Most Overhyped Fight EVER

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Canelo is gonna win this fight. Easily. I mean ridiculously easily. You don't stand in front of Canelo and have success. Name one guy who has?? Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up. He's gonna walk right into the fire. Against a bigger, younger, stronger bull of a man. Cotto doesn't have the athleticism, movement or range to trouble Canelo the way Floyd, Lara, Trout did.

I just don't get all the hype unless you're Rican or Mexicano. Anyone with a brain knows how this fight is gonna go. Canelo is gonna hurt Cotto. Bad.
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Canelo looks to be faster and has youth on his side. But, when Cotto is on his "A" game, he is a hassle for anyone. He gave Floyd much more trouble than Canelo did. He gave Manny issues early. Cotto is the savvier one going into this bout. And while I think Canelo is physically the stronger fighter, I believe Cotto hits harder. He has the technique to negate the speed advantage Canelo may have, and he is more experienced. I also think he is the more skilled. TBH, I can't think of another fighter that Canelo has fought who has the power combined with the ability to land as Cotto does. Mosley is the only one who comes close, but he was way past it and has always relied more on his speed than setting things up the way Cotto does.

This is a very intriguing match up.

BTW, Manny/Floyd was the most overhyped fight ever. This fight is going to deliver.
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Impractical Poster wrote:Canelo looks to be faster and has youth on his side. But, when Cotto is on his "A" game, he is a hassle for anyone. He gave Floyd much more trouble than Canelo did. He gave Manny issues early. Cotto is the savvier one going into this bout. And while I think Canelo is physically the stronger fighter, I believe Cotto hits harder. He has the technique to negate the speed advantage Canelo may have, and he is more experienced. I also think he is the more skilled. TBH, I can't think of another fighter that Canelo has fought who has the power combined with the ability to land as Cotto does. Mosley is the only one who comes close, but he was way past it and has always relied more on his speed than setting things up the way Cotto does.

This is a very intriguing match up.

BTW, Manny/Floyd was the most overhyped fight ever. This fight is going to deliver.

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Chepppaaa wrote:
Impractical Poster wrote:Canelo looks to be faster and has youth on his side. But, when Cotto is on his "A" game, he is a hassle for anyone. He gave Floyd much more trouble than Canelo did. He gave Manny issues early. Cotto is the savvier one going into this bout. And while I think Canelo is physically the stronger fighter, I believe Cotto hits harder. He has the technique to negate the speed advantage Canelo may have, and he is more experienced. I also think he is the more skilled. TBH, I can't think of another fighter that Canelo has fought who has the power combined with the ability to land as Cotto does. Mosley is the only one who comes close, but he was way past it and has always relied more on his speed than setting things up the way Cotto does.

This is a very intriguing match up.

BTW, Manny/Floyd was the most overhyped fight ever. This fight is going to deliver.

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This fight SHOULD deliver, but it could turn out to be a chess match like Lee vs Quillin where both are too cautious and trying to catch an opponent.
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Impractical Poster wrote:Canelo looks to be faster and has youth on his side. But, when Cotto is on his "A" game, he is a hassle for anyone. He gave Floyd much more trouble than Canelo did. He gave Manny issues early. Cotto is the savvier one going into this bout. And while I think Canelo is physically the stronger fighter, I believe Cotto hits harder. He has the technique to negate the speed advantage Canelo may have, and he is more experienced. I also think he is the more skilled. TBH, I can't think of another fighter that Canelo has fought who has the power combined with the ability to land as Cotto does. Mosley is the only one who comes close, but he was way past it and has always relied more on his speed than setting things up the way Cotto does.

This is a very intriguing match up.

BTW, Manny/Floyd was the most overhyped fight ever. This fight is going to deliver.
It doesnt matter if Cotto gave Floyd more trouble than Canelo did. He's fighting Canelo. Not Floyd. You can have some success against Floyd in flurries if you are super aggressive like Maidana. He will give you some opportunities to let shots go while he's in defense mode, especially as he rests against the ropes. If you wanna play this he fought this guy or that guy crap....Trout handled Cotto and got beaten by Canelo. But that doesnt matter either. Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop. Right into Canelo's wheelhouse. That's what Alvarez wants - you to trade with him, and be in front of him. He's too big and too strong to engage in that sort of fight with him. Canelo doesnt deal well with a fast, moving target that he has to track down. He gets frustrated and it shuts off his offense. Cotto isnt that sort of athlete nor that sort of fighter. Kirkland hits like a mule and Canelo fought him toe to toe like he was a little kid. Now Cotto is a better boxer than Kirkland but I'm talking about physical strength here. Canelo is a strong, strong dude and Cotto is far too willing to trade with his opponents. I have little doubt that Cotto will be on the sauce for this fight being that he dropped his WBC belt just to avoid VADA testing but that doesnt tell me anything other than he knows he needs to be strong to actually stand and trade with Canelo.

