Canelo says Golovkin must fight him at 155lb catch-weight

[Like a Boss]

Now I have heard it all:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/10/can ... ch-weight/?

Canelo says Golovkin must fight him at 155lb catch-weight

If IBF/IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (34-0, 31 KOs) wants to face Mexican star Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (45-1-1, 32 KOs) in 2016 or later, he’s going to need to agree to fight him at a catch-weight of 155 pounds, because that’s the weight that Canelo wants the fight to take place at.

Believe it or not, the 25-year-old Canelo feels that he’s not a true 160lb fighter yet, even though he rehydrates to as high as 175lbs for his fights at 155lbs. That’s 15 pounds over the 160lb middleweight limit. It’s very peculiar that Canelo doesn’t want to fight Golovkin at 160, because Canelo actually weighs more than Golovkin after he rehydrates.

It doesn’t make sense for Canelo not to face Golovkin at 160, because it has to hurt his performance having to drain down in weight 20 pounds to get to the 155lb catch-weights that he’s fighting at.

“If he [Golovkin] wants to fight with me, let him come down to 155 and I’ll fight him whatever day he wants,” Canelo said to spam.com.

If Canelo defeats WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto in their HBO pay-per-view fight on November 21st at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, then Canelo will need to vacate the WBC 160lb title he gets.

Canelo will not be able to force Golovkin, the WBC #1 mandatory challenger, to come down to 155 in order to get a title shot against him. Canelo can only force his opponents to fight him at that weight if it were a voluntary defense of the title, not a mandatory defense. If Canelo says ‘you have to fight me at a 155lb catch-weight or no fight,’ then Golovkin can basically laugh at him and tell him to get lost.

The World Boxing Council would then strip Canelo of his WBC title by not facing Golovkin at 160. However, I don’t think Canelo has any real intentions of holding onto the WBC middleweight title anyway if he beats Cotto. I see him vacating that belt the next day rather than face Golovkin or be put in the position where the WBC strips him of the belt after he tries to get Golovkin to dehydrate down to 155 in order to gain an edge against him.

[kidbazooka1]

Nothing new here.

Bosses call shots GGG is the B side of that equation, he better get use to it if he wants to face Canelo or Cotto.

[Tarkus]

Canelo can fornicate off. Just leave the 160 belt behind for 160 fighters. 155 pounds, what a joke.

[Like a Boss]

Canelo can eff off. Just leave the 160 belt behind for 160 fighters. 155 pounds, what a joke.

[Cyclops]

To be fair though he IS too small for MW. Both him and Cotto are. It's stupid that Cotto is the lineal champ. It's obvious he is not a MW. Everybody should see that title as a joke. Canelo is a barrelly little guy and if he weighs more than GGG it is deceptive. He looked about the same size as Mayweather when they stood next to each other promoting their fight. He is not a big guy. No matter how much you spin it it is a one sided beat down of a midget and why would Cotto or Canelo want to get smashed up? It's true. Both of them are JMW really and not big ones either. Stumpy little blokes. I know shorter guys have competed at cruiser and even heavy, but they were naturally big men. Time to leave MW which is a joke. I used to get angry and say why is he still in this crappy division chasing mismatches with dwarfs, but then he was mandated to fight the winner of this and he got his unification (with a slightly bigger short guy who could make JMW) so it seemed fair enough to stick around. NOw's the time to fornicate it off, if Canelo and Cotto are threatening to take their ball and go home. They basically admit they'll lose. Fine. We knew that. What's the point of unifying titles if it's for vacant belts? Who will be there to fight? People won't take a certain, painful loss. They want to believe they can win. Onwards and upwards.

[Syntax Error]

I wish Alvarez & Cotto would just drop down to 154 & stop ruining the history of one of boxing's most celebrated divisions.

Failing that, maybe the alphabettys could invent a new 155lb weight class just for Canelo & Cotto to fight in & then they can fight each other twice a year until one of them retires!

[keirw]

The sanctioning bodies need to grow a pair and put and end to all this catchweight nonsense, a middle weight title fight should take place within the middle weight limit, not the limit set by one of the fighters.
If Canelo wants to enter the ring at 155 then thats his choice, but GGG should be free to come in at anything under 160.
If Canelo doesn't want to fight against a middle weight, he should stay at light/junior middle/super welter/ whatever we are supposed to call it nowadays.

[Tarkus]

To be fair though he IS too small for MW.

