Golovkin hasnt moved up a single weight class

[koolkc107]

I just wanted to point out that Floyd has never made the 154lb weight limit, if anything he has always dropped below in every weight class by as much as 3lbs especially on fight night.

Yes I have pointed that out in the topic and you can see me saying that he is for the last 10 years 147-150. But it doesnt matter what you weight but the division you are fighting, because Floyd fought DLH & Cotto at the full 154 limit.. thats what matters.

Then you should be calling out Golovkin as the hypocrite he is for saying he will fight one guy at 154 but not another at 155; and two guys at 168 while trying to dictate a 164 lb catchweight with another 168 lber.

Apparently it aint just the division that matters...

[Aaronide_ger]

I just wanted to point out that Floyd has never made the 154lb weight limit, if anything he has always dropped below in every weight class by as much as 3lbs especially on fight night.

Yes I have pointed that out in the topic and you can see me saying that he is for the last 10 years 147-150. But it doesnt matter what you weight but the division you are fighting, because Floyd fought DLH & Cotto at the full 154 limit.. thats what matters.

Then you should be calling out Golovkin as the hypocrite he is for saying he will fight one guy at 154 but not another at 155; and two guys at 168 while trying to dictate a 164 lb catchweight with another 168 lber.

Apparently it aint just the division that matters...

What the f#ck are you talking about? What you just said has nothing to do with my answer, you are here looking to start some drama for sure.

Golovkin vs Mayweather would the the biggest payday and financially best fight for Golovkin at 154, Why should he fight Canelo at 155? Draining down pounds can be very very catastrophic when you are 33 years old, Thats why his only interest for a fight south of 160 is Floyd and ofc NOT Canelo..

Now dont get me started about the 168 pound division.. He did not try to dictate a catchweight, he made an offer 164 50/50 Money, and Andre ward DID NEVER EVER REPLY, He did not even nagotiate, he should have made a counter offer, we both know andre cant make 164, so why not counter offer 168 weight but take less money? You know why? Because he did not want the fight.

Now get the F#ck out of this thread because you are a simple F#cking hater that has nothing to do but diss GGG all day long for not fighting a guy that is a light heavyweight.

[koolkc107]

Yes I have pointed that out in the topic and you can see me saying that he is for the last 10 years 147-150. But it doesnt matter what you weight but the division you are fighting, because Floyd fought DLH & Cotto at the full 154 limit.. thats what matters.

Then you should be calling out Golovkin as the hypocrite he is for saying he will fight one guy at 154 but not another at 155; and two guys at 168 while trying to dictate a 164 lb catchweight with another 168 lber.

Apparently it aint just the division that matters...

What the f#ck are you talking about? What you just said has nothing to do with my answer, you are here looking to start some drama for sure.

Golovkin vs Mayweather would the the biggest payday and financially best fight for Golovkin at 154, Why should he fight Canelo at 155? Draining down pounds can be very very catastrophic when you are 33 years old, Thats why his only interest for a fight south of 160 is Floyd and ofc NOT Canelo..

Now dont get me started about the 168 pound division.. He did not try to dictate a catchweight, he made an offer 164 50/50 Money, and Andre ward DID NEVER EVER REPLY, He did not even nagotiate, he should have made a counter offer, we both know andre cant make 164, so why not counter offer 168 weight but take less money? You know why? Because he did not want the fight.

Now get the F#ck out of this thread because you are a simple F#cking hater that has nothing to do but diss GGG all day long for not fighting a guy that is a light heavyweight.

Let's pretend Floyd is really retired...or let's be honest enough to admit that if he did come back
for one more fight, it would definitely NOT be against lil g's can't-even-break-125K-buys non-selling ass.

Who is the next biggest payday for him?

Probably Kid Cinnamon, right? Who after that? Cotto is a name, yes?

But he definitely, unequivocably WONT go down to 155 for what would be his (your own words)
"biggest payday and best financial fight" if you take Floyd out of the equation.

You don't see a problem with this?

Your logic is just as hypocritical as your poster boy.

And it's even worse when you look at the situation with Ward.

When it comes to Ward, it all of a sudden isn't about money but about him being holder of all 160 pound belts...
or it is about a guy that might have only done 97,000 buys in his first PPV trying to act like an A-side to the acknowledged
#1 or #2 P4P guy in the world.

In other words, it's a lot of Bullcrap!

What does he need a 164 pound catchweight for against Ward that he doesn't need against Froch or JCC jr, both of whom are bigger men naturally than Andre?

And, I think your myopia is preventing you from remembering the correct sequence of things. Let me help you.

