who u picking in dec bryant jennings or luis ortiz ??

[donking]

who you picking and why in dec on hbo bryant jenning or luis ortiz ?

[PredatorHayds]

Jennings wide points decision.

[asdfjkl]

I expect Jennings to win as well, but in some other topic I saw a lot of people expecting Ortiz to win. A few weeks ago I even saw someone claiming Ortiz would also win against Anthony Joshua. Now I don't know Ortiz that well, but for what I've seen I'm not that impressed at all.

[Aaronide_ger]

Joshua is still Green. I would give everyone in the Top5 bigger chance than 50% to beat him at the moment, If Ortiz beats Jennings convicingly he will become a top gun in the heavyweight division.

[Boxing Prospect]

The Cuban is criminally underrated, and I think we've only seen a glimpse of his ability.

[Tony1244]

Jennings decision. Ortiz is a good, but lazy and slow fighter.

[asdfjkl]

Joshua is still Green. I would give everyone in the Top5 bigger chance than 50% to beat him at the moment, If Ortiz beats Jennings convicingly he will become a top gun in the heavyweight division.

Then I wonder who your top 5 is actually.

I don't expect Ortiz to beat Jennings either btw.

[Leonid]

Its a pretty nice and close match-up. If Jennings can stay active enough to steal the rounds maybe he can edge it. The cuban is skilled but lazy and the KO is unlikely both ways.
I hope the winner of this (WBA interim chap) fights the winner of Chagaev vs Brown (WBA regular chap) to determine a deserving OP for the real crown. Seems like the only logical thing, but maybe that's just too much to ask of the org and the promoters.

[Aaronide_ger]

Joshua is still Green. I would give everyone in the Top5 bigger chance than 50% to beat him at the moment, If Ortiz beats Jennings convicingly he will become a top gun in the heavyweight division.

Then I wonder who your top 5 is actually.

I don't expect Ortiz to beat Jennings either btw.

Klitscko
Fury
Povetkin
Wilder
Jennings

[asdfjkl]

Joshua is still Green. I would give everyone in the Top5 bigger chance than 50% to beat him at the moment, If Ortiz beats Jennings convicingly he will become a top gun in the heavyweight division.

Then I wonder who your top 5 is actually.

I don't expect Ortiz to beat Jennings either btw.

Klitscko
Fury
Povetkin
Wilder
Jennings

TBH, I see Anthony Joshua winning against Fury, Wilder and Jennings right now.

[dominik]

Jennings has good defense and is Slick but he can be outworked.

Perez was up 5-1 rounds on all Cards after the first half but then gassed and lost pretty much all rounds. perez is probably a Little better boxer than Ortiz but if Ortiz brings gas for 12 rounds he can outwork Jennings and win.

[Aaronide_ger]

TBH, I see Anthony Joshua winning against Fury, Wilder and Jennings right now.

The jennings that showed up against Klitschko will get a close UD if not a little wide against AJ... Joshua is still VERY inxperienced.. he is still green for me in the Pro level. He has never ever gone above 3 rounds in 14 professional bouts, putting him against a guy like Jennings that gave Klitschko a hell of a fight and has WAY better resume than AJ and you can see what could happen next..

Aint no way he can defeat Tyson Fury AT THE MOMENT, Tyson is so underrated for me its just irritating that people cant see his boxing skills and talent.. He has a good pop His jab is AMAZING he is fast on his feet for such a huge guy and has good brains in the ring (Except the fight with Cunningham when he was out of control haha). Fury will be too much for AJ... AJ hasnt faced ANYONE near the level of Fury.

Wilder well I guess he has a better chance against him than anyone in this list, but still Wilder is more experienced, he has gone 12 rounds against a world champion (Stiverne) and he himself is rangy and Tall.. Still I would favor him against AJ AT THE MOMENT.

Anthony has a chance to become something VERY big in the heavyweight division, but at this moment he doesnt have the experience to defeat any of those guys, Give him guys like White (Great matchup) then step up against the likes of Chisora-Erkan Teper to see how he responds, then if he COMPLETELY destroys those guys, I would give him a very good chance against Wilder-Jennings and even Povetkin (Fury is a league above for me, and IM not British I am from Greece, I am not being biased)

[closer]

Jennings is super average and struggled v perez who isnt world level, not saying Ortiz is but he'd probably KO Jennings within the first 6, I wasent impressed with his performance v wlad either.

Also the list someone put for top heavyweights I disagree with, mine would be

Klit
Povetkin
Joshua
Fury
Wilder

[asdfjkl]

TBH, I see Anthony Joshua winning against Fury, Wilder and Jennings right now.

The jennings that showed up against Klitschko will get a close UD if not a little wide against AJ... Joshua is still VERY inxperienced.. he is still green for me in the Pro level. He has never ever gone above 3 rounds in 14 professional bouts, putting him against a guy like Jennings that gave Klitschko a hell of a fight and has WAY better resume than AJ and you can see what could happen next..