How? He drains himself like crazy and still cant make 154. Then he rehydrate well above 170. How is he not a middleweight. He is short but he definitely has a body of a middleweight. Or are you saying he is fat? Imagine if he did not drain and weighed in 160 he would be even bigger, certainly bigger then Golovkin on the day of the fight.

[Cyclops]

To be fair though he IS too small for MW.

How? He drains himself like crazy and still cant make 154. Then he rehydrate well above 170. How is he not a middleweight. He is short but he definitely has a body of a middleweight. Or are you saying he is fat? Imagine if he did not drain and weighed in 160 he would be even bigger, certainly bigger then Golovkin on the day of the fight.

He's not the size of a middle weight. People prattle on about Golovkin being a small MW and yet he will be significantly bigger head to head. Go and google Canelo vs Mayweather they look about the same size. He has a big trunk which is unfortunate for him because with his other proportions he is better suited to Welter. You're telling me he'd hang with guys like Hopkins, Pavlik, Jermain Taylor, Abraham. Heck, even prime Edison Miranda is probably too big for Canelo at MW. He will get beaten up if he fights Golovkin. I know everybody wants GGG to get his big fight and his payday, but does ANYBODY think Canelo/Cotto will win? Neither do they!

[kidbazooka1]

You guys can bitch and moan all you want but this is nothing knew the stars call the shots, Dlh, Floyd and Pacquiao have all done it aswell.

GGG brings nothing to the table for Canelo or Cotto.

Shiit at 24 Canelo has already faced and beaten better comp than a 34 yr old Golovkin.

Boxing is business Canelo can do as he pleases he's the cash cow around the division. If GGG and his ppl dont like it then move on to guys like ward and kovalev who would all be equal B sides to GGG.

[Tarkus]

clopixolacuphase
You cant always go on the looks. When GGG fought Rosado everyone said Rosado was a small man. But look at them on the ring, Rosado looks humongous. Canelo is a middle weight who drains himself extremely to fight small men, like so many others do today. Will he be successful at his natural weight class? That remains to be seen. Chavez Jr and Broner failed while Craword is doing great so far. That doesn mean he is somehow welterweight, because he beats guys while having 7-8 pound advantage.

BTW he is the same height as Abraham, yet Arthur is fighting as SMW for a long time now. Height makes weight class not.

[Cyclops]

clopixolacuphase
You cant always go on the looks. When GGG fought Rosado everyone said Rosado was a small man. But look at them on the ring, Rosado looks humongous. Canelo is a middle weight who drains himself extremely to fight small men, like so many others do today. Will he be successful at his natural weight class? That remains to be seen. Chavez Jr and Broner failed while Craword is doing great so far. That doesn mean he is somehow welterweight, because he beats guys while having 7-8 pound advantage.

BTW he is the same height as Abraham, yet Arthur is fighting as SMW for a long time now. Height makes weight class not.

i know height doesn't make a weight class. That's why I was using the example of shorter cruiser heavyweights (dwight qawi Mohammed by the way, 5'6")but he's not that big. He's not the same height as Abraham. Abraham used to get listed at 5'10 I think before he got officially measured at 5'9". I don't care that Canelo's listed at 5'9". He's not. There are plenty of pictures of mayweather face to face with Canelo where he actually looks a little bit shorter but for his quiff. I'm going with 5'7", OK? And that's being generous to Mayweather. They are blatantly not the same size, him and Abraham.

We can agree to disagree. I don't agree, ok?

[greg]

..the only logic I understand is that if it's about a mandatory defense and you fight for a title, don't gimme that catchweight BS...

[Tarkus]

We can agree to disagree. I don't agree, ok?

No, lets agree that you agree with me.

Whats wrong with you? I am just having a conversation. I thought that was the purpose of a forum. Dont replay if you dont want and it will be all over. No need throw a tantrum. Its not that I am stalking you or anything.

[johnswan1]

You guys can bitch and moan all you want but this is nothing knew the stars call the shots, Dlh, Floyd and Pacquiao have all done it aswell.

Do you think they will say after Cotto-Canelo that Canelo new he would become the knew champion of the world?

[Bard of Boxrec]

To be fair though he IS too small for MW.

Hmm

[caldo2025]

You guys can bitch and moan all you want but this is nothing knew the stars call the shots, Dlh, Floyd and Pacquiao have all done it aswell.

GGG brings nothing to the table for Canelo or Cotto.

Shiit at 24 Canelo has already faced and beaten better comp than a 34 yr old Golovkin.

Boxing is business Canelo can do as he pleases he's the cash cow around the division. If GGG and his ppl dont like it then move on to guys like ward and kovalev who would all be equal B sides to GGG.

