Gentalman Jim Corbet

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 29 Jan 2006, 18:32

I was looking for fights on the net and found this one involving Jim Corbett. The video talks about how Corbet was the first paid person to hold a filming contract or somthing said similar. And how Corbet was the first fight to ever being filmed. It also says Corbet had a modern style and that the bare knuckle era was just exiting.

By looking at Cobet fighting in the first fight shown you can tell he has a more modern style as said by the anaylsist. But when they show clips of Fittszimons v. Corbet you can tell both those guys can fight, thought they only show a few clips of that fight. Would be awsome to see the whole fight between Fittszimons v. Corbet looks like a very interesting fight. After seeing Corbet and Fitszimmons for the time I got more respect for them having only heard about them.

Another surprising thing was how at time Corbet held his jab low, then strikes with a right hand. Even Fitzsimmons would do this too at time try to sneak a right hand. Other times Corbet would hold his hands up and jab and go from there. Interesting video.

copy and past the link will take you to a website where you can then see the video.

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/vie ... MB&dur=195

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 19:44

Please pay no attention to what Decadumb says...he has no idea about that eras becxause he has done no research on the time...he himself has said so! Besides, he would rather praise someone like John Ruiz, who he considers to be a wizard of the ring, so that should tell you all you need to know about decagon!

bkmckenna · Post by **bkmckenna** » 29 Jan 2006, 19:53

espn25 says that the first fight filmed was in july 1894 between lightweights michael leonard and jack cushing - they boxed inside a specially designed building by thomas edison called a "black maria"

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 29 Jan 2006, 20:45

The video above says the edison contracted Corbett so he can film his fights.

Decagon, say what you will but for that time to me it seem like a modern style as the anayslist was saying about Corbett. Yes, they had their ONE hand down to try and get the other to rush in, then you can see one quickly throws a counter right hand.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:07

Decagon wrote:A modern style would use the jab to get inside instead of simply lowering the hands to lure the other guy in. In modern boxing, you set up the big shots with body punches and the jab, not stupid little, "look! My hands are down! Come hit me!" Nicolai Valuev would've flattened both of them.

I take it you didn't see the video. He uses the jab too.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:16

>>>A modern style would use the jab to get inside instead of simply lowering the hands to lure the other guy in. In modern boxing, you set up the big shots with body punches and the jab, not stupid little, "look! My hands are down! Come hit me!" Nicolai Valuev would've flattened both of them.<<<

Yeah, I really see so much of that going on in boxing!

>>>I take it you didn't see the video. He uses the jab too.<<<

Decagon's big thing is to assume. He doesn't know anything about this period...he has said so himself on a couple of occasions, yet he continues to think that he does. I think he has a condition...one day he realizes that he doesn't know what he is talking about and says nothing, then the next day he yaps his assumptions out as if he actually knew anything about the topic, but in reality the only thing he knows about Corbett and the time is the three, or four minutes of very bad film that he watched...that is what he bases his entire assumption on...honestly. The best thