Top 20 All Time Pound for Pound

[elmersalsa]

Floyd is the greatest fighter of this generation bar none. He got THE CREDENTIALS. A top ten in my view. Anything else? I am not alone in that sentiment. For crying out loud. Five world crowns in 5 different weight classes? How could people be that blind? I guess that they are stuck in the past.

Only, in my view, 6 fighters were better in no particular order: Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Roberto Duran, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson. That makes him #7 in my view. What a fighter.

[Ambling Alp II]

Lets see, you named 7 of your top 10. Here are two more. DLH and Leonard, your two favorite fighters. They won titles in five different weight classes just like Floyd! Talk about CREDENTIALS!

That puts you up to 9 for your top 10.
The 10th spot would probably be between Pat Lawlor, Kirkland Laing, Robbie Sims. They each have wins over Duran.

A classic recent elmer quote from another thread " Lennox Lewis was nothing to be awed about. I don't consider him a great fighter. He was a very good heavyweight that came after the winding down careers of greats like Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson

Lewis beat the best around. Yet he is not a great fighter.
Yet he points to Floyd Mayweather's wins over shot fighters like Pac, Moseley and even Arturo Gatti as reason we should put him in the top 10 all time.

[Bobbyptsd]

Lets see, you named 7 of your top 10. Here are two more. DLH and Leonard, your two favorite fighters. They won titles in five different weight classes just like Floyd! Talk about CREDENTIALS!

That puts you up to 9 for your top 10.
The 10th spot would probably be between Pat Lawlor, Kirkland Laing, Robbie Sims. They each have wins over Duran.

A classic recent elmer quote from another thread " Lennox Lewis was nothing to be awed about. I don't consider him a great fighter. He was a very good heavyweight that came after the winding down careers of greats like Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson

Lewis beat the best around. Yet he is not a great fighter.
Yet he points to Floyd Mayweather's wins over shot fighters like Pac, Moseley and even Arturo Gatti as reason we should put him in the top 10 all time.

See, your just being silly by trying to put Pac and Mosley, especially Pac, into a list of "shot" fighters. This is what I was talking about earlier, people going to absurd lengths to make Floyd look bad. Mosley was the welterweight champion of the world at the time, and Pac was 2 years younger than Floyd, and is still an elite fighter. Gatti wasn't what he once was, but I wouldn't say he was shot. He was still a titleholder.

Just to add to the fun of confusion, I actually agree with your point to him about being consistent. I've argued with Elmer about DLH before. But the Mayweather thing.....yeah, I just think it's a silly and inaccurate way of framing it.

[dempseyfire]

Floyd is the greatest fighter of this generation bar none. He got THE CREDENTIALS. A top ten in my view. Anything else? I am not alone in that sentiment. For crying out loud. Five world crowns in 5 different weight classes? How could people be that blind? I guess that they are stuck in the past.

Only, in my view, 6 fighters were better in no particular order: Harry Greb, Sam Langford, Roberto Duran, Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson. That makes him #7 in my view. What a fighter.

Again Elmer, belts across weight classes in this day and age means nothing. Isn't Broner a 3 weight class paper champ now? Means jack squat.

[dempseyfire]

Lets see, you named 7 of your top 10. Here are two more. DLH and Leonard, your two favorite fighters. They won titles in five different weight classes just like Floyd! Talk about CREDENTIALS!

That puts you up to 9 for your top 10.
The 10th spot would probably be between Pat Lawlor, Kirkland Laing, Robbie Sims. They each have wins over Duran.

A classic recent elmer quote from another thread " Lennox Lewis was nothing to be awed about. I don't consider him a great fighter. He was a very good heavyweight that came after the winding down careers of greats like Evander Holyfield and Mike Tyson

Lewis beat the best around. Yet he is not a great fighter.
Yet he points to Floyd Mayweather's wins over shot fighters like Pac, Moseley and even Arturo Gatti as reason we should put him in the top 10 all time.

See, your just being silly by trying to put Pac and Mosley, especially Pac, into a list of "shot" fighters. This is what I was talking about earlier, people going to absurd lengths to make Floyd look bad. Mosley was the welterweight champion of the world at the time, and Pac was 2 years younger than Floyd, and is still an elite fighter. Gatti wasn't what he once was, but I wouldn't say he was shot. He was still a titleholder.

Just to add to the fun of confusion, I actually agree with your point to him about being consistent. I've argued with Elmer about DLH before. But the Mayweather thing.....yeah, I just think it's a silly and inaccurate way of framing it.