But regardless of that fight, the offer was very, very clear - that he and Andre would both have one fight before they fought each other, and they would fight each other sometime in the first half of 2016. So obviously the fight with Lemieux would continue to move forward and the next fight would be Andre in 2016.

"They received the offer and in 36 minutes we got a response which basically stated 'we cannot accept the offer and we're going in a different direction.' In 36 minutes [they turned it down], so that tells me there was not even any consideration given to the offer, because at the end of the day Triple G always knew that he would never fight Andre Ward. He's stated publically, and in writing, that he would go up to 168 to fight anybody but Andre. We put an official offer on the table and we got a 'no' in 36 minutes.

"I think you can assume that a fight between Triple G and Andre Ward is a fight that people would love to see. It would be great for HBO. I think, for the most part, everyone was on board - with the exception of Triple G and his camp. How do you respond in 36 minutes with a 'no' - unless you had no intention of fighting Andre Ward.

"The only way you respond in 36 minutes is if you had no intention of ever fighting this guy. That's what 36 minutes tells you. Because if they did had a desire to fight Andre, and get in there with one of the best fighters in the world, they would have responded with 'thank you for your offer, we're going to discuss this with our fighter and get back to you.' That's typically how it's done. You don't respond in 36 minutes."


http://www.BS.com/roc-nation-g ... tes--96761

It is crystal clear who is avoiding who.

And it aint about weight.

You need to GTFOOH with this bullshit thread....

[Aaronide_ger]

Why would he go down for the 160 World champion? FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! fornicating RETARTED AF!!

You are posting me ward's offer that was RIGHT AFTER LEMIEUX FIGHT WAS SIGNED?? Chavez & Froch naturally bigger?

Im done with you Casual, you are laughable.

[digzee]

Ward "acknowledged #1 or #2 P4P guy in the world." hahaha he's not even #1 in his own division (LDW). Also saying Froch is naturally bigger then Ward is BS.

[koolkc107]

Why would he go down for the 160 World champion? FOR FUCKS SAKE!!! effing RETARTED AF!!

You are posting me ward's offer that was RIGHT AFTER LEMIEUX FIGHT WAS SIGNED?? Chavez & Froch naturally bigger?

Im done with you Casual, you are laughable.

Aint you the abba-daba mofo started this whole thing about how big everyone is?

And surely you could read that the Lemieux fight had nothing to do with it, right?

The offer was for a 2016 fight, numbskull.

Ward is 6 feet even with a 71 inch reach

JCC jr is 6' 1" with a 73 inch reach

Froch is 6' 1" with a 75 inch reach.

Golovkin is 5' 11" with a 70 inch reach.

And the point is not about the middleweight belt- see that's the hypocrite talking again.

He said he would go up or down for big fights or financially lucrative ones.

Cotto or Canelo is big money.

Ward could be for P4P tops in the world.

But he wont do what he said he would do for others to get THESE huge fights.

And your fanboy ass aint even asking yourself why...

[koolkc107]

Ward "acknowledged #1 or #2 P4P guy in the world." hahaha he's not even #1 in his own division (LDW). Also saying Froch is naturally bigger then Ward is BS.

Pssst!

Hey there Einstein...try to keep up.

When Ward sent the offer I talked about (you know, the one lil g and his crew took just a half an hour to reject)
what was Andre's P4P rank at that time?

Here, I will help you:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3993 ... ng-in-with

You're welcome.

[digzee]

Ward "acknowledged #1 or #2 P4P guy in the world." hahaha he's not even #1 in his own division (LDW). Also saying Froch is naturally bigger then Ward is BS.

Pssst!

Hey there Einstein...try to keep up.

When Ward sent the offer I talked about (you know, the one lil g and his crew took just a half an hour to reject)
what was Andre's P4P rank at that time?

Here, I will help you:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3993 ... ng-in-with

You're welcome.

He hadn't fought anyone for 3 years those ratings were rubbish.

Jamie McDonnell (WBA bantamweight champion) is 5'10" with a 72 inch reach, Kell Brook is 5'9" with a 69 inch reach so is Jamie McDonnell a naturally bigger man?

[Deadendgeneration]

Ward is a light heavy, GGG is a middleweight. If GGG moves up and Ward moves back down then sure they should fight. But until then there's no point talking about this fight. As for GGG going to 155 for Canelo, that'd be a stupid move given that he's Canelo/Cotto's mandatory.

[koolkc107]

Ward "acknowledged #1 or #2 P4P guy in the world." hahaha he's not even #1 in his own division (LDW). Also saying Froch is naturally bigger then Ward is BS.

Pssst!

Hey there Einstein...try to keep up.

When Ward sent the offer I talked about (you know, the one lil g and his crew took just a half an hour to reject)
what was Andre's P4P rank at that time?

