Why Lemieux can beat Golovkin

[johnswan1]

Golovkin simply different class to Lemieux.

His jab and footwork combined had Lemieux looking like a T-Rex whenever he tried to throw.

Lemieux's tactics were disappointing, as reckless as it sounds I think his best chance of winning would have been in trying to drag GGG into a toe to toe war from the off rather than allow him to settle behind the jab.

Fantastic patient boxing performance from GGG. The only shots Lemieux landed were when GGG got a little too greedy.

Disappointing that Lemieux was unable to really test the chin but huge props to GGG for showing more of his boxing ability to completely negate the biggest strength of his opponent.

At the moment I just don't see anybody being a real threat to GGG- not Canelo, definitely not Cotto. Lee is probably the most likely of them all to land a big shot on GGG but even that fight would likely be another mismatch.

[Datsue]

Golovkin simply different class to Lemieux.

His jab and footwork combined had Lemieux looking like a T-Rex whenever he tried to throw.

Lemieux's tactics were disappointing, as reckless as it sounds I think his best chance of winning would have been in trying to drag GGG into a toe to toe war from the off rather than allow him to settle behind the jab.

Fantastic patient boxing performance from GGG. The only shots Lemieux landed were when GGG got a little too greedy.

Disappointing that Lemieux was unable to really test the chin but huge props to GGG for showing more of his boxing ability to completely negate the biggest strength of his opponent.

At the moment I just don't see anybody being a real threat to GGG- not Canelo, definitely not Cotto. Lee is probably the most likely of them all to land a big shot on GGG but even that fight would likely be another mismatch.

Lee just isn't physically robust enough or defensively tight enough to last any rounds, imo. The only way he could get to the second half of the fight would be via constant back-pedalling.

I thought Lemieux might have a chance if he gave it the ol' kamikaze try but after about ten seconds he was in "bravely cowardly" mode (please excuse the scare-quotes, I don't think the guy's a coward at all, it's just he entered into the age-old "silent contract" of "I've got too much pride to just roll over but I'm just gonna do my best to prevent me getting knocked out too early").

Couldn't believe he went into such a big fight without a game-plan at all.

[Tanzio]

That said, I see a lesser level Hitman v Hagler scenario with 3G playing the Hagler role and stopping Lemieux in the third in an all action affair.

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

[reggaereggae]

That said, I see a lesser level Hitman v Hagler scenario with 3G playing the Hagler role and stopping Lemieux in the third in an all action affair.

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

I think Datsue has the best round up of the fight. Lemieux realised very early he wasn't going to win and both accepted the unspoken contract of 'Don't make me look too bad..... I will lose to you. But let's just play the game and we can pretend I tried to win"

[crow]

Good post.
I believe the reason the odds are so stacked against Lemieux is Golovkin's combination of great chin + ring generalship, which allows him to pace himself nicely while forcing his opponent to expend twice the energy by keeping away.

Macklin alluded to that.

Lemieux does tire after 6, and so, i expect a GGG 8th rd stoppage if Lemieux is clever enough not to go balls out right from the start and get knocked out in 3 rds.

Well well....

[crusader]

That said, I see a lesser level Hitman v Hagler scenario with 3G playing the Hagler role and stopping Lemieux in the third in an all action affair.

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

Lemieux backed off and seemed initimidated almost instantly, before Golovkin established his jab. To me it looked like he was trying be evasive and score points occasionally by sticking and moving, but he doesn't have the tools to accomplish that at a world class level. Unfortunetly I think that along with being intimidated he may have bought into the idea that he shouldn't come forward and be aggressive against a puncher, which many people seem to believe even though it's clearly false in my view. GGG's jab and footwork were important factors that helped keep Lemieux at range, but in my opinion David was capable of doing better and would have probably had more success if he were more willing to try to close the distance.

[palooka]

Lemieux V Curtis Stevens would be good.

[Aaronide_ger]

That said, I see a lesser level Hitman v Hagler scenario with 3G playing the Hagler role and stopping Lemieux in the third in an all action affair.

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

Golovkin was just as "Not tired" As chocolatito in his fight with Lemieux, I dont know where u based that. He is the only fighter from the current generation that I think could easily last 15 World championship rounds.

[Tanzio]

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

Lemieux backed off and seemed initimidated almost instantly, before Golovkin established his jab. To me it looked like he was trying be evasive and score points occasionally by sticking and moving, but he doesn't have the tools to accomplish that at a world class level. Unfortunetly I think that along with being intimidated he may have bought into the idea that he shouldn't come forward and be aggressive against a puncher, which many people seem to believe even though it's clearly false in my view. GGG's jab and footwork were important factors that helped keep Lemieux at range, but in my opinion David was capable of doing better and would have probably had more success if he were more willing to try to close the distance.

