Oscar Destroys Floyd In Letter Posted in Playboy

[koolkc107]

Actually, I score fights pretty well.

I do it the old school way, dividing up each round into 1 minute segments, utilizing the 4 criteria to score them,
then awarding the round to the guy who won 2 of the 3 segments...unless the best/hardest/most action came
in the 1 minute won by the other guy.

Scored using that method, no way Castillo gets closer than 4 points short.

You don't need corruption or bad eyes to see Floyd winning...just accurate non-biased judging.

[caldo2025]

...Oscar? Playboy? ...just like someone mentioned above..are we talking about this guy? check out the video as well...

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http ... 9yCh3AQgvL

don't think that letter in Playboy was necessary...

I will admit that i'm fond of any Anti-Floyd propaganda which isn't something to be proud about. But i think that's obvious.

There was something high school'ish about DLH's tone in the letter and I do think that it could have been done better and more professional to make his point. I do feel that he's correct with almost every accusation about Floyd's career but if the guys really retired then not sure whey he decided to go after him now. He had the last 10 years to do this but I don't think Oscar wanted to lose any of the possible proceeds that came from being a part of Floyd's future fights in some capacity.

BUT, Golden Boy IS the only promoter making legitimate fights these days and that part of the letter is absolutely correct.

[tiny_acres]

...Oscar? Playboy? ...just like someone mentioned above..are we talking about this guy? check out the video as well...

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http ... 9yCh3AQgvL

don't think that letter in Playboy was necessary...

I will admit that i'm fond of any Anti-Floyd propaganda which isn't something to be proud about. But i think that's obvious.

There was something high school'ish about DLH's tone in the letter and I do think that it could have been done better and more professional to make his point. I do feel that he's correct with almost every accusation about Floyd's career but if the guys really retired then not sure whey he decided to go after him now. He had the last 10 years to do this but I don't think Oscar wanted to lose any of the possible proceeds that came from being a part of Floyd's future fights in some capacity.

BUT, Golden Boy IS the only promoter making legitimate fights these days and that part of the letter is absolutely correct.

Caldo I do not agree that GBP is making legitimate fights.He keeps saying that Canelo will not fight GGG for a couple of years.
Oscar is trying to milk what he has.I think he is bad for the sport just like every other promoter

[caldo2025]

...Oscar? Playboy? ...just like someone mentioned above..are we talking about this guy? check out the video as well...

http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http ... 9yCh3AQgvL

don't think that letter in Playboy was necessary...

I will admit that i'm fond of any Anti-Floyd propaganda which isn't something to be proud about. But i think that's obvious.

There was something high school'ish about DLH's tone in the letter and I do think that it could have been done better and more professional to make his point. I do feel that he's correct with almost every accusation about Floyd's career but if the guys really retired then not sure whey he decided to go after him now. He had the last 10 years to do this but I don't think Oscar wanted to lose any of the possible proceeds that came from being a part of Floyd's future fights in some capacity.

BUT, Golden Boy IS the only promoter making legitimate fights these days and that part of the letter is absolutely correct.

Caldo I do not agree that GBP is making legitimate fights.He keeps saying that Canelo will not fight GGG for a couple of years.
Oscar is trying to milk what he has.I think he is bad for the sport just like every other promoter

Yeah, i'm not a fan of the recent quotes from Canelo about GGG but Oscar is the only one risking his best fighters recently.

If David Lemieux was with Haymon, he'd fight junk for 12 more fights before taking on GGG. Oscar put him in there for the fans right away. Canelo's his golden child and he's put him in there with Lara and Kirkland and now Cotto.

Keep in mind, Oscar hasn't been behind the wheel with full control for long. I think that it's been a little over a year. I like what i see and I wish Haymon would do the same with some of his guys.

[Baby Face Finster]

The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

You simply don't understand that just because someone does something or many various things fundamentally right doesn't mean they can't be boring. People have different opinions, but the vast majority of boxing fans see Floyd as a boremeister, and you will simply have to live with that fact that though he was a great fighter he was also an extreme bore to most people.

Floyd = boring
Klitschko = boring
Rigondeaux = boring
Ward = boring

All dominant fighters but still boring.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

[Pureist]

Actually, I score fights pretty well.

I do it the old school way, dividing up each round into 1 minute segments, utilizing the 4 criteria to score them,
then awarding the round to the guy who won 2 of the 3 segments...unless the best/hardest/most action came
in the 1 minute won by the other guy.

Scored using that method, no way Castillo gets closer than 4 points short.

You don't need corruption or bad eyes to see Floyd winning...just accurate non-biased judging.

And while your scoring each segment your thoughts aren't on what's happening in the ring, floyd was out worked and out punched with Castillo being the aggressor

[Undefeated49-0]

You simply don't understand that just because someone does something or many various things fundamentally right doesn't mean they can't be boring. People have different opinions, but the vast majority of boxing fans see Floyd as a boremeister, and you will simply have to live with that fact that though he was a great fighter he was also an extreme bore to most people.

Floyd = boring
Klitschko = boring
Rigondeaux = boring
Ward = boring

All dominant fighters but still boring.

You cannot use negative adjectives to describe fighters even if you are just joking, that is considered name calling according to the rules, however, you may call them boring but I call them efficient and sufficient.

[koolkc107]

Actually, I score fights pretty well.

I do it the old school way, dividing up each round into 1 minute segments, utilizing the 4 criteria to score them,
then awarding the round to the guy who won 2 of the 3 segments...unless the best/hardest/most action came
in the 1 minute won by the other guy.

Scored using that method, no way Castillo gets closer than 4 points short.

You don't need corruption or bad eyes to see Floyd winning...just accurate non-biased judging.

And while your scoring each segment your thoughts aren't on what's happening in the ring, floyd was out worked and out punched with Castillo being the aggressor

Of course it is on what is happening.
I am watching the fight
Usually there is a little clock in the corner to make both very easy.

[koolkc107]

The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

[Undefeated49-0]

Because he is boring. His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

Yeah he was so boring in the Gatti, Corrales, Corley, Maidana 1, Castillo, Hatton, Ndou fights, yes, I agree with you. Highlights from all those fights boils down to mere seconds.

[Baby Face Finster]

The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

He was boring because that is what he was. Fighters who don't step on the gas pedal and only cruise to unanimous decisions when they know that if committed more they could score the KO are bores in my book. The only one with an agenda is you. In your eyes he is perfection and can do no wrong, and you hate that other people don't appreciate him to the degree you do. Your hero was a bore, that is the consensus, get used to it.

[jamesmcdonnell]

The problem I have with folks who call Floyd boring stems from the unassailable fact that he does so many fundamental things right. That alone would make him HOF worthy, yet he then takes that to another incredibly high level through exceptional athleticism and unparalleled preparation.

How someone can call themselves a fan of the sport yet dismiss so easily how rare and special what he does happens to be is beyond me.

We are all entitled to our opinions, but we don't have to understand or find legitimacy in them all.

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

How presumptuous - I covered boxing as a correspondent in one form or another for several years, I spent literally thousands of hours of my life watching, analysing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan. I've been following the sport 35 years, so to suggest I have an agenda, or I don't understand the finer points, is bunkum.

Whilst I can appreciate how clever Mayweather is, and the skillset he has - that does not change the fact that his fights are boring - a fight requires drama - and that doesn't happen in a Mayweather fight. Once Mayweather has found the formula to win the fight, he then does the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM required, to prevent his opponent scoring, and shuts the fight down.

It's his prerogative to fight how he sees fit, and mine as a boxing fan to say that it bores me to death. Just because I don't agree with you, don't assume you know more than I do about the sport, because frankly, it's probably the other way around.

[caldo2025]

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

Me agreeing with Jimmy Irish is about as rare as Haley's Comet but gotta say that he's nailing it and backing it up with examples. KC and Brut feel like we are all saying that Floyd was horrible as a boxer. No one with an ounce of boxing intellect would think that. But we just don't agree that he's TBE and the fact that Floyd markets himself in that fashion exacerbates the outrage at the claim. For instance, if Floyd never embarked on this TBE Campaign at all and just retired as his cocky self then I think that he'd get more ATG consideration than he has. If he never fights again and never gives his undefeated record a serious test then he's just going to be considered great. The worst part is that he'll be considered to be a great but also live with the "unfulfilled talent" moniker because he never tested himself like the best have numerous times. And unfortunately, no one has ever seen Floyd at his best because of it. That to me is sad. All personal feelings of dislike for Floyd the human and his boxing style, it's sad. He chose Safety instead of Greatness.

I think we'll all learn a little bit from the Rousey loss here. Rousey's star was shining at it's peak and now she's taken a loss. Will the blemish on her record kill her star power and popularity? Or will that loss on the record and a win in a rematch set her up for greatness way more than if she retired undefeated? That is the ONLY comparison that i feel safe about making between the two athletes. I really think that it will interesting to see what a loss on the record will do and I think it's very comparable to Floyd's career and his choice to protect his zero through safe choices.

I personally feel that if Floyd lost one of those tight decisions early on, we would have probably ending up seeing the best boxer in history in Floyd. But that damn zero kept a lot of great things from happening.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

Me agreeing with Jimmy Irish is about as rare as Haley's Comet but gotta say that he's nailing it and backing it up with examples. KC and Brut feel like we are all saying that Floyd was horrible as a boxer. No one with an ounce of boxing intellect would think that. But we just don't agree that he's TBE and the fact that Floyd markets himself in that fashion exacerbates the outrage at the claim. For instance, if Floyd never embarked on this TBE Campaign at all and just retired as his cocky self then I think that he'd get more ATG consideration than he has. If he never fights again and never gives his undefeated record a serious test then he's just going to be considered great. The worst part is that he'll be considered to be a great but also live with the "unfulfilled talent" moniker because he never tested himself like the best have numerous times. And unfortunately, no one has ever seen Floyd at his best because of it. That to me is sad. All personal feelings of dislike for Floyd the human and his boxing style, it's sad. He chose Safety instead of Greatness.

I think we'll all learn a little bit from the Rousey loss here. Rousey's star was shining at it's peak and now she's taken a loss. Will the blemish on her record kill her star power and popularity? Or will that loss on the record and a win in a rematch set her up for greatness way more than if she retired undefeated? That is the ONLY comparison that i feel safe about making between the two athletes. I really think that it will interesting to see what a loss on the record will do and I think it's very comparable to Floyd's career and his choice to protect his zero through safe choices.

I personally feel that if Floyd lost one of those tight decisions early on, we would have probably ending up seeing the best boxer in history in Floyd. But that damn zero kept a lot of great things from happening.

I actually think for Roussey, the loss could be the best thing that ever happened.

She seemed to have bought into the myth of her own invincibility, but really, this was only built on the basis of very limited competition in the women's UFC - she was tearing through people.

Holm as a former world champ in another code, was the first person Roussey faced who had the self belief and skills to really test her, it appears Roussey was not prepared for that.

Also, the manner of her victories were so one sided, that it was becoming tedious - a rematch with Holm will be huge, and in UFC, losses are nowhere near as disastrous as boxing. Whether Roussey will think she's ready yet or not is another matter. She's relied on her being able to bum rush opponents and submit them in the past, but now Holm has shown not only how to avoid that, but managed to either wriggle out when taken down, and even took Roussey down. Maybe it was just a sub par Roussey, or maybe someone came in with the right tactics, or a little of both. We shall see.

I did notice Roussey looked a bit 'spongy' for that fight, perhaps she cut some corners in training - if so, it's a mistake she is unlikely to make again. So again, a valuable lesson learnt.

[caldo2025]

I actually think for Roussey, the loss could be the best thing that ever happened.

She seemed to have bought into the myth of her own invincibility, but really, this was only built on the basis of very limited competition in the women's UFC - she was tearing through people.