Here, I will help you:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/3993 ... ng-in-with

You're welcome.

He hadn't fought anyone for 3 years those ratings were rubbish.

Jamie McDonnell (WBA bantamweight champion) is 5'10" with a 72 inch reach, Kell Brook is 5'9" with a 69 inch reach so is Jamie McDonnell a naturally bigger man?

Now you are just being stupid.

Dunno if it is an act or you are just like that.

I am comparing guys in adjacent weight classes.

"Bigger" doesn't mean too big to fight each other.

The point I am making (and stand by) is that both Chavez and Froch are bigger than Ward...
yet Golovkin will go up to fight them even tho neither fight is as significant historically.

Oh yeah, that's right it's about the money.

The money is better fighting them instead of Ward.

And guess what?

The money fighting Cotto or Canelo is EVEN BETTER than Froch or Jr.

They are the biggest paydays lil g can ever hope to get since Floyd aint fighting
anyone who can't even break 150K in buys.

But lil g cant go down to a pound higher for a boatload of caish than he would have
for the Mayweather fight that is never going to happen...

[AntonS]

Avoid name calling. Uncle Anton ain't keen on it.

[koolkc107]

Avoid name calling. Uncle Anton ain't keen on it.

I don't need to, but I will respond if that is how I am addressed.

[AntonS]

Avoid name calling. Uncle Anton ain't keen on it.

I don't need to, but I will respond if that is how I am addressed.

Instead of returning the favour.....simply report it. Thanks

[koolkc107]

Avoid name calling. Uncle Anton ain't keen on it.

I don't need to, but I will respond if that is how I am addressed.

Instead of returning the favour.....simply report it. Thanks

Fair enough.

[ikorolev]

The money fighting Cotto or Canelo is EVEN BETTER than Froch or Jr.

But lil g cant go down to a pound higher for a boatload of caish than he would have
for the Mayweather fight that is never going to happen...

You will not be able to understand that Golovkin doesn't need that cash. He doesn't want to kill himself cutting weight for a couple of additional millions with a higher risk of getting injured and shortenning his career. In terms of cash, he is set for the rest of his life.

He clearly stated his current purpose -- unify all MW belts, and he is getting the WBC belt whether the divas fight him or duck. A MW title fight is supposed to be at 160, and Canelo/Cotto are not able to offer enough money to get Golovkin down to 155. They may buy 158 at best.

[koolkc107]

The money fighting Cotto or Canelo is EVEN BETTER than Froch or Jr.

But lil g cant go down to a pound higher for a boatload of caish than he would have
for the Mayweather fight that is never going to happen...

You will not be able to understand that Golovkin doesn't need that cash. He doesn't want to kill himself cutting weight for a couple of additional millions with a higher risk of getting injured and shortenning his career. In terms of cash, he is set for the rest of his life.

He clearly stated his current purpose -- unify all MW belts, and he is getting the WBC belt whether the divas fight him or duck. A MW title fight is supposed to be at 160, and Canelo/Cotto are not able to offer enough money to get Golovkin down to 155. They may buy 158 at best.

He will go down to 155 or he doesn't get either guy.

Think about this: you are Miguel or Canelo.

You sit there while Golovkin gushes about how he will go to 154 for Mayweather.

You understand quite clearly that Floyd IS NOT an option...BUT YOU ARE THE NEXT MOST LUCRATIVE THING.

You gonna cave in and let Golovkin come in higher than 155? Or are you going to play the same hardball
that was played against you as a b-side?

It aint about what g needs, it is about what he wants.

And I bet money is higher on the list than belts.

Hope you are right. I hope he is set for life.

'Cause he is shooting himself in the foot when it comes to big bucks.

[ikorolev]

Can you read ? Big bucks is not his first priority. He is not a spender. He drives something like Camry. He is already set for the remainder of his life. If the divas don't agree on a reasonable weight, then he will just say "hell with your money" and grab the belt.

[Undefeated49-0]

The money fighting Cotto or Canelo is EVEN BETTER than Froch or Jr.

But lil g cant go down to a pound higher for a boatload of caish than he would have
for the Mayweather fight that is never going to happen...

You will not be able to understand that Golovkin doesn't need that cash. He doesn't want to kill himself cutting weight for a couple of additional millions with a higher risk of getting injured and shortenning his career. In terms of cash, he is set for the rest of his life.

He clearly stated his current purpose -- unify all MW belts, and he is getting the WBC belt whether the divas fight him or duck. A MW title fight is supposed to be at 160, and Canelo/Cotto are not able to offer enough money to get Golovkin down to 155. They may buy 158 at best.

