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[King Carlos]

I actually thought Leonard/Benitez was even wider than Seamus scored it. I've watched it multiple times and my opinion hasn't changed. Leonard outclassed Benitez. I've never understood this line of thinking that the fight was so close.

Granted, I do think Benitez should've been allowed to finish on his feet. Stoppage was pretty weak.

[elmersalsa]

I actually thought Leonard/Benitez was even wider than Seamus scored it. I've watched it multiple times and my opinion hasn't changed. Leonard outclassed Benitez. I've never understood this line of thinking that the fight was so close.

Granted, I do think Benitez should've been allowed to finish on his feet. Stoppage was pretty weak.

I don't understand why people in this forum give the great Sugar Ray Leonard much clout. That fight was a very close contest. The Radar made Sugar Ray miss and had some great rounds of his own. I was crying that Sugar Ray took so much time to finish him. I believe that the stoppage was good. If the round finished with Wilfred on his feet after the knockdown, Ray would've have won in my book by UD. The second knockdown was the clincher for Sugar Ray, but, he had to struggle for it. It was not easy.

[scartissue]

Finally got around to re-watching and scoring Lockridge-Pedroza I. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 9: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 10: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 11: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 13: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 14: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

145-143 Pedroza

Very close fight, but Pedroza was fortunate to have the WBA's house referee Stanley Christodolou working that fight. There are many referees who would have taken points from Pedroza for those repeated low-blows. Christodolou just repeated throughout 'keep them up', which was pointless. Still, great fight.

[elmersalsa]

Finally got around to re-watching and scoring Lockridge-Pedroza I. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 9: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 10: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 11: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 13: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 14: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

145-143 Pedroza

Very close fight, but Pedroza was fortunate to have the WBA's house referee Stanley Christodolou working that fight. There are many referees who would have taken points from Pedroza for those repeated low-blows. Christodolou just repeated throughout 'keep them up', which was pointless. Still, great fight.

Thank you...Maybe you're not American biased!

[scartissue]

Finally got around to re-watching and scoring Lockridge-Pedroza I. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 2: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 6: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 9: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 10: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 11: 10-9 Lockridge
Round 12: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 13: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 14: 10-9 Pedroza
Round 15: 10-9 Lockridge

145-143 Pedroza

Very close fight, but Pedroza was fortunate to have the WBA's house referee Stanley Christodolou working that fight. There are many referees who would have taken points from Pedroza for those repeated low-blows. Christodolou just repeated throughout 'keep them up', which was pointless. Still, great fight.

Thank you...Maybe you're not American biased!

Elmer, I have no agenda, I just call them the way I see 'em. BTW, I would still like to see your card on Buchanan - Suzuki.

[elmersalsa]

Ken Buchanan vs Guts Ishimatsu

Round 1: Buchanan
Round 2: Suzuki
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Suzuki
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Buchanan
Round 8: Buchanan
Round 9: Suzuki
Round 10: Buchanan
Round 11: Even
Round 12: Suzuki
Round 13: Suzuki
Round 14: Suzuki
Round 15: Suzuki

A tough fight to score, really. Even though that in Japan you got to kill to win, but, this time, Guts pulled it off down the stretch. He deserved the win in my view. Great fight, one of the best lightweight championship bouts that not too many people talk about.

[elmersalsa]

Suzuki won 145-143 on points and 7-6-2 in rounds. Now, that was a close fight!

[scartissue]

Ken Buchanan vs Guts Ishimatsu

Round 1: Buchanan
Round 2: Suzuki
Round 3: Even
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Suzuki
Round 6: Even
Round 7: Buchanan
Round 8: Buchanan
Round 9: Suzuki
Round 10: Buchanan
Round 11: Even
Round 12: Suzuki
Round 13: Suzuki
Round 14: Suzuki
Round 15: Suzuki

A tough fight to score, really. Even though that in Japan you got to kill to win, but, this time, Guts pulled it off down the stretch. He deserved the win in my view. Great fight, one of the best lightweight championship bouts that not too many people talk about.

Suzuki won 145-143 on points and 7-6-2 in rounds. Now, that was a close fight!

Elmer, I'm a little confused on your tally. You actually show it as 7-4-4. But regardless, it was a very close fight.