Holm as a former world champ in another code, was the first person Roussey faced who had the self belief and skills to really test her, it appears Roussey was not prepared for that.

Also, the manner of her victories were so one sided, that it was becoming tedious - a rematch with Holm will be huge, and in UFC, losses are nowhere near as disastrous as boxing. Whether Roussey will think she's ready yet or not is another matter. She's relied on her being able to bum rush opponents and submit them in the past, but now Holm has shown not only how to avoid that, but managed to either wriggle out when taken down, and even took Roussey down. Maybe it was just a sub par Roussey, or maybe someone came in with the right tactics, or a little of both. We shall see.

I did notice Roussey looked a bit 'spongy' for that fight, perhaps she cut some corners in training - if so, it's a mistake she is unlikely to make again. So again, a valuable lesson learnt.

Easy for me to say as I down pizzas and beer left and right but Rousey doesn't appear to me to be in great shape. She's in unchartered territory as the most popular female combat sports athlete in history and the limelight that comes with it. Hosting ESPN, photo shoots, Endorsement sports and other engagements have to take away from training. While Rousey was doing these things and taking on Floyd in the press, Holm's only distraction was overtraining for the fight. Holm looked ripped and dwarfed Rousey in every way. Side by side, visually, there was no confusion as to who was in better shape, that's for sure.

And honestly, Rousey's legs gave out on her and her conditioning is what cost her the fight. She was not in shape for this fight and I'm sure that she'll admit that at some point. Someone that made a point to yap as much as she has should really back that up with proper training. Again, not to pump Floyd's tires but being prepared in the gym to back up his mouth is something that I'd say he was TBE at. Just that though.

[Undefeated49-0]

How presumptuous - I covered boxing as a correspondent in one form or another for several years, I spent literally thousands of hours of my life watching, analysing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan. I've been following the sport 35 years, so to suggest I have an agenda, or I don't understand the finer points, is bunkum.

Whilst I can appreciate how clever Mayweather is, and the skillset he has - that does not change the fact that his fights are boring - a fight requires drama - and that doesn't happen in a Mayweather fight. Once Mayweather has found the formula to win the fight, he then does the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM required, to prevent his opponent scoring, and shuts the fight down.

It's his prerogative to fight how he sees fit, and mine as a boxing fan to say that it bores me to death. Just because I don't agree with you, don't assume you know more than I do about the sport, because frankly, it's probably the other way around.

Yeah he was so boring in the Gatti, Corrales, Corley, Maidana 1, Castillo, Hatton, Ndou fights, yes, I agree with you. Highlights from all those fights boils down to mere seconds.

For all your so called correspondent work, supposedly WATCHING boxing, apparently you missed those fights because you ducked my last post like Pacquiao ducked Floyd or Roy ducked BHop or you're blind as hell, which is it??

If those fights were boring (as you make it sound as all his fights were) then I don't know what excitement is and I have more time watching, analyzing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan.

Yes you do have an agenda, it's obvious.

[jamesmcdonnell]

How presumptuous - I covered boxing as a correspondent in one form or another for several years, I spent literally thousands of hours of my life watching, analysing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan. I've been following the sport 35 years, so to suggest I have an agenda, or I don't understand the finer points, is bunkum.

Whilst I can appreciate how clever Mayweather is, and the skillset he has - that does not change the fact that his fights are boring - a fight requires drama - and that doesn't happen in a Mayweather fight. Once Mayweather has found the formula to win the fight, he then does the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM required, to prevent his opponent scoring, and shuts the fight down.

It's his prerogative to fight how he sees fit, and mine as a boxing fan to say that it bores me to death. Just because I don't agree with you, don't assume you know more than I do about the sport, because frankly, it's probably the other way around.

Yeah he was so boring in the Gatti, Corrales, Corley, Maidana 1, Castillo, Hatton, Ndou fights, yes, I agree with you. Highlights from all those fights boils down to mere seconds.

