, USADA will readily expose popular, likeable athletes...but the one who adopted a villain persona and is thought to actually be some of those things is protected at all costs.

Blood doping makes absolutely no sense for Floyd. Blood doping's effects are short term (like you posted, it's all about timing), so it is useless as a cheat when not training. In training, it would be detected by the constant and random testing- you did take note of how often the fighters were tested, didn't you?

And by the way, you do realize you saying VADA is so much better than USADA is a dead give away on how uninformed you are, don't you?

Number one, only 2 more boxers have been caught testing under VADA than USADA. But if you are talking about TOTAL ATHLETES caught, the numbers aren't even close.

1st, USADA don't do random tests as admitted in the rebuttal, they do scheduled tests with great windows of time to top up and not be detected, 2nd VADA has only covered a handful of fights compared to USADA and have a much better strike rate, you need to get your story right ostrich

Owned.

Ps has usada even caught a single boxer admist the TUEs they are sellin'?

[koolkc107]

LMAO!!!!

This is what happens when folks make a conscious decision to ignore their own common sense.

Again, USADA will readily expose popular, likeable athletes...but the one who adopted a villain persona and is thought to actually be some of those things is protected at all costs.

Blood doping makes absolutely no sense for Floyd. Blood doping's effects are short term (like you posted, it's all about timing), so it is useless as a cheat when not training. In training, it would be detected by the constant and random testing- you did take note of how often the fighters were tested, didn't you?

And by the way, you do realize you saying VADA is so much better than USADA is a dead give away on how uninformed you are, don't you?

Number one, only 2 more boxers have been caught testing under VADA than USADA. But if you are talking about TOTAL ATHLETES caught, the numbers aren't even close.

1st, USADA don't do random tests as admitted in the rebuttal, they do scheduled tests with great windows of time to top up and not be detected, 2nd VADA has only covered a handful of fights compared to USADA and have a much better strike rate, you need to get your story right ostrich

The bolded above is called "a lie of omission". Being intentionally deceptive by leaving out a pertinent detail.
The italicized above is a blatant lie and definitely an example of you, Purist, talking out of your anus.

You saw the testing dates for the May 2nd fight. Show us all where the "great windows of time" are.
And before you go to the "Floyd cheats during his periods in between training camps" lie that Hauser invented,
explain how, if that is the case, is Mayweather's ABP (Athlete Biological Passport) still valid and affirmed?

https://elb.wada-ama.org/en/what-we-do/ ... l-passport

What do you call testing that the boxers do not know is coming in advance?

Most of us call that random.

To be fair to you, Purist, USADA did not call it that in their rebuttal. And, they did indeed object to Hauser's use of the word "random".
But, you are misinterpreting the rebuttal. Their objection was to Hauser's characterization, not any admission the athletes know what is coming.

Here is the excerpt:

Also, USADA does not conduct “random” testing. Rather, in accordance with the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) International
Standard for Testing and Investigations (ISTI), testing is carried out pursuant to a strategic testing plan to maximize deterrence and
detection.

They call it a strategic testing plan. It is unannounced, unpredictable, and complete.

This is from WADA's ISTI:

3.6 Pyramid Testing Model of deterrence and detection

Unpredictability is the cornerstone of an effective testing strategy. Why?
It works against cheating athletes, because it limits the ability to modify their doping schedule,
and for clean athletes, who view variability as protecting clean sport.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... pt2015.pdf

Get your facts together before you post next time, Purist.

VADA has "caught" 3 boxers and at least 2 of those have been dubious, enough so that trainers and other boxing folks are not using them as often.
USADA has caught one boxer.

Notice anything peculiar about the 3 VADA caught vs the one USADA caught? I'll tell you.
All 3 boxers VADA caught have resumed their careers, some even exonerated
The one that USADA caught has never fought again.

And tell your pompom girl Pretty Ricky that THIS is what owning someone looks like.

[Ricky_]

Wait.... so, firstly, you call pureist a "liar" because he stated that USADA don't do "random" testing.

In your rebuttle you actually quite this, from USADA themselves:

"Also, USADA does not conduct “random” testing."

Who were you owning Brut, yourself?





