Bruce Lee on "The Phantom Punch"

[Caractacus]

This was the legendary Martial Artist Bruce Lee's opinion about the punch in a couple of letters to Tacky Kimura dated May-28-1965 and June 7 1965.


http://www.books.google.com/books?id=6r ... pg=PT34&dq

[gilgamesh]

I can't believe this is still a discussion all this time later. Liston took a dive...End of Discussion. It's as plain to see as the Sun in the Sky.

[BoxBuzz]

I can't believe this is still a discussion all this time later. Liston took a dive...End of Discussion. It's as plain to see as the Sun in the Sky.

Agreed to some degree....AND to the blind, he was never even struck.....and his body did not recoil down to his feet from the hit he did (not) receive.



The strike that he did absorb I would agree is not the entire story. But it does make the discussion damn complicated for the purist conspiracy lovers.

[gilgamesh]

He took a punch, you can see that. He just didn't take a punch that would've kept him down for the 10 count. He gets up on his hands, and does the worst acting job I've ever seen of rolling over, and pretending he just can't get to his feet. Because he didn't hear the referee say 10 yet.

One of the most blatant dives you'll ever see.

[Caractacus]

check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btl3tp91sQc

[keithmoonhangover]

He took a punch, you can see that. He just didn't take a punch that would've kept him down for the 10 count. He gets up on his hands, and does the worst acting job I've ever seen of rolling over, and pretending he just can't get to his feet. Because he didn't hear the referee say 10 yet.

One of the most blatant dives you'll ever see.

Bullsh1t. How in the blue hell do you know if the punch would have kept him down? Because you watched it on YouTube? Have you ever been hit with a right that you didn't see coming by one of the best boxers ever, in his prime? Hmmmm, thought not.

[gilgamesh]

He took a punch, you can see that. He just didn't take a punch that would've kept him down for the 10 count. He gets up on his hands, and does the worst acting job I've ever seen of rolling over, and pretending he just can't get to his feet. Because he didn't hear the referee say 10 yet.

One of the most blatant dives you'll ever see.

Bullsh1t. How in the blue hell do you know if the punch would have kept him down? Because you watched it on YouTube? Have you ever been hit with a right that you didn't see coming by one of the best boxers ever, in his prime? Hmmmm, thought not.

I've watched that footage time and time again. Slow Motion, Real Time, The works. It's not the punch that didn't look decent, it's the reaction of Liston on the canvas that is obviously fake.

Liston had been hit with dozens upon dozens of harder shots than that, and never batted an eye. That punch was not enough to put him down for the count, and anyone that's not kidding themselves can see that.

[BoxBuzz]

He took a punch, you can see that. He just didn't take a punch that would've kept him down for the 10 count. He gets up on his hands, and does the worst acting job I've ever seen of rolling over, and pretending he just can't get to his feet. Because he didn't hear the referee say 10 yet.

One of the most blatant dives you'll ever see.

Not at all. Did you see zora's?

[gilgamesh]

I don't guess so?

[BoxBuzz]

I don't guess so?

Take a look at Zora's "ko".


And by the way....you really watched the Liston shot for forensics, and walked away thinking that was a next to nothing shot?

I really find that hard to believe. But to each his own.

[gilgamesh]

I don't guess so?

Take a look at Zora's "ko".


And by the way....you really watched the Liston shot for forensics, and walked away thinking that was a next to nothing shot?

I really find that hard to believe. But to each his own.

I didn't say it was a next to nothing shot. I believe it had sufficient force to cause a knockdown. Not enough force to cause a guy with a reputably sturdy chin like Liston to stay down for the count.

I will explain this one more time.

IT IS NOT THE PUNCH THAT MAKES ME QUESTION THE LEGITIMACY OF THE KO

IT IS LISTON'S ACTING ON THE CANVAS, AND THE WAY HE GETS UP ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES...CLEARLY ABLE TO FUNCTION, AND THEN ROLLS BACK OVER LIKE HE'S TRYING TO TEACH A DOG A NEW TRICK.

Ok. I hope that's settled.

[BoxBuzz]

Yep...now go observe Zora Foley's Knockdown.....