Ummm LOTS of people including myself were saying Manny's legs were shot pre-Floyd . . I've actually been saying that since his win over Mosley. Yes he was still an "elite" fighter but you can't compare fighters age wise . . Manny had MUCH more wear and tear on the tires from his various wars all the way back to Flyweight.

Mosley looked great vs Margarito but before that many were saying he was shot vs Mayorga, who nearly beat him. In fact I remember "insiders" being worried about Shane's health and slurring speech pre-Margarito. Judging by his performances after Antonio, it's clear Shane WAS a past-it fighter who found an extremely favorable style matchup vs Margarito (and sometimes shot fighters have one more great night in them vs a favorable matchup . .see Holyfield vs Rahman. He looked 5 years younger in that fight, but had looked like crap before (going back to the Moorer rematch) and after (getting practically shutout vs Byrd and Larry Donald)

[Ezzard]

Honestly, though in agreement with Alp and Demps, it's not even about Mayweather.

It's really about the fact there are just too many fighters with far superior records.

Mayweather has a really good record. But guys like Griffith, Moore, Gans, Leonard (Benny and Ray) have ones that trump it...

[elmersalsa]

Honestly, though in agreement with Alp and Demps, it's not even about Mayweather.

It's really about the fact there are just too many fighters with far superior records.

Mayweather has a really good record. But guys like Griffith, Moore, Gans, Leonard (Benny and Ray) have ones that trump it...

Fair call, you're entitled to your opinion, Ezz. But, in my view, Mayweather was THE VERY BEST OF HIS ERA. He didn't lose a fight, fought in 5 weight divisions. That, in any era, GOTTA BE REMARKABLE! No matter if he didn't fight all time greats. To me, of the guys that he fought, only Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao are the only true all time greats. The rest? They were not all that, but, the way he dominated them was SPECTACULAR.

I see your point. Ezz.

[King Carlos]

1. Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Willie Pep
5. Roberto Duran
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Muhammed Ali
9. Jimmy Wilde
10. Benny Leonard
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Marvin Hagler
13. Archie Moore
14. Joe Gans
15. Floyd Mayweather
16. Barney Ross
17. Sandy Saddler
18. Emile Griffiths
19. Tommy Hearns
20. Salvador Sanchez

Henry Armstrong slip your mind?

[dr_devious]

1. Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Harry Greb
4. Willie Pep
5. Roberto Duran
6. Sugar Ray Leonard
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Muhammed Ali
9. Jimmy Wilde
10. Benny Leonard
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Marvin Hagler
13. Archie Moore
14. Joe Gans
15. Floyd Mayweather
16. Barney Ross
17. Sandy Saddler
18. Emile Griffiths
19. Tommy Hearns
20. Salvador Sanchez

Henry Armstrong slip your mind?

Yep, he is top 5 of course

[elmersalsa]

Henry Armstrong #1

[Ezzard]

Honestly, though in agreement with Alp and Demps, it's not even about Mayweather.

It's really about the fact there are just too many fighters with far superior records.

Mayweather has a really good record. But guys like Griffith, Moore, Gans, Leonard (Benny and Ray) have ones that trump it...

Fair call, you're entitled to your opinion, Ezz. But, in my view, Mayweather was THE VERY BEST OF HIS ERA. He didn't lose a fight, fought in 5 weight divisions. That, in any era, GOTTA BE REMARKABLE! No matter if he didn't fight all time greats. To me, of the guys that he fought, only Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao are the only true all time greats. The rest? They were not all that, but, the way he dominated them was SPECTACULAR.

I see your point. Ezz.

Thing is Mayweather beating Pac would be like Ray Leonard's best win being against say Alexis Arguello.

Mayweather was an all-time great but he doesn't have enough achievements compared to others. That's how I see it.

[Ambling Alp II]

Maybe a way past his best Arguello would be comparable. Pac was way past it when he fought Mayweather.
Mayweather's win over that version of Pac is no more impressive than Leonard's 2nd win over Duran.

[elmersalsa]

And I am saying, I haven't seen a boxer that has been as dominating as PBF. Top ten ever? yes.

The Pacman fight was nothing to be awed about. None of the two did anything as far as I'm concerned.

[Ezzard]

Elmer, I prefer a guy who has lost. That tells me he pushed himself as far as he could go.

Mayweather didn't dominate everyone he fought. He squeaked by a few. But yes he was a terrific talent.