Nonito Donaire subscribes to proper Olympic random style drug testing 365 days a year, and ge doesn't use that sham of a company USADA.

[koolkc107]

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Wait.... so, firstly, you call pureist a "liar" because he stated that USADA don't do "random" testing.

In your rebuttle you actually quite this, from USADA themselves:

"Also, USADA does not conduct “random” testing."

See folks, this is what happens when teachers just pass students on to the next grade without actually teaching them anything.

Pretty Ricky never got "Hooked on Phonics" and clearly flunked any reading comprehension course he ever took.

Please, the next time there's a referendum to increase taxes for education where you live...vote YES!

[Ricky_]

That's several times now you've claimed I can't read, or comprehend what I am reading, and each time you seem to raise your game on the comedy front. That last effort was a real side splitter. If your day job of defending Floyd's honour on internet forums doesn't work out you should consider stand-up.

[Pureist]

Ostrich, if it isn't random which USADA admitted themselves, wouldn't you say strategic would be scheduled, they know when they are testing the fighters, that is scheduled, epo is undetectable after 10-12 hours, epo works long after it's been taken, athletes also juice up on epo and take blood out, only to replace their own blood closer to event time, you need to pick up your game ostrich, now gaps that floyd had, March 19- March 28, 8 day gap, March 13- March 18, 4 day gap, march 28- April 2, 4 day gap, April 2-April 10, 7 day gap, April 10- April 15, 4 day gap, April 15- April 21, 5 day gap, April 21- April 27, 5 day gap, plenty of time to top up ostrich, and the original reason USADA gave for the IV that they have steered away from now that floyd couldn't give a full sample, why didn't they just take a blood sample

[Pureist]

And here is the winning ticket!!!!!!!!!The Athlete's first attempt to provide a sample produced less than the minimum requirement of 90ml of urine (this is known as a "partial sample"). The Athlete therefore placed the collection vessel on the floor, adjusted her clothes and placed the cover on the container. She was then told to wait in the waiting room. At this point, the DCOA was required to deal with the Athlete's partial sample in accordance with Annex F of the WADA International Standards of Testing ("IST") and the partial sample collection procedure contained in the 2011 IAAF AntiDoping Regulations (the "2011 Regulations"). CAS 2014/A/3487
The relevant provisions of Annex F and the 2011 Regulations are set out in detail below (see paragraphs 72 and 82-83). In short, the Regulations require an athlete who has provided a partial sample to select special partial sample collection equipment. Having done so, the athlete should then be instructed to open the relevant equipment, pour the partial sample into the container and seal it as directed by the DCOA. The DCOA should then verify, in full view of the athlete, that the container has been properly sealed. While waiting to provide an additional sample, the athlete should remain under continuous observation and be given the opportunity to hydrate. Once the athlete is able to provide an additional sample, they should be provided with a fresh collection vessel and instructed to provide a sample into that container. Once sufficient urine has been collected, the DCO and athlete should check the integrity of the seal on the partial sample vessel containing the first insufficient sample. Any irregularity in that seal should be recorded. The DCO must then direct the athlete to break the seal to that container and to combine the samples.------------------------------------------------so floyd only has to pee a couple of drops into the 1st container, gets given an IV of 750ml of fluid, waits as long as he can so the IV does its job, pees in the second container, MIXES the 2 containers and YAHOO, has a sample that PASSES, beat that ostrich------------- Google WADA urine sample guidelines section 7.3, great reading, gee USADA are shifty, hey what about floyds "white daddy", don hale who owns 20 testosterone clinics over America, can't wait for your reply

[koolkc107]

Ostrich, if it isn't random which USADA admitted themselves, wouldn't you say strategic would be scheduled, they know when they are testing the fighters, that is scheduled, epo is undetectable after 10-12 hours, epo works long after it's been taken, athletes also juice up on epo and take blood out, only to replace their own blood closer to event time, you need to pick up your game ostrich, now gaps that floyd had, March 19- March 28, 8 day gap, March 13- March 18, 4 day gap, march 28- April 2, 4 day gap, April 2-April 10, 7 day gap, April 10- April 15, 4 day gap, April 15- April 21, 5 day gap, April 21- April 27, 5 day gap, plenty of time to top up ostrich, and the original reason USADA gave for the IV that they have steered away from now that floyd couldn't give a full sample, why didn't they just take a blood sample

Your whole little tantrum about the days between test leave out on tiny detail- the boxers being tested didn't know the schedule. For all they knew, the DCOs could show up the next day. And that not knowing is why they couldn't risk any underhanded things even if they wanted to, which I doubt in any case.