For all your so called correspondent work, supposedly WATCHING boxing, apparently you missed those fights because you ducked my last post like Pacquiao ducked Floyd or Roy ducked BHop or you're blind as hell, which is it??

If those fights were boring (as you make it sound as all his fights were) then I don't know what excitement is and I have more time watching, analyzing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan.

Yes you do have an agenda, it's obvious.

Well, let's take the Hatton fight as an example shall we - I would however point out, that this fight was in 2007 - 8 years ago now, and my initial comment

The fight may have had a dramatic conclusion, but it wasn't a particularly exciting fight. For the first four rounds, Floyd spent most of the fight with his elbow stuck in Hatton's face, and held on whenever Hatton got close, and waited for Cortez to break up the fight. In fact, most of the attempted action came from Hatton, until he realised that Cortez was pretty much determined to penalise him if he attempted to close the distance and so he became frustrated - the excitement really was provided as a result of Hatton throwing himself forward recklessly resulting in a rare one punch KO for Floyd. It was a nice shot, but it was far from being a great fight. Hatton threw himself forward early on, not really landing much, and Floyd spoiled and fouled (you're not supposed to shove your elbows into your opponent's face as this is deemed as dangerous, the same as leading with the head), and then when Hatton became Reckless, took him out. If that's your definition of an exciting fight, then I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes excitement.

Gatti fight was pretty decent, Mayweather ripped him to pieces. However, this is an exception, everyone has their moments. Gatti was hopelessly overmatched, and Floyd did as he pleased. It was a good performance in the sense Floyd put his foot on the gas, something sadly, he was less and less inclined to do as his career went on. By the end, he'd become much like a smaller version of Hopkins. Another brilliant, but at times very hard to enjoy fighter.

I have no agenda, but I've sat up so many nights watching Floyd fight, hoping for excitement of some kind, ever since the DLH fight, I've realised I'm unlikely to get much action in any fight Floyd is in.

I was obviously exaggerating that he has no highlights, back when he was fighting the likes of Corralles and Castillo he was throwing a lot more shots, but the latter stages of his career, have been very tedious, and these are when he was at the highest profile stage. His desire to avoid getting hit, which is understandable, means he became completely risk averse, throwing just enough shots to win the majority of his fights.

I'm sorry if you find it hard to accept that many people have found Floyd boring for quite some time, but that's how it is.

[tiny_acres]

Hey I have defended Floyd numerous times.I like the fighter but do not like the person.

But I will admit I like watching him fight.But and it is a big BUT.
I am glad he only fights twice a year because I would get bored watching him more often than that.
I enjoy how he makes good fighters look so pedestrian.But if every fighter had that style the sport would
die in a few years.
It takes all kinds of styles to make watching exciting.

[Bobbyptsd]

I've spent an awful lot of time defending Floyd's resume on this forum, and I think he's an ATG, but I'd be lying if I said I have been excited by his fights the past few years.

Part of that is a testament to just how good he is, I mean, he's facing guys who others lose to or go life and death with and he makes it look like it's a foregone conclusion. But that doesn't mean it isn't boring. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[koolkc107]

Because he is boring.

His fights have no drama, or certainly didn't for the last 5-6 years of his career.

He had a great career, but his highlight reel would be measured in picoseconds.

He is boring only to those who lack understanding of the finer point of the science.

He is called boring by those types or folks who know better but have an agenda.

My opinion.

And often substantiated by comments I hear from those who complain.

How presumptuous - I covered boxing as a correspondent in one form or another for several years, I spent literally thousands of hours of my life watching, analysing, writing about, and studying boxing, as well as just being a plain fan. I've been following the sport 35 years, so to suggest I have an agenda, or I don't understand the finer points, is bunkum.

Whilst I can appreciate how clever Mayweather is, and the skillset he has - that does not change the fact that his fights are boring - a fight requires drama - and that doesn't happen in a Mayweather fight. Once Mayweather has found the formula to win the fight, he then does the ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM required, to prevent his opponent scoring, and shuts the fight down.