When I say overhyped I think it's just because it's mainly on Rican-Mexican lines. 2 rabid nationality fight fans. I'm just not fooled by what Cotto is doing lately. Martinez was not even a 1-legged fighter, that fight was a clownshow. Geale sucks and was drained. Delvin Rod stinks. Last good fighter Cotto fought was Trout. And he lost pretty clearly. Now he's supposed to beat Canelo? Did people see the Trout fight? Cotto looked entirely too small. Trout is the only prime, good fighter Cotto as fought above welterweight and he looked out of place. Now he's fighting the best 154 lb guy in the world. This is Cotto's swan song. He knows it. It's another reason he gave up his title. Cotto is getting 15M to get his face smashed in, while Canelo is getting 5M and using this as a springboard to make bigger dough.
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I want Canelo to win but expect Cotto to win. I agree if they end up trading, Canelo knocks Cotto out, but I think Miguel is the better, smarter fighter. I wouldn't be surprised to see Cotto being robbed in a close fight.
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Canelo is indeed a "younger bull" as you put it, but Cotto is a more skillfull boxer. I won't be surprised if Cotto boxes his ears off.
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i agree there is a high chance Cotto will box his ears off for the first half of the fight, however my fear for Cotto is that he doesn't actually hurt Canelo enough to stop him coming forward.
Canelo will walk Cotto down as did Toni Margarito and if Cotto's shots don't deter Canelo then i think Canelo will go the distance and get the nod, possibly even stop him late if Cotto's fitness wanes.

I love both these guys, and have a ever so slight favour towards Cotto at this point of his career. Canelo is and will continue to be a star for a long time, and a couple losses on the record should not be of harm!!

Prediction: very close fight, Cotto takes first half, Canelo takes second half, Canelo given the nod on points.
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I can't see how anyone can be that sure about anything in this one and i think that's why it just may deliver even more than we anticipate. I have multiple ideas on how this one could end and wouldn't be surprised with any one of them. But what I know it won't be is a one sided affair by either boxer. No shot of that happening. My feeling is that BOTH guys are going to struggle with their conditioning in the championship rounds. Cotto's always been known to fade down the stretch even in his prime. Canelo will be around 174 tonight and the weight loss and gain will start hitting him around the same time that Cotto slows down. That's why i think that the last 3 or 4 rounds of this fight will be classic and it will determine our winner tonight.

I just hope that the judges get it right. Canelo's got two gifts already on his record (Lara/Trout) so I know Roach is advising Cotto how tough it will be to win a decision in Vegas tonight. After the Floyd/Manny slapfight, boxing can't afford to get this one wrong tonight.
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Mayweather-Pacquiao, that's easy.
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i disagree with may-pac as most over-hyped.

the fans wanted it bad, even if it was say 5 years earlier that they wanted it. Then consider fight contract signed to actual fight was only a couple months out. May not have lived up to billing for many but that doesn't mean over-hyped.

theres been many a fight over-hyped as being a close-matchup that has ended in rounds 1-3, with most fans knowing it would be an easy nights work for one of the guys.

Back to Cotto Alvarez, i think it will be a legitimate close match-up despite Alvarez being a favourite. Not an over-hype.
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It clearly was overhyped, May Pac was the biggest let down and non effort we could have expected. In 2009 that fight, in the ring, is much much more than we got. Credit goes to both for an embarrassing fight, one looked dumb and one looked scared. Even daddy pointed it out.
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diddy wrote:Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up...Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop
this has to be the dumbest shit i've read in a while
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sucracristo wrote:
diddy wrote:Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up...Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop
this has to be the dumbest poo i've read in a while
If you think Cotto fights well backing up you literally know zero about boxing.
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sucracristo wrote:
diddy wrote:Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up...Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop
this has to be the dumbest poo i've read in a while
It's up there.
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diddy wrote:
sucracristo wrote:
diddy wrote:Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up...Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop
this has to be the dumbest poo i've read in a while
If you think Cotto fights well backing up you literally know zero about boxing.
Cotto has shown to box very effectively going back... First I noticed it was in his avenged win over Abdulaev. It was also on display in the latter stages of the Mosley bout. He also boxed beautifully going back against Tony in both fights. It's just that Tony has a granite chin and had cement gloves the first time out. I'm sure there are others, but those are the ones that first pop to mind.
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SFW wrote:It clearly was overhyped, May Pac was the biggest let down and non effort we could have expected. In 2009 that fight, in the ring, is much much more than we got. Credit goes to both for an embarrassing fight, one looked dumb and one looked scared. Even daddy pointed it out.
Let down and over hyped are very different to me. I think of over-hyped as being mismatches that the media gets people to buy into.
May PAC was not a mismatch it was 2 very skilled fighters.
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diddy wrote:
sucracristo wrote:
diddy wrote:Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up...Cotto fights like a bull in a china shop
this has to be the dumbest poo i've read in a while
If you think Cotto fights well backing up you literally know zero about boxing.
aren't you the shmuck who had a thread predicting degale not being able to lay a glove
on dirrell, and anyone who disagrees doesn't know anything about boxing?
cotto's left hook counter backing up is probably the best in the business and
he's GREAT at stepping out and creating angles to counter. you are HIGH!!
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Mayweather Jr -v- Pacquiao is hands down the most overhyped fight ever.

The fact that it took place five years after it should have done & the fact that Pac was damn near useless just compounds that fact further.
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Extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion. This was even beyond that. The let down in the fight completely confirmed what everyone rational knew. 2 businessmen cashing out criminal amounts of money. Quite far from what it was billed as.

Whatever label we want to put on that fight doesn't affect what it was. 2 lukewarm performances five years later than it should have happened. Yes, that fight was well overhyped. One of em had already been beaten 2x just in that time gap, ktfo even I thought he was dead. So, call it anything but it will only be remembered for the incredible hype, revenue, lack of action and collective disappointment.
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No I'm not that schmuck.

Read first comment below. I must be the only high one who thinks Cotto doesn't fight well in retreat.

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/page/ ... lo-alvarez
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diddy wrote:Canelo is gonna win this fight. Easily. I mean ridiculously easily. You don't stand in front of Canelo and have success. Name one guy who has?? Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up. He's gonna walk right into the fire. Against a bigger, younger, stronger bull of a man. Cotto doesn't have the athleticism, movement or range to trouble Canelo the way Floyd, Lara, Trout did.

I just don't get all the hype unless you're Rican or Mexicano. Anyone with a brain knows how this fight is gonna go. Canelo is gonna hurt Cotto. Bad.
Diddy, if you're right then doesn't that mean it will be an exciting fight while it lasts?

As someone who likes both fighters that has to be worth any hype for me.
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Taansend wrote:
diddy wrote:Canelo is gonna win this fight. Easily. I mean ridiculously easily. You don't stand in front of Canelo and have success. Name one guy who has?? Cotto doesn't know how to fight backing up. He's gonna walk right into the fire. Against a bigger, younger, stronger bull of a man. Cotto doesn't have the athleticism, movement or range to trouble Canelo the way Floyd, Lara, Trout did.

I just don't get all the hype unless you're Rican or Mexicano. Anyone with a brain knows how this fight is gonna go. Canelo is gonna hurt Cotto. Bad.
Diddy, if you're right then doesn't that mean it will be an exciting fight while it lasts?

As someone who likes both fighters that has to be worth any hype for me.
I think it'll be pretty entertaining but not overly competitive as the fight wears on. I just don't think Cotto is the amazing force people think he currently is. His last 3 fights were a complete joke. Not sure how anyone can glean a thing from any of them. The Trout fight is the last real opponent he has faced. How'd that go?
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diddy wrote: I think it'll be pretty entertaining but not overly competitive as the fight wears on. I just don't think Cotto is the amazing force people think he currently is. His last 3 fights were a complete joke. Not sure how anyone can glean a thing from any of them. The Trout fight is the last real opponent he has faced. How'd that go?
I agree with you concerning Cottos fight against Martinez & Geale. Sergio was a shell of a man & Geale is an OK fighter who struggled to make Middle but was forced down.

But of Cotto's 2 KO losses one shouldn't stand (in my humble opinion) & the other was against a prime Pacquiao (who may or may not have unknowingly benefited from some fantastic smoothies). Either way in each he goes 11 or 12 rounds.

I'm leaning towards Canelo winning this fight but I can't see it finishing in the first 8 rounds other than a cut or injury.

Now I've f*cking jinxed it. :DDD
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