Top 25 Jr. Middleweights of All-Time
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elmersalsa
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Top 25 Jr. Middleweights of All-Time
I don't think that we have ever made a Ranking of the top 25 Jr. middleweights or super welterweights in boxing history. YOUNG DIVISION that it's somewhat a stepping stone for some boxers to move up to the complete middleweight division. Some guys in this list became sensational middleweight boxers.
1. Mike McCallum
2. Thomas Hearns
3. Julian Jackson
4. Terry Norris
5. Ronald "Winky" Wright
6. Giancarlo Rosi
7. Koichi Wajima
8. Nino Benvenutti
9. John David Jackson
10. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
11. Julio Cesar Vazquez
12. Sandro Mazzinghi
13. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
14. Wilfred Benitez
15. Paul Williams
16. Oscar De La Hoya
17. Roberto Duran
18. Davey Moore
19. Laurent Boudani
20. Kim Ki Soo
21. Freddie Little
22. Shane Mosley
23. Felix "Tito" Trinidad
24. Sugar Ray Leonard
25. Tony Ayala, Jr.
1. Mike McCallum
2. Thomas Hearns
3. Julian Jackson
4. Terry Norris
5. Ronald "Winky" Wright
6. Giancarlo Rosi
7. Koichi Wajima
8. Nino Benvenutti
9. John David Jackson
10. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
11. Julio Cesar Vazquez
12. Sandro Mazzinghi
13. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
14. Wilfred Benitez
15. Paul Williams
16. Oscar De La Hoya
17. Roberto Duran
18. Davey Moore
19. Laurent Boudani
20. Kim Ki Soo
21. Freddie Little
22. Shane Mosley
23. Felix "Tito" Trinidad
24. Sugar Ray Leonard
25. Tony Ayala, Jr.
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ClivePatrickLyons
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Re: Top 25 Jr. Middleweights of All-Time
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scartissue
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No Emile Griffith or Ayub Kalule?? For shame.
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scartissue
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I should also mention Denny Moyer was miles ahead of Boudani, Vasquez, Williams and Rosi.
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I think it was Gianfranco Rossi rather than Giancarlo Rosi...correct?
Good fighter in my opinion with some highly notable scalps at welter and LM; but often deathly dull and only his fans could love him.
For sheer excitement value I might be tempted to find a space for Matthew Hilton somewhere towards the outer fringes.....that's a subjective rather than objective choice I might add
Good fighter in my opinion with some highly notable scalps at welter and LM; but often deathly dull and only his fans could love him.
For sheer excitement value I might be tempted to find a space for Matthew Hilton somewhere towards the outer fringes.....that's a subjective rather than objective choice I might add
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elmersalsa
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How about including Denny Moyer at #24 instead of the great Sugar Ray Leonard?scartissue wrote:I should also mention Denny Moyer was miles ahead of Boudani, Vasquez, Williams and Rosi.
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elmersalsa
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Not miles ahead, he was mostly a middleweight. But, he could or should have a spot in there and have him into consideration of this rankingscartissue wrote:I should also mention Denny Moyer was miles ahead of Boudani, Vasquez, Williams and Rosi.
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tiny_acres
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Mayweather only had 2 fights at jr. middleweight.
And one was a catch weight of 152.I do not think he did enough to be rated in the top 10.
And one was a catch weight of 152.I do not think he did enough to be rated in the top 10.
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Its really difficult to rank fighters in specific weight divisions like this. I can see SRL and Floyd beating everyone on this list at light middle with the possible exception of mike mc and hearns. However, they both just had a couple of fights at lt middle. How do we rank these guys? Based on what they did at the weight or what we think they'd do?
Take SRR as an example. He's not in this list but surely hes the greatest lt middle of all time? Hes defo the greatest welter and a lot of peeps think hes the greatest middle, at least top3. Little, Canelo and Rossi ahead of SRL?
Take SRR as an example. He's not in this list but surely hes the greatest lt middle of all time? Hes defo the greatest welter and a lot of peeps think hes the greatest middle, at least top3. Little, Canelo and Rossi ahead of SRL?
