caldo2025 wrote:koolkc107 wrote:
See, caldo, it is faulty reasoning like this that makes you and others look like a fanboy.
We all know lil g has shown signs of being the absolute real thing, a great, a HOF caliber type.
But he must do that against an elite fighter to really start being considered that.
Any guy here can look like Sugar Ray Leonard if he is in the ring against a guy who hasn't the first clue about
boxing or fighting.
But, put most posters in here in with a real fighter and they'd need a plastic surgeon AND an orthodontist afterwards.
Resume counts. Opposition counts.
And until we actually see that the jury remains out on Golovkin.
So under this rational, do you consider Wlad elite?. His reign is devoid of elite talent and scarred with three losses against paltry opposition but
Wlad's on your P4P list right? If not now, he has been in the last few years.
There's a time late in every boxer's career when they move up or down in weight and take a chance to make the most money they can out of their waning career. I could provide the list but you know it's true. Now just isn't the time for GGG to do it. His goal has been clear from the start and it's to unify all the belts and there's been nothing in GGG's career to indicate that he's not motivated by his career goals. I honestly think that unifying the belts means more than PPV money or fame. I think he needs to do this first and foremost.
I love how you discredit Canelo already just so you can already call GGG's win over him as "nothing special" because Canelo's not elite. And there's no way Canelo wasn't more than 175lbs by fight time Saturday night so the "he's too small" excuse won't fly as well.
Canelo vs GGG is THE fight to make and I don't see GGG knocking him out. Something tells me that Canelo has a really good shot in this one.
Actually, no, Wlad is not on my last P4P list nor do I think he would be on it if I made one now.
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... p#p4194974
But, if there is such a thing as an elite heavy (in this the worst period in that division's history), Wlad more than qualifies.
And BTW, just because his competition wasnt as great in comparison to classic heavyweight periods
doesnt mean he hasn't faced several men who are lightyears better than almost everyone lil g has faced.
It isn't even close.
As far fighters moving up or down, there is no requirement it happen late in a fighter's career.
As a matter of fact, the natural progression of most fighters is moving up in weight.
It isn't at all unusual to see a guy go thru several weight classes before he is done.
But even this is irrelevant. We expect different weight classes from Golovkin simply because
THAT IS WTF HE HAS BEEN SAYING THE LAST THREE FRIGGIN' YEARS!!!!!!!!
Golovkin himself set this bar and I for one want to see him toe his own line.
And no, I am not discrediting Canelo. I am simply pointing out more facts.
Yes, part of the equation is the fact he is often a lightheavy in the ring.
But just as important is his ability to take the punches and adjust to the stronger men in the higher weight class.
Canelo has never fought anyone who is a legit middleweight.
So what sense does it make for his first fight at the middleweight limit to be against a champion at the weight?
Nevermind the one most consider the best of the lot.
But, it does fit lil g's MO of fighting a lot of guys used to smaller weight classes.
I say that if Saul has to fight at the 160 limit, let him fight a few of the middleweights that
lil g has already defeated to get acclimated to fighting bigger guys first.
That, or they fight at 155 like Canelo is saying.
No rush tho.