Aint no way he can defeat Tyson Fury AT THE MOMENT, Tyson is so underrated for me its just irritating that people cant see his boxing skills and talent.. He has a good pop His jab is AMAZING he is fast on his feet for such a huge guy and has good brains in the ring (Except the fight with Cunningham when he was out of control haha). Fury will be too much for AJ... AJ hasnt faced ANYONE near the level of Fury.

Wilder well I guess he has a better chance against him than anyone in this list, but still Wilder is more experienced, he has gone 12 rounds against a world champion (Stiverne) and he himself is rangy and Tall.. Still I would favor him against AJ AT THE MOMENT.

Anthony has a chance to become something VERY big in the heavyweight division, but at this moment he doesnt have the experience to defeat any of those guys, Give him guys like White (Great matchup) then step up against the likes of Chisora-Erkan Teper to see how he responds, then if he COMPLETELY destroys those guys, I would give him a very good chance against Wilder-Jennings and even Povetkin (Fury is a league above for me, and IM not British I am from Greece, I am not being biased)

There simply isn't better competition. 5 out of his last 6 matches were boxrec top 100 opponends.
Deontay Wilder hasn't even faced 5 top 100 opponends in his entire life and neither has Tyson Fury (unless you count Chisora double).

This while AJ has indeed only fought 14 matches yet and KOed those 5 with an avarage of less then 2 rounds.
Anthony Joshua hasn't done anything else as overwelming all expectations in his fights.
AJ is really pretty much asking for more rounds, but if nobody can do it, then what can he do about it.
The only option without any risk that can stand for 10 rounds I see is Sherman Williams.
Kevin Johnson was expected to do the job, but turned out to be lucky to make it to the second round.

[Aaronide_ger]

Are you kidding me? Then how Fury and Wilder are ranked #3 and #4 While AJ is ranked #16? Lol Im done.

[asdfjkl]

Are you kidding me? Then how Fury and Wilder are ranked #3 and #4 While AJ is ranked #16? Lol Im done.

Because they have fought more persons already. Jennings is better as Tarver right? Still Tarver is ranked higher.
About a year ago Anthony Joshua wasn't even ranked at all, but do you really think he would have lost againt the rank 1000? Ofcourse he wouldn't, he just couldn't prove himself already withing 14 fights.
What's the best fighter Wilder has ever beaten? Stiverne? And who's the best boxer Stiverne ever won against? Arreola? Both of them aren't even muscled?
Take a look at Steve Cunningham, rank 12 of the world, rank 5 of America, now this must be quite a guy right? He's barely a heavyweight at all?! He struggled against a 35 year old Jason Gavern who got KOed in 3 rounds by AJ?!

I mean let's get real, Wilder and Fury are overrated, just like many others and others are underrated, you saw even the rank 30 ish from Europe can give the rank 1 of America problems and he wasn't even fighting that good.
Fury just hasn't fought the real top yet and that's why they are ranked that high, but they really haven't proven more as Chagaev, Pulev, name them.


Every new boxer starts with low ranks and Fury and Wilder are just boxing for a longer time as Anthony Joshua does.

[Aaronide_ger]

Are you kidding me? Then how Fury and Wilder are ranked #3 and #4 While AJ is ranked #16? Lol Im done.

Because they have fought more persons already. Jennings is better as Tarver right? Still Tarver is ranked higher.
About a year ago Anthony Joshua wasn't even ranked at all, but do you really think he would have lost againt the rank 1000? Ofcourse he wouldn't, he just couldn't prove himself already withing 14 fights.
What's the best fighter Wilder has ever beaten? Stiverne? And who's the best boxer Stiverne ever won against? Arreola? Both of them aren't even muscled?
Take a look at Steve Cunningham, rank 12 of the world, rank 5 of America, now this must be quite a guy right? He's barely a heavyweight at all?! He struggled against a 35 year old Jason Gavern who got KOed in 3 rounds by AJ?!

I mean let's get real, Wilder and Fury are overrated, just like many others and others are underrated, you saw even the rank 30 ish from Europe can give the rank 1 of America problems and he wasn't even fighting that good.
Fury just hasn't fought the real top yet and that's why they are ranked that high, but they really haven't proven more as Chagaev, Pulev, name them.


Every new boxer starts with low ranks and Fury and Wilder are just boxing for a longer time as Anthony Joshua does.

Let me not get started again, I stated why at this moment these guys defeat AJ, You said that Fury and wilder have never fought more than FIVE top100 opponents, which is mega false. And making comparisons like "He struggled against a 35 year old Jason Gavern who got KOed in 3 rounds by AJ" is meanigless in boxing, Styles make fights REMEMBER??

Tyson fury overrated? Hell no he is underated as f#ck, if you know about boxing you would be able to see that, his boxing skills are great but thats something you cant see? You will find out when he fights Klitschko, even if he loses im sure he will give Klitschko a hell of a fight.

Wilder overated? Yes he is, but that doesnt mean he cant defeat AJ, he is an olympic medalist for gods sake, and is still improving with every single fight considering how late he started boxing.. He has gone 12 rounds against a world champion he has more "EXPERIENCE" than "Still Green" AJ that hasnt showed us his boxing arsenal yet... I wont answer again since its a waste of time to continue back and forth this conversation, as I explained most of what I wanted to say in my posts above.