[Seamus]

Chris John vs Rocky Juarez I

R1.10-9 RJ
R2.10-9 RJ
R3.10-9 CJ
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 CJ
R6.10-9 CJ
R7.10-9 CJ
R8.10-9 CJ
R9.10-9 CJ
R10.10-9 CJ
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 CJ

Chris John 118-112

Chris John vs Rocky Juarez II

R1.10-9 CJ
R2.10-9 CJ
R3.10-9 CJ
R4.10-9 CJ
R5.10-9 CJ
R6.10-9 CJ
R7.10-9 CJ
R8.10-10
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 RJ
R11.10-9 RJ
R12.10-9 RJ

Chris John 117-113

Chris John vs Derrick Gainer

Gainer wins the 1st rd 10-8 on a knockdown and I called the final rd even. Everything else I scored for John 10-9
Chris John 118-110

Don't know why some guys don't rate Chris John too highly, the guy was a real battler who never stopped throwing punches. Ironically I had him winning the drawn first bout with Juarez by a wider margin then the second bout that he won decisively on the cards.

[scartissue]

Curtis Parker - Mustafa Hamsho I

Just had a discussion on ESB with Salsanchez about this fight. We're in agreement that it is a tough fight because there is a bit of mauling, but a good fight nonetheless that most would enjoy. Real hard action. We both scored it for Parker but agree there were some swing rounds there. Would love to hear anyone else's scorecard on this one. You won't be disappointed. Anyways, here we go.

Round 1: Parker
Round 2: Hamsho
Round 3: Hamsho
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Parker
Round 6: Parker
Round 7: Parker
Round 8: Parker
Round 9: Even
Round 10: Parker

Total: 6-2-2 Parker

[crl333]

1. Parker
2. Hamsho
3. Hamsho
4. Even
5. Even
6. Parker
7. Parker
8. Even
9. Even
10. Parker
4-2-4 Parker
Lot of close rounds, good match up

[scartissue]

Don't know if anyone has had a look at this one. The Ken Norton-Jimmy Young fight. Haven't watched it since it took place in the late '70s. I recall having Young just knicking it at the time. Today, it's no different. A nightmare on how close some of these rounds are. Very subjective and obviously it could go either way, but here ya go.

Round 1: 10-9 Young
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Young
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Norton
Round 6: 10-9 Norton
Round 7: 10-9 Norton
Round 8: 10-9 Young
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Young
Round 11: 10-9 Norton
Round 12: 10-9 Young
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-9 Young
Round 15: 10-9 Norton

145-144 Young

Man, 4 even rounds. I never have 4 even rounds. But it would be a disservice to a fighter to try to come up with a winner of a round just so you don't have an even round. And these rounds were that close. A fight that close one cannot have a problem with it going either way, as long as the judges scored it close, which they did.

[scartissue]

Here is an oldie for us from the '67 heavyweight tournament. Ernie Terrell vs. Thad Spencer. This one came to my attention from RedCobra on another site when he mentioned a 5th round knockdown scored by Terrell. I knew of no such knockdown by Terrell only the one scored by Spencer. But rather than just watch the 5th round I watched and scored the fight as well. BTW, that was as perfect a knockdown as one could score, but for whatever reason, the ref did not score it as such. Maybe he was at a bad angle, but Spnecer's body language on the canvas was self-explanatory. The ref blew it. Anyways, it wouldn't have effected the outcome and here is how I saw it.

Round 1: 10-9 Terrell
Round 2: 10-8 Spencer (Spencer scored a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-10 Even
Round 4: 10-9 Spencer
Round 5: 10-9 Terrell (should be 10-8 but the ref disallowed the knockdown)
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Terrell
Round 8: 10-9 Spencer
Round 9: 10-9 Spencer
Round 10: 9-8 Spencer (I scored the round 10-9 Terrell, but the ref deducted 2 points from him for low blows)
Round 11:10-9 Spencer
Round 12: 10-9 Spencer

116-111 Thad Spencer

[Ambling Alp II]

This was a bit of an upset in the tournament.
Does seem like the ref didn't like Terrell too much.

[scartissue]

Here's one I've wanted to do for awhile. Never saw it before, so I wanted to sit down with pen and paper. The controversial John Conteh-Jesse Burnett light heavyweight fight over 10 rounds. Here we go.

Round 1: Burnett (scored a knockdown)
Round 2: Burnett
Round 3: Conteh
Round 4: Even
Round 5: Conteh
Round 6: Conteh
Round 7: Burnett
Round 8: Burnett (scored a knockdown)
Round 9: Conteh
Round 10: Burnett

In rounds I had it 5-4-1 Burnett, but I'm not sure of British scoring as it wasn't announced. Moreover, i don't know if they score extra points for a knockdown. Round 3 & 4 were very close and I can see anyone scoring an even round in the 3rd or either way in the 4th. Burnett did appear to be robbed, but if anyone can elaborate on the British scoring it would be helpful.

[forestbox]

Cleverly v fonfara

116-113 fonfara what a fight!!

[scartissue]

Here's one that has gotten a lot of action. Haven't looked at past posts on this but here's Holmes-Witherspoon.