So what's your excuse for GGG turning down the fight with Ward in 36 minutes? It seems you had this excuse locked and loaded for GGG vs Canelo or Cotto at 155 but none for Triple G's obvious duck of Andre Ward at 168 though he is willing to fight the bigger Froch and Chavez but not Ward.

[iamasadlittleboy]

Bigger question, if Ward vs Golovkin was agree, at what point would Andre pull the plug? Would he venture east of Oakland for it? Or would he find out that he had a broken nail that day?

[iamasadlittleboy]

And as for the size argument, Masayoshi Nakatani is 5'11 with a 71" reach, I guess he should be at Middleweight... "natural size" however are about more than just reach and height stats. Natural composition, build, muscle mass, girth, shoulder width and various other features are part of the natural size argument.

[koolkc107]

I stuck to height and reach because all 4 of the guys mentioned fight in similar weight classes. Those of you mentioning tall flyweights with 85 in reaches have either missed the point or are being intentionally obtuse.

Again, when we are talking about Golovkin and Ward, we are talking about no more than a 10 to 12 lb difference on fight night...they are in the same ballpark size wise.

Why is this important?

Maybe because real boxing fans are still waiting for Golovkin or his fans to explain why it is damn near criminal for Canelo or Cotto to hold Golovkin to his word (less than a year ago he was fine with going down to 155 to fight either guy), yet it is fine and almost a Golovkin birthright for him to demand a catchweight from a guy who he wouldn't even be a clear cut A side against in Ward.

I get that some want to think Golovkin is so financially set he doesn't care about money. I hope this is true.

But his actions say otherwise.

If it isn't about money, if it is just about legacy, he would have fought Ward already.

But he hasnt. The excuse. Not enough money.

If it aint about money why is he trying PPV?

If it aint about money why is he willing to drain himself to 154 for Floyd, but not 155 (which is technically a middleweight still) for Cotto or Canelo?

Of course it is about money.

Just like every other prizefighter in the history of ever.

[iamasadlittleboy]

Did anyone mention a tall flyweight?

Height and reach doesn't mean natural size. Listing them is pointless, as shown by the likes of Nakatani (who is a lightweight) or McDonnell (a bantamweight) who are naturally smaller men than the likes of Ward or Chavez and carry their weight differently to say a Chavez or a Caleno.

Also 12lbs on the night? One is a small middleweight who could make 154lbs, the other is a man who has just moved to light heavyweight. Might be 12lbs on the night (which i seriously doubt) but the natural weight between the two would be much more.

[koolkc107]

Did anyone mention a tall flyweight?

Height and reach doesn't mean natural size. Listing them is pointless, as shown by the likes of Nakatani (who is a lightweight) or McDonnell (a bantamweight) who are naturally smaller men than the likes of Ward or Chavez and carry their weight differently to say a Chavez or a Caleno.

Also 12lbs on the night? One is a small middleweight who could make 154lbs, the other is a man who has just moved to light heavyweight. Might be 12lbs on the night (which i seriously doubt) but the natural weight between the two would be much more.

You do know there are pics of both men standing together, right?

In street clothes with neither in training.

Do yourself a favor and check out a few.

Then come back here and tell me about the huge difference in size you saw.

I'll wait...

[iamasadlittleboy]

Also pictures of Canelo and Golovkin stood together during training with Canelo looking the bigger guy...guess he's right to demand that one at 160 and not 155. In fact infuses that means Ward could make 154 to.fight Canelo as well....
Wearing street clothes deceives how someone carries their weight anyway and even more tellingly, it has bugger all to do with their natural fighting weight.

Pictured together at an event in street clothing Kosei Tanaka (wbo 105 champion) looked bigger than Naoya Inoue (wbo 115 champion). Though that's not indicative of their in ring functioning weight.

[koolkc107]

Also pictures of Canelo and Golovkin stood together during training with Canelo looking the bigger guy...guess he's right to demand that one at 160 and not 155. In fact infuses that means Ward could make 154 to.fight Canelo as well....
Wearing street clothes deceives how someone carries their weight anyway and even more tellingly, it has bugger all to do with their natural fighting weight.

Pictured together at an event in street clothing Kosei Tanaka (wbo 105 champion) looked bigger than Naoya Inoue (wbo 115 champion). Though that's not indicative of their in ring functioning weight.

What part of "Golovkin said he had no problems with going down in weight less than a year ago" are you missing?

Less than a year ago, with Cotto already holding the middleweight strap, Golovkin said he would meet him or Canelo at 155.

The only thing that has changed between now and then is that lil g has KOed a couple of more pretenders and ducked a fight with Ward that would have been his biggest payday to date.

And now he is finding a way to avoid an even bigger one.