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elmersalsa
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I see what you're saying.cfang wrote:Its really difficult to rank fighters in specific weight divisions like this. I can see SRL and Floyd beating everyone on this list at light middle with the possible exception of mike mc and hearns. However, they both just had a couple of fights at lt middle. How do we rank these guys? Based on what they did at the weight or what we think they'd do?
Take SRR as an example. He's not in this list but surely hes the greatest lt middle of all time? Hes defo the greatest welter and a lot of peeps think hes the greatest middle, at least top3. Little, Canelo and Rossi ahead of SRL?
SRR fought at middleweight. The Jr. middleweight division was created in 1962, after Robinson's prime.
I made a mistake in putting SRL ranked at this weight class at all. He didn't do enough, plus looked very MEDIOCRE most of the time at 154lbs
At least Canelo and Rosi did more. Don't you agree?
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elmersalsa
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You are right. I see your point. He should be in the lower positions, like in the 15-20 range would be fair.tiny_acres wrote:Mayweather only had 2 fights at jr. middleweight.
And one was a catch weight of 152.I do not think he did enough to be rated in the top 10.
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tiny_acres
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I would not have a problem with Floyd being ranked in the top 10 in any of the following.elmersalsa wrote:You are right. I see your point. He should be in the lower positions, like in the 15-20 range would be fair.tiny_acres wrote:Mayweather only had 2 fights at jr. middleweight.
And one was a catch weight of 152.I do not think he did enough to be rated in the top 10.
Jr.lightweight,Lightweight or welterweight
But he spent hardly anytime in either Jr.welter or Jr middle. 15-20 seems right in those two divisions.
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elmersalsa
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I have rearranged the list:
1. Mike McCallum
2. Thomas Hearns
3. Julian Jackson
4. Terry Norris
5. Ronald "Winky" Wright
6. Gianfranco Rosi
7. Koichi Wajima
8. Nino Benvenutti
9. Julio Cesar Vazquez
10. Laurent Boudani
11. John David Jackson
12. Sandro Mazzinghi
13. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
14. Rocky Mattioli
15. Paul Williams
16. Oscar De La Hoya
17. Javier Castillejo
18. Kim Ki-Soo
19. Freddie Little
20. Eddie Gazo
21. Wilfred Benitez
22. Roberto Duran
23. Davey Moore
24. Denny Moyer
25. Tony Ayala, Jr.
1. Mike McCallum
2. Thomas Hearns
3. Julian Jackson
4. Terry Norris
5. Ronald "Winky" Wright
6. Gianfranco Rosi
7. Koichi Wajima
8. Nino Benvenutti
9. Julio Cesar Vazquez
10. Laurent Boudani
11. John David Jackson
12. Sandro Mazzinghi
13. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
14. Rocky Mattioli
15. Paul Williams
16. Oscar De La Hoya
17. Javier Castillejo
18. Kim Ki-Soo
19. Freddie Little
20. Eddie Gazo
21. Wilfred Benitez
22. Roberto Duran
23. Davey Moore
24. Denny Moyer
25. Tony Ayala, Jr.
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tiny_acres
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That is a good list.We all can argue about this for a very long time.But I thinkelmersalsa wrote:I have rearranged the list:
1. Mike McCallum
2. Thomas Hearns
3. Julian Jackson
4. Terry Norris
5. Ronald "Winky" Wright
6. Gianfranco Rosi
7. Koichi Wajima
8. Nino Benvenutti
9. Julio Cesar Vazquez
10. Laurent Boudani
11. John David Jackson
12. Sandro Mazzinghi
13. Saul "Canelo" Alvarez
14. Rocky Mattioli
15. Paul Williams
16. Oscar De La Hoya
17. Javier Castillejo
18. Kim Ki-Soo
19. Freddie Little
20. Eddie Gazo
21. Wilfred Benitez
22. Roberto Duran
23. Davey Moore
24. Denny Moyer
25. Tony Ayala, Jr.
you got the majority of the fighters that should be there.I might have a few higher and a few lower.
But overall I think you did a good job on this