It's his prerogative to fight how he sees fit, and mine as a boxing fan to say that it bores me to death. Just because I don't agree with you, don't assume you know more than I do about the sport, because frankly, it's probably the other way around.

It is anything but presumptuous.

It's just true for me.

It's like me being a fan of baseball and saying the only games I like are the ones with 10 runs scored- totally
disregarding the majesty of a perfect game pitched.

Or like saying a brilliant defensive struggle in football is not as engaging as a game where both defenses give up 500 yards.

IMO a real fan, a true boxing afficionado can enjoy the both the crude blood and guts fight, and the defensive masterpiece.

Equally and with similar enthusiasm.

Again, my opinion.

[Undefeated49-0]

Well, let's take the Hatton fight as an example shall we - I would however point out, that this fight was in 2007 - 8 years ago now, and my initial comment

The fight may have had a dramatic conclusion, but it wasn't a particularly exciting fight. For the first four rounds, Floyd spent most of the fight with his elbow stuck in Hatton's face, and held on whenever Hatton got close, and waited for Cortez to break up the fight. In fact, most of the attempted action came from Hatton, until he realised that Cortez was pretty much determined to penalise him if he attempted to close the distance and so he became frustrated - the excitement really was provided as a result of Hatton throwing himself forward recklessly resulting in a rare one punch KO for Floyd. It was a nice shot, but it was far from being a great fight. Hatton threw himself forward early on, not really landing much, and Floyd spoiled and fouled (you're not supposed to shove your elbows into your opponent's face as this is deemed as dangerous, the same as leading with the head), and then when Hatton became Reckless, took him out. If that's your definition of an exciting fight, then I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes excitement.

Gatti fight was pretty decent, Mayweather ripped him to pieces. However, this is an exception, everyone has their moments. Gatti was hopelessly overmatched, and Floyd did as he pleased. It was a good performance in the sense Floyd put his foot on the gas, something sadly, he was less and less inclined to do as his career went on. By the end, he'd become much like a smaller version of Hopkins. Another brilliant, but at times very hard to enjoy fighter.

I have no agenda, but I've sat up so many nights watching Floyd fight, hoping for excitement of some kind, ever since the DLH fight, I've realised I'm unlikely to get much action in any fight Floyd is in.

I was obviously exaggerating that he has no highlights, back when he was fighting the likes of Corralles and Castillo he was throwing a lot more shots, but the latter stages of his career, have been very tedious, and these are when he was at the highest profile stage. His desire to avoid getting hit, which is understandable, means he became completely risk averse, throwing just enough shots to win the majority of his fights.

I'm sorry if you find it hard to accept that many people have found Floyd boring for quite some time, but that's how it is.

It's funny how you aim all the BS going on in the Hatton vs Mayweather fight at Floyd but yet you say nothing about the Wrestling that Hatton was doing, if you thought anything Ricky was doing in that fight was boxing then you need to rethink your days as an "analyst" or whatever you claimed to have been in the past.

You keep saying over and over you have no agenda but it is as clear as day that you have a hard time even admitting the fight Floyd put on vs Gatti was exciting, that is really saying something about the type of person you are whether you know it or not.

You claimed he was boring and that his highlights would be a few seconds, I showed you otherwise and you still cannot admit the truth, sure some of his fights weren't all that exciting but remember there are two opponents in that ring and if they have been rendered totally ineffective because of Floyd's style then the onus is on the opponent to make him do something else in order to make it more of their fight.

You're supposed to be an analyst, I would think you'd be intellectually efficient enough to realize this but it's whatever.

[koolkc107]

Well, let's take the Hatton fight as an example shall we - I would however point out, that this fight was in 2007 - 8 years ago now, and my initial comment

The fight may have had a dramatic conclusion, but it wasn't a particularly exciting fight. For the first four rounds, Floyd spent most of the fight with his elbow stuck in Hatton's face, and held on whenever Hatton got close, and waited for Cortez to break up the fight. In fact, most of the attempted action came from Hatton, until he realised that Cortez was pretty much determined to penalise him if he attempted to close the distance and so he became frustrated - the excitement really was provided as a result of Hatton throwing himself forward recklessly resulting in a rare one punch KO for Floyd. It was a nice shot, but it was far from being a great fight. Hatton threw himself forward early on, not really landing much, and Floyd spoiled and fouled (you're not supposed to shove your elbows into your opponent's face as this is deemed as dangerous, the same as leading with the head), and then when Hatton became Reckless, took him out. If that's your definition of an exciting fight, then I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes excitement.