Post some links about how long EPO takes to clear someone's system, how long the effects last, and anything you have on alleged blood doping by Mayweather.

When you can't, it will be evident to all what I already know...you are talking out of your ass.

And btw, post recent studies, not some crap from 2001.

Good luck..

[koolkc107]

And here is the winning ticket!!!!!!!!!The Athlete's first attempt to provide a sample produced less than the minimum requirement of 90ml of urine (this is known as a "partial sample"). The Athlete therefore placed the collection vessel on the floor, adjusted her clothes and placed the cover on the container. She was then told to wait in the waiting room. At this point, the DCOA was required to deal with the Athlete's partial sample in accordance with Annex F of the WADA International Standards of Testing ("IST") and the partial sample collection procedure contained in the 2011 IAAF AntiDoping Regulations (the "2011 Regulations"). CAS 2014/A/3487
The relevant provisions of Annex F and the 2011 Regulations are set out in detail below (see paragraphs 72 and 82-83). In short, the Regulations require an athlete who has provided a partial sample to select special partial sample collection equipment. Having done so, the athlete should then be instructed to open the relevant equipment, pour the partial sample into the container and seal it as directed by the DCOA. The DCOA should then verify, in full view of the athlete, that the container has been properly sealed. While waiting to provide an additional sample, the athlete should remain under continuous observation and be given the opportunity to hydrate. Once the athlete is able to provide an additional sample, they should be provided with a fresh collection vessel and instructed to provide a sample into that container. Once sufficient urine has been collected, the DCO and athlete should check the integrity of the seal on the partial sample vessel containing the first insufficient sample. Any irregularity in that seal should be recorded. The DCO must then direct the athlete to break the seal to that container and to combine the samples.------------------------------------------------so floyd only has to pee a couple of drops into the 1st container, gets given an IV of 750ml of fluid, waits as long as he can so the IV does its job, pees in the second container, MIXES the 2 containers and YAHOO, has a sample that PASSES, beat that ostrich------------- Google WADA urine sample guidelines section 7.3, great reading, gee USADA are shifty, hey what about floyds "white daddy", don hale who owns 20 testosterone clinics over America, can't wait for your reply

Again, you need to provide a link to your "winning ticket" so we know you aren't fudging anything, taking it out of context, or other idiocy you have proven quite capable of.

And while you are at it, give us links to Mayweather's steroid friend too.

Again, whatever you can't link, I am going to feel free to assume is BS.

All that being said, at least some of this is not mutually exclusive to what is said to have happened.
There was talk about partial samples being collected, if not the procedural specifics.

I took the liberty of going to WADA's site to look up their most updated protocol- in this case, from October 2014 (not the obsolete/superceded one from 2011 which you cited in your post).

I found the following passage on page 29:

Subject to the color or the initial Testing of any residue of the Athlete’s partial urine Sample, the
Athlete should be advised if further hydration is appropriate or not, to avoid providing a Sample
that doesn’t have a Suitable Specific Gravity for Analysis.

https://wada-main-prod.s3.amazonaws.com ... 1.0_en.pdf

That sounds an awful lot like what Floyd and USADA said happened.

I'm just sayin...

LMAO!!!!!

[Pureist]

Good try but no cigar ostrich, specific gravity only related to dilution of urine, your NOT allowed to hydrate if it's too diluted, not floyds problem, he obviously waited as long as he could before giving his second part of 1 sample

[Ricky_]

Can we rename this thread "Pureist OWNS kool/brut point-by-point" ?

[DA GOOSE]

Lol @ Pureist the obsession continues.

[Pureist]

Lol @ Pureist the obsession continues.

How's your Aussie THREAD going at Shitland stifflers mum, still hating all Aussie boxers

[bogan whisperer]

Lol @ Pureist the obsession continues.

The sheer irony of you pointing the finger at someone for having an obsession