Never Lost A Fight

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 28 Jan 2006, 00:55

With a minimum of 15 bouts, how many fighters can we name that were never defeated in a professional contest.

Off hand I can think of Rocky Marciano, Terry Marsh, Jimmy Barry, Horace Notice, Joe Mesi (providing he doesn't come back)

There's got to be more.

barry · Post by **barry** » 28 Jan 2006, 04:55

Boxer W L D KO TB Active Birthplace
*Jimmy Barry 61 0 10 40 72 1891-1899 United States
*Ricardo Lopez 51 0 1 --
*Rocky Marciano 49 0 0 43 49 ---- United States
Samson Dutch Boy Gym 43 0 0 36 43 1992-2002 Thailand
Young Mitchell
Laszlo Papp 27 0 2 15 29 1957-1964 Hungary
*Terry Marsh 26 0 1 10 27 1981-1987 England
Chul Kwon 25 0 1 16 26 1980-1987 Korea
*Pichit Sitbangprachan 24 0 0 18 24 1988-2000 Thailand
Scott Dailey 24 0 0 24 24 1986-1998 United States
Cliff Sarmardin Somerton 24 0 0 14 24 1991-1995 Australia
Lakhin Vasansit 23 0 2 17 25 1993-1998 Thailand
Mzukisi Skweyiya 21 0 1 7 22 1973-1978 South Africa
Shazzon Bradley 21 0 0 17 21 1993-1999 United States
Lee Canalito 21 0 0 20 21 -- United States
*Ji Won Kim 16 0 2 7 18 1982-1986 Korea
Eiji Kimura 15 0 1 11 16 1983-1986 Japan
Kevin Babineaux 14 0 0 12 14 1983-1986 United States

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 28 Jan 2006, 08:44

Young Mitchell 35-0-6 (32 koes)
cruz Marcano 23-0-3 (12 koes)

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 28 Jan 2006, 09:11

There was an English fighter can't remember his name, had 171 or 181 fights without a loss and never got a 'title' fight of any sort, so the story goes... I not sure if he was "Top Class" or not (???).

But a helluva record none-the-less!

barry · Post by **barry** » 28 Jan 2006, 09:34

Fred Dyer, who I believe was English, supposedly was undefeated, but in actuality he lost several times.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 28 Jan 2006, 10:30

SVEN OTTKE for fornicate's sake....39-0

lamphey · Post by **lamphey** » 28 Jan 2006, 11:59

jimglen wrote:There was an English fighter can't remember his name, had 171 or 181 fights without a loss and never got a 'title' fight of any sort, so the story goes... I not sure if he was "Top Class" or not (???).

But a helluva record none-the-less!

Do you mean Hal Bagwell?

jimglen · Post by **jimglen** » 28 Jan 2006, 12:13

Thats him! Was he Top Class or what!

barry · Post by **barry** » 28 Jan 2006, 12:25

Bagwell supposedly had one point in his career where he was unbeaten in something like 180 straight bouts, but I have heard from some top English researchers that the claim is incorrect. There was a lot of boxing going on during his career and many English fighters of that time had a hell of a lot of bouts, but I don't think anyone has ever been able to turn up a big percentage of those bouts, but that's not to say that it's not correct...it just hasn't been proven yet with actual facts. It would be a good project for someone to take.

lamphey · Post by **lamphey** » 28 Jan 2006, 13:07

Hal Bagwell had nowhere near an unbeaten run like that.

It's one of those stories that started off somewhere and has just run and run. I think it's even appeared in The Guiness Book of Records.

I had read interviews with Bagwell where he said himself that he had no idea why he was credited with such a long unbeaten run. I then had the good fortune to be introduced to Hal a few years back shortly before his death (I live in his home city). It was only a brief meeting but I asked him about the unbeaten run and he dismissed it out of hand.
I think the unbeaten run was more like 60 odd fights (still decent form) but I have no idea of the quality of opposition.

Incidentally, a biography has been written on Hal Bagwell but the author has been unable to secure a publishing deal.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 05:01

Jimmy Barry had the most impressive run. His record would have been a lot cleaner without all of the draws had he not killed Walter Croot in their bout. That pretty much took everything out of Barry, but before that bout he was one hell of a fighter...one of the all-times greats who unfortunately does not get the recognition that he deserves. There was talk of him fighting Terry McGovern, but at that point McGovern would have destroyed him because all the fire was gone from the Croot bout, but a fight between the two with both in their primes would have been a classic!

jsc1973 · Post by **jsc1973** » 29 Jan 2006, 20:07

barry wrote:Boxer W L D KO TB Active Birthplace
*Jimmy Barry 61 0 10 40 72 1891-1899 United States
*Ricardo Lopez 51 0 1 --
*Rocky Marciano 49 0 0 43 49 ---- United States
Samson Dutch Boy Gym 43 0 0 36 43 1992-2002 Thailand
Young Mitchell
Laszlo Papp 27 0 2 15 29 1957-1964 Hungary
*Terry Marsh 26 0 1 10 27 1981-1987 England
Chul Kwon 25 0 1 16 26 1980-1987 Korea
*Pichit Sitbangprachan 24 0 0 18 24 1988-2000 Thailand
Scott Dailey 24 0 0 24 24 1986-1998 United States
Cliff Sarmardin Somerton 24 0 0 14 24 1991-1995 Australia
Lakhin Vasansit 23 0 2 17 25 1993-1998 Thailand
Mzukisi Skweyiya 21 0 1 7 22 1973-1978 South Africa
Shazzon Bradley 21 0 0 17 21 1993-1999 United States
Lee Canalito 21 0 0 20 21 -- United States
*Ji Won Kim 16 0 2 7 18 1982-1986 Korea
Eiji Kimura 15 0 1 11 16 1983-1986 Japan
Kevin Babineaux 14 0 0 12 14 1983-1986 United States

For the most part, this list reminds me of the old saying "Show me a fighter who's undefeated, and I'll show you a fighter who hasn't fought anybody." Lee Canalito especially...he's got almost as many bums on his record as Butterbean. Kimura looks like Japan's answer to Canalito.

I remember Samson Dutch Boy Gym. His handlers claimed he broke Khaosai Galaxy's record for consecutive title defenses at 115 pounds (defending some crappy "belt" he held), and made a lot of people in his own country upset that he put himself in the same sentence with Galaxy.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 20:14

Kenny Klingman 20 -0 ,20 k.o.s.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 20:42

>>>For the most part, this list reminds me of the old saying "Show me a fighter who's undefeated, and I'll show you a fighter who hasn't fought anybody.<<<

That pretty well true, though there are always a few exceptions. I think in this list it is about hald and half!