Gatti fight was pretty decent, Mayweather ripped him to pieces. However, this is an exception, everyone has their moments. Gatti was hopelessly overmatched, and Floyd did as he pleased. It was a good performance in the sense Floyd put his foot on the gas, something sadly, he was less and less inclined to do as his career went on. By the end, he'd become much like a smaller version of Hopkins. Another brilliant, but at times very hard to enjoy fighter.

I have no agenda, but I've sat up so many nights watching Floyd fight, hoping for excitement of some kind, ever since the DLH fight, I've realised I'm unlikely to get much action in any fight Floyd is in.

I was obviously exaggerating that he has no highlights, back when he was fighting the likes of Corralles and Castillo he was throwing a lot more shots, but the latter stages of his career, have been very tedious, and these are when he was at the highest profile stage. His desire to avoid getting hit, which is understandable, means he became completely risk averse, throwing just enough shots to win the majority of his fights.

I'm sorry if you find it hard to accept that many people have found Floyd boring for quite some time, but that's how it is.

It's funny how you aim all the BS going on in the Hatton vs Mayweather fight at Floyd but yet you say nothing about the Wrestling that Hatton was doing, if you thought anything Ricky was doing in that fight was boxing then you need to rethink your days as an "analyst" or whatever you claimed to have been in the past.

You keep saying over and over you have no agenda but it is as clear as day that you have a hard time even admitting the fight Floyd put on vs Gatti was exciting, that is really saying something about the type of person you are whether you know it or not.

You claimed he was boring and that his highlights would be a few seconds, I showed you otherwise and you still cannot admit the truth, sure some of his fights weren't all that exciting but remember there are two opponents in that ring and if they have been rendered totally ineffective because of Floyd's style then the onus is on the opponent to make him do something else in order to make it more of their fight.

You're supposed to be an analyst, I would think you'd be intellectually efficient enough to realize this but it's whatever.

That's the other part, the thing the "Floyd is Boring" folks don't want to mention.

There are two guys in the ring.

No one called the Cotto-Mayweather fight boring because Miguel wasn't afraid to make it a fight
even in the face of Mayweather's masterful defense. And he remains probably Floyd's toughest fight.

If not Cotto, then certainly the first Maidana fight. Again, a guy not afraid to step it up in the face
of great defense and expert countering. No one called that boring.

Floyd is Floyd.

He is going to bring his A game every time.

It's on his opponents to bring fireworks and make him fight above and beyond his comfort zone.

[Badhusker]

I think Oscar needs to introduce Rhonda to his new line of fish nets. Maybe Floyd will take notice then.

[caldo2025]

The Floyd boys love to blame Floyd's boredom on the opposition and their inability to get through Floyd's defense to make an exciting fight. Though, I agree that it does take two to make a great fight and that if one of the two is not on board then it's almost impossible to have a great fight, the greats in every sport always try to leave a lasting memory no matter what.

If Floyd could have won a fight without throwing a punch then he would love it. If Michael Jordan won a blowout game, he still always tried to do something spectacular. Tiger Woods won several majors by double digits and could have coasted but still elected to make exciting shots that he didn't need to down the stretch to wow the fans. Brett Favre wouldn't take his pads off without doing or trying something that made jaws drop.

Winning is not the only prerequisite to being great. It's a huge factor but the truly great ones not only want to win, they want to show you something you've never seen before. Floyd never showed us anything we haven't seen him do before. Mirror images were his fights except for the first fight with Maidana. 90% of Floyds fights were reruns. There's the IT factor to be great and Floyd never had it.