Canelo No.1 Middleweight in the world By Boxrec

[pound per pound]

It's time boxing fans universally declaed catchweight fights as nothing more than exhibition or prizefights.

A middleweight fight is a fight fought at a weight limit of 160, period. Neither Cotto nor Canelo have EVER competed in a middleweight fight.

I agree.

[Undefeated49-0]

Canelo is also p4p number 1 which I struggle with ,I don't think I'd have him top ten

Going by resume' he might have some of the best names on it but it is a stretch to place him at P4P #1.

[jujigatame]

He's only #1 P4P because BoxRec uses official results, and there have been several fights (Cotto, Lara, Mayweather, Trout) where the scorecards were more favorable to him than he deserved, even if the W/L outcome was correct.

[Bobbyptsd]

It's time boxing fans universally declaed catchweight fights as nothing more than exhibition or prizefights.

A middleweight fight is a fight fought at a weight limit of 160, period. Neither Cotto nor Canelo have EVER competed in a middleweight fight.

No it isn't, it's a fight fought above the weight limit of 154 There isn't an upper weight requirement. As JCS pointed out earlier, over 154 is middleweight.

Following your logic, Hopkins often didn't fight at middleweight, Pacqauio doesn't fight in welterweight fights, Robinson was never the middleweight champion, etc.

If two fighters come in at 171 for a light heavy weight fight because they trained hard and are in good shape, it doesn't suddenly become a super middleweight fight. Well, the same applies if they had a limit of 171 in the contract. It's above the super middle limit, it's a light heavyweight fight.

Hard to believe a boxing fan doesn't understand how weight classes work.

You say middleweight is anything over 154.... wrong. Someone can weigh 140 if they want. There's no requirement to weigh bang on 160 (but thanks for taking a few paragraphs in trying to explain that).

A middleweight bout is a fight with a weight LIMIT of 160lb, ergo, catchweights with limits below 160lb are not middleweight bouts.

At the risk of repeating myself, a middleweight fight is fought above 154 and within 160 or less. 155 is a middleweight fight. I don't even know what you're arguing with, it's clear as anything can be.

What's a fight at 155? Junior middleweight? No, that's above the limit. Unless you want to create another weight class, 155 is a middleweight fight.

[Ricky_]

a middleweight fight is fought above 154...

Nope.

What's a fight at 155?

There is no weight class with a limit of 155.

[tiny_acres]

a middleweight fight is fought above 154...

Nope.

What's a fight at 155?

There is no weight class with a limit of 155.

By definition Bobby is 100% correct.

[lowlefthand]

Sulaiman saying the WBC won't enforce it till next September, to get the big payout from a Cinco de Mayo "double bill" and then a "showdown" in September for Mexican Independence Day.
We Be Crooks forever

[Ricky_]

a middleweight fight is fought above 154...

Nope.

What's a fight at 155?

There is no weight class with a limit of 155.

By definition Bobby is 100% correct.

No he isn't. There's no requirement to weigh over 154. There is no weight class with a 155 limit. Both facts.

[Ezzard]

Ricky is right. You can way what you like as long as you are under...

[Ezzard]

Alvarez has had 1 fight at the weight. Golovkin a career.

[Pureist]

154 and below is Jnr Middleweight, above 154.0 to 160 and everything in between is middleweight, WBC won't care about the weights, as long as they are both between those weights, it will be a case of negotiating an agreed weight to fight at by both fighters managements, if GGG wants to stand his ground and says 160, canelo either has to fight or be stripped, the only real negotiating power canelo has is ppv numbers and his scalp on GGG resume, will be very interesting in 10 days or so, canelo said he's ready for GGG after the fight, Oscar is saying not yet and the WBC has said on more than one occasion that he can't bypass GGG, the only hope is if mayweather comes out of retirement, he can jump the line being emeritus champ, after oscars letter I don't think that will happen, if canelo refuses to fight, it won't be a good look for him

[Deadendgeneration]

Sulaiman saying the WBC won't enforce it till next September, to get the big payout from a Cinco de Mayo "double bill" and then a "showdown" in September for Mexican Independence Day.
We Be Crooks forever

An assumption of what is going to happen or did you read this somewhere?

[Ricky_]

154 and below is Jnr Middleweight, above 154.0 to 160 and everything in between is middleweight, WBC won't care about the weights,

Again, incorrect. Cotto wasn't between those weights vs Canelo. He was under 154.

Pacquaio won the LMW title weighing in as a welter (144).

Henry Armstrong won Worl Welterweight titles weighing 134lb.

Weightclasses are defined soley by a maximum limit. Even then it's a gray area, the org's can still sanction a bout for a title even if 1 combatant misses weight (they just take the title off the line for him).

[bigjack]

If the middleweight limit is 160 and fighter A weighed 160 and fighter B weighed 152 would it be safe to allow the fight to happen ?,i understand you can weigh 160 or less but when would it become unsafe,surely the governing bodies should also set a minimum as well as a maximum.

[Pureist]

154 and below is Jnr Middleweight, above 154.0 to 160 and everything in between is middleweight, WBC won't care about the weights,

Again, incorrect. Cotto wasn't between those weights vs Canelo. He was under 154.

Pacquaio won the LMW title weighing in as a welter (144).

Henry Armstrong won Worl Welterweight titles weighing 134lb.

Weightclasses are defined soley by a maximum limit. Even then it's a gray area, the org's can still sanction a bout for a title even if 1 combatant misses weight (they just take the title off the line for him).