Round 1: 10-9 Holmes
Round 2: 10-9 Holmes
Round 3: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Holmes
Round 6: 10-9 Holmes
Round 7: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 8: 10-9 Holmes
Round 9: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 10: 10-9 Holmes
Round 11: 10-9 Witherspoon
Round 12: 10-10 Even

116-114 Holmes

When this took place I recall scoring it 7-4-1 for Holmes. Now I have it 6-4-2 for Holmes. My scoring hasn't changed that much in 30 years.

[Counter-puncher]

Hey scar tissue. Don't know if I mentioned before, but I watched, again, Chucho Castillo - Herrera, which I first looked up having seen your post on this thread. Great, great fight, two skillful fighters who were both hard as nails. Thanks (possibly again)

[scartissue]

No prob, Counter. Would have loved to have seen their first fight also. Herrera was always so strong and so punch resistant that it seems implausible that he could have been taken out in that manner. However, if one watches their second fight you can see that you can't slip up in any way against Castillo or that counter comes over the top. They were simply two massive performers and along with fighters like Olivares, Lara, Gomez, Rudkin, Pimental, Martinez, etc., one can see the depth 118 had back in the day.

[elmersalsa]

Thomas Hearns vs Wilfred Benitez. Hearns' fast jab was the key of the whole fight. Benitez couldn't do nothing with it. It was on target. Even though he broke his hand, The Hitman dominated Benitez. He outboxed the boxer. He showed that he could box and had great ring generalship. He won comfortably. Plus, he gave The Radar vicious shots to the body.
This is how I scored it:
1...Even (10-10)
2...Hearns (10-9)
3...Hearns (10-9)
4...Even (9-9)...One point deduction for Hearns for hooking. He was winning the round.
5...Hearns (10-8)
6...Hearns (10-9)
7...Benitez (10-9)
8...Benitez (10-9)
9...Benitez (10-8)...Was it really a knockdown, or Hearns was off balanced? Anyway, the judges ruled it a knockdown in favor of Benitez. Benitez is back into the fight.
10...Hearns (10-9)
11...Hearns (10-9)
12...Hearns (10-9)
13...Benitez (10-9)
14...Hearns (10-9)
15...Hearns (10-9)

Winner and new WBC World Super Welterweight Champion: Thomas Hearns! 144-139. Or 9-4-2 in rounds, deservedly for Hearns. He fought an intelligent and very tactical fight. One of his greatest wins of his career.

[Seamus]

I watched it live and think I had it 147-140 for Hearns. Don't remember the pt deduction, but then it's been awhile. Also didn't give Benitez a 10-8 rd for a very iffy knockdown.

[elmersalsa]

Hearns beat Benitez way better than Sugar Ray did.

[scartissue]

Here's a damn good fight from 1978 in Madison Square Garden. Bennie Briscoe vs. Vito Antuofermo. New York rules on a rounds basis.

Round 1: Even
Round 2: Briscoe
Round 3: Vito
Round 4: Briscoe
Round 5: Vito
Round 6: Briscoe
Round 7: Vito
Round 8: Briscoe
Round 9: Vito
Round 10: Vito

5-4-1 Vito Antuofermo

As you can see by the score this was back and forth and I had it a lot closer than the official scores. On mine everything hinged on the final round, which Vito pulled out on the tiring Briscoe. Right at the end I could hear the ringside announcer mention he had Briscoe taking it. I think his score and my score properly reflect how close this fight was as opposed to the official scores, which I believe to be 7-3, 7-2-1 and 6-3-1 all for Vito. I like Vito but this was close.

[Ambling Alp II]

That was a big win for Vito. It got him in line for the shot at Corro for the title. He loses to Briscoe and he doesn't get that shot. There are many important non-title fights like this that we often overlook.

[scartissue]

I saw youtube had the third bout between Ruben olivares and Bobby Chacon and had to watch it. Never saw it before but always heard the decision was controversial. Here we go, California used the 10 point must system for this bout.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Chacon (Chacon scored a knockdown - even this knockdown was controversial but I thought it was legit)
Round 3: 10-9 Chacon
Round 4: 10-9 Chacon
Round 5: 10-9 Olivares
Round 6: 10-9 Olivares
Round 7: 10-9 Olivares
Round 8: 10-9 Chacon
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Olivares

Total - 96-95 Chacon

Official scores were 96-94, 98-93 and 98-92 all for Chacon. Haven't a clue what fight Rudy Jordan and Lou Fillipo were watching. Only John Thomas was reasonable with his 96-94. This was a damn close fight and as you can see Chacon won it on my card only by virtue of the knockdown. If someone else says he had Olivares ahead, I wouldn't bat an eye.