3G established the jab immediately. It was impressive that Lemieux was able to take the neck snapping jab, let alone a perfect shot while on a knee.

I can't believe that people think that Lemieux didn't want to get inside. Easy to say from outside the ropes. Lemieux is competitive with anyone else in the division. 3G is two levels ahead of all of them. That does not mean he can't be beat but it will take someone coming up to do it I believe.

[Tanzio]

You don't ask for much, do you?

3G came out and impaled LeMieux on his jab from the outset. Although I was wrong about it being a three round war, it was an amazing exhibition of clinical boxing by 3G.

I can't believe people actually think that Lemieux came in without a game plan. 3G simply eliminated any plan Lemieux could bring to the table with that perfect jab and tremendous defense. Lemieux tried to get inside but he has the arm length of a lightweight at best (I do not believe the official stats on it).

3G is just THAT good. He was a GOAT matador v a game bull with sharp but stunted horns. Throwing that many solid jabs is very difficult. That is the only possible Achilles Heal that I noticed - 3G appeared to be laboring a bit between rounds after the fourth due to the level of activity his gameplan called for

3G was at least as impressive as Chocolatito last night, except that The Nicaraguan wasn't even breathing hard in the end.

Golovkin was just as "Not tired" As chocolatito in his fight with Lemieux, I dont know where u based that. He is the only fighter from the current generation that I think could easily last 15 World championship rounds.

Review the fight with special emphasis on between rounds. I am confident that you will see what I mean.

I do think that Viloria hurt Chocolatito worse than Lemieux damaged 3G but I think that 3G fought more cautiously.

[crusader]

3G established the jab immediately. It was impressive that Lemieux was able to take the neck snapping jab, let alone a perfect shot while on a knee.

I can't believe that people think that Lemieux didn't want to get inside. Easy to say from outside the ropes. Lemieux is competitive with anyone else in the division. 3G is two levels ahead of all of them. That does not mean he can't be beat but it will take someone coming up to do it I believe.

GGG's jab contributed to Lemieux not fighting on the inside but I think Lemiuex's own choices were a factor too. From the go he was consistently moving back and laterally even when he didn't have the jab in his face, and on the occasions when he did move forward without a jab coming at him he failed to sustain an attack and instead quickly started moving out back after a punch or two, which just put him closer to the end of GGG's jab. To me he clearly looked intimidated and I think it negatively impacted his performance, even though he probably wouldn't have come close to winning anyway.

[Tanzio]

3G established the jab immediately. It was impressive that Lemieux was able to take the neck snapping jab, let alone a perfect shot while on a knee.

I can't believe that people think that Lemieux didn't want to get inside. Easy to say from outside the ropes. Lemieux is competitive with anyone else in the division. 3G is two levels ahead of all of them. That does not mean he can't be beat but it will take someone coming up to do it I believe.

GGG's jab contributed to Lemieux not fighting on the inside but I think Lemiuex's own choices were a factor too. From the go he was consistently moving back and laterally even when he didn't have the jab in his face, and on the occasions when he did move forward without a jab coming at him he failed to sustain an attack and instead quickly started moving out back after a punch or two, which incidentally just put him closer to the end of GGG's jab. To me he clearly looked intimidated and I think it negatively impacted his performance, even though he probably wouldn't have come close to winning anyway.

I thought he did his best. He took a ton of shots from 3G. His beard should never be questioned again.

3G was so relentless with the jab that even if he refrained from using it Lemieux was expecting it.

[Bobbyptsd]

I was wrong in my reading of this fight, beforehand. I really thought Lemieux was going to get caught coming in and stopped early.

That work with the jab was frightening.

[tiny_acres]

The fight took a little longer than I expected.But it was the exact result Most of us thought
it would be. Lemieux gave his best he is just not in GGG's league.
This fight should have never been on PPV.
It was a mismatch from the time it was announced.

Sugar coat it however you want.It was not ever going to be competitive.

[Bobbyptsd]

The fight took a little longer than I expected.But it was the exact result Most of us thought
it would be. Lemieux gave his best he is just not in GGG's league.
This fight should have never been on PPV.
It was a mismatch from the time it was announced.

Sugar coat it however you want.It was not ever going to be competitive.

"But David Lemieux was one of the world champions!"

[crow]

It was competitive in the sense Golovkin was forced to box more, and to constantly use the jab to avoid getting hit; he wasn't engaging in toe to toe action as we're accustomed seeing him.

When 2 punchers collide, it doesn't always translate into a firefight. See Jones Jr vs Toney and Hopkins.

Lemieux came to survive instead of trying to win.

I wouldn't rule out him picking another belt in the next 2 years.

[Datsue]

Lemieux came to survive instead of trying to win.