Idiotic statements and obviously a GGG hater. Why don't you leave the conversation to the impartial people that bring some useful to the conversation.

[Badhusker]

Its just Canelo (and DLH) way of saying they don't want to fight GGG. Cotto will do the same BS if he wins. Its ok though if they want to be chickenshits. It would be like Floyd or Pac (or insert another name) taking the 154 belt at 149 and demanding every fight after be fought there. Catchweights are BS, and have no place in boxing. Going from 8 to 17 weights should have solved that. If the fight between Cotto and Canelo is close, they will rematch anyway, and the belt will go to GGG.

GGG will get the belt one way or another, which is what he wants. His drawing power will grow, and 154 lbers will move up. Lara is better than Canelo or Cotto anyway, and he is willing. We have Charlo brothers, Andrade, Trout, etc that will move up too.

[Cyclops]

To be fair though he IS too small for MW.

Hmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS12p0Zqlt0

[Cyclops]

We can agree to disagree. I don't agree, ok?

No, lets agree that you agree with me.

Straight from 'the Office'. What? I don't agree with you. If he thought he was big enough to fight at MW, he'd be fighting MW's. He's not. He's fighting Cotto who, while holding the MW championship, has stated he is not a MW and fights below the MW limit. I think it was more about fighting and beating Martinez. They're not MW's, and the title is meaningless in their hands. I can see this annoying people, but it's only the truth. GGG is a small MW, right? When he wanted to chase Mayweather that's what people said. He can make 154. I don't think he can. I think he beats Canelo and Cotto easy. I don't think that's a lie, or a stupid opinion. You share that opinion, right? The only way somebody is in with a chance against GGG is if they are durable and that means bigger guys. I don't have much hope for those guys who are on the smaller side. Canelo has never fought at MW. He's not a MW. I know we want GGG to have a meaningful fight. I think this is a big payday for him, but it's going to be pretty one sided. It's not like fighting Mayweather, where you get touched up and bank a few million losing on points. You're going to get mangled. Therefore, you only fight this kid if you think you've got a chance. The only chance Canelo figures he has is if he drains him. That's it.

[Boxing Prospect]

Let the WBC order purse bids and go from there with their standard contract. In open negotiating a real could be struck for a catchweight but at the purse not stage I suspect it's much more difficult. Also the two guys are the same size anyway, in fact Canelo might be the heavier man in the ring

[Tarkus]

We can agree to disagree. I don't agree, ok?

No, lets agree that you agree with me.

Straight from 'the Office'.

There you see, we agree on something.

I dont care so much if GGG fight Canelo as I care about having one champion per division. I never said Canelo should fight Golovkin. I said that he need to vacate the belt, if he wins it in the first place. In fact, I think Canelo should not fight GGG at this moment. Instead he needs to move up in 160 and take couple of fight to get acclimated in the division. Lets see if he beats Lemieux for example. And only after that he can go for the number one guy.

[caldo2025]

Pretty disappointing comment coming from Canelo. I was just telling someone yesterday how I was hoping that Canelo gets the win versus Cotto because it was the only way GGG would be able to fight the winner. Not only is Canelo putting the cart in front of the horse assuming he'll be victorious over Cotto but he just proved he's just like Cotto...afraid of GGG.

If I'm Golovkin, I gradually work my weight down to see how he feels around the 155 mark. If GGG can make 160 pretty comfortably then he can definitely make it to 155. He may be a little sucked out but powering up quickly is down to a science for these athletes and their doctor teams.

155 is going to be where the money is. If people still avoid him down there then screw it. Just keep knocking people out at 160 and banking scooch

[ikorolev]

Canelo is pathetic. I hope his Mexican fans will give him hard time for being such a pu$$y. "His body is not ready ..." His body weighs more in the ring than Golovkin's and he walks heavier than Golovkin.

P.S. If he accepts that he is no match to Golovkin at MW, he just needs to drop the belt and let the deserving man to have it.

[johnswan1]

Tell you what, what will people think if Canelo beats Cotto and then says "I'm not a Middleweight and neither was Cotto" and then gives up his Middleweight title and continues his career as a Light Middle.

Nobody gives Canelo a shot against GGG anyway, so why the hell would he move up to fight him as a Middleweight and disadvantage himself if he is not claiming to be the Middleweight champ and can still make Light Middle?

Cotto is a scumbag for holding onto the title and staking his claim as the Middleweight champ despite never having fought a 160 lb opponent. If Canelo were to give up the title and stay at Light Middle I for one would not hold it against him. And in fact, it would be the smart thing for him to do.