Didn't say you can't fight under the weight, but if you are its up to the discretion of the commission in control whether the bout is signed off or not, I've had fighters on the scales in tracksuit pants with a kg or so in the pockets to even up the weights

[Ricky_]

If the middleweight limit is 160 and fighter A weighed 160 and fighter B weighed 152 would it be safe to allow the fight to happen ?,i understand you can weigh 160 or less but when would it become unsafe,surely the governing bodies should also set a minimum as well as a maximum.

that's only an 8lb difference. The real problem in boxing is fighters draining/rehydrating which is creating huge weight differences. I can't remember who but a fighter sued Gatti for it. Rubio threatened to sue Chavez Jnr who weighed 182lb for their middleweight fight.

[bigjack]

If the middleweight limit is 160 and fighter A weighed 160 and fighter B weighed 152 would it be safe to allow the fight to happen ?,i understand you can weigh 160 or less but when would it become unsafe,surely the governing bodies should also set a minimum as well as a maximum.

that's only an 8lb difference. The real problem in boxing is fighters draining/rehydrating which is creating huge weight differences. I can't remember who but a fighter sued Gatti for it. Rubio threatened to sue Chavez Jnr who weighed 182lb for their middleweight fight.

Yes i agree,but if you come in at 152 pounds it's probably because you have no issues weight making and are really too small for the division but if you come in bang on 160 or there abouts then clearly you are a true middleweight,bring back same day weigh ins and that would stop the 20+ pound weight gain in 24 hours and boxers from different divisions fighting each other.

[Ricky_]

If the middleweight limit is 160 and fighter A weighed 160 and fighter B weighed 152 would it be safe to allow the fight to happen ?,i understand you can weigh 160 or less but when would it become unsafe,surely the governing bodies should also set a minimum as well as a maximum.

that's only an 8lb difference. The real problem in boxing is fighters draining/rehydrating which is creating huge weight differences. I can't remember who but a fighter sued Gatti for it. Rubio threatened to sue Chavez Jnr who weighed 182lb for their middleweight fight.

Yes i agree,but if you come in at 152 pounds it's probably because you have no issues weight making and are really too small for the division but if you come in bang on 160 or there abouts then clearly you are a true middleweight,bring back same day weigh ins and that would stop the 20+ pound weight gain in 24 hours and boxers from different divisions fighting each other.

Bad idea. Same day weigh-ins = dehydrated fighters being punched in the head = far higher risk of brain trauma/death.

30-day, 20-day and 10-day weigh-ins are the way forward. Ensure fighters are making weight in the proper manner.

[computerrank]

Saul Alvarez never fought a valid middleweight - he still is a light middleweight - whether WBC gives him a title or not ...

[lowlefthand]

Sulaiman saying the WBC won't enforce it till next September, to get the big payout from a Cinco de Mayo "double bill" and then a "showdown" in September for Mexican Independence Day.
We Be Crooks forever

An assumption of what is going to happen or did you read this somewhere?

http://www.BS.com/wbc-prez-app ... der--98592

[Redback Rasta]

The number means nothing. GGG is the best middleweight in the world. That's all that really matters.

[ikorolev]

Sulaiman saying the WBC won't enforce it till next September, to get the big payout from a Cinco de Mayo "double bill" and then a "showdown" in September for Mexican Independence Day.
We Be Crooks forever

An assumption of what is going to happen or did you read this somewhere?

http://www.BS.com/wbc-prez-app ... der--98592

It says that the subject is in the hands of promoters, K2 and GB, meaning that if K2 insists, then the fight will have to happen or Canelo shoud be stripped.

[Evander]

I can't take it way from Alvarez he did exceed my expectations, don't get me wrong ... technically he has flaws but he opened up against Cotto and completely took charge at some points.
Especially in the 12th.
Cotto carried weight coming into that fight and although a tested fighter had more than enough in the boxing department to penetrate Canelo's game.
At this stage neither are number 1 at 160 until they meet, sounds like GGG is up for it and Alvarez is exploring his options.

[koolkc107]

http://www.BS.com/wbc-prez-app ... der--98592

It says that the subject is in the hands of promoters, K2 and GB, meaning that if K2 insists, then the fight will have to happen or Canelo shoud be stripped.

Fu@&in' idiot!

Writing on the wall and he still can't see it.

Yeah, K2 is going to insist and turn down the boatload of caish from not one but two PPV events sure to top 1M buys.

Because insisting will mean the WBC will strip Canelo since they don't care at all about the humongous crazy sanctioning fees they will lose.

They are going to opt for the relative peanuts from an Andy Lee fight instead.

This isn't rocket science folks. We all know how our sport works sometimes.

You dont have to like it, but it is what it is.

Just dont act like I didn't try to tell you beforehand.

[sharpei_louis]

Gets me angry reading this.

If you hold the MW Championship of the World, you should be obliged to defend it against challengers weighing under 160. To get the belt then re-define the weight limit is a f*ckin' joke.

You can discuss the semantics of what is or isn't a MW fight, but for my money a MW championship should be contested by anyone weighing below the MW limit of 160.
It totally devalues the belt to have Cotto or Canelo fighting around the 154lbs mark for a MW strap, when there's a legitimate SWW belt at 154lbrs. There's a MW World Champ out there weighing within the MW limit who they won't fight cause he's too big.

This here is everything that's wrong with boxing. There are too many weight classes, too many alphabets and too many politicians. It's laughable. You wanna be MW champion of the world? You should be prepared to fight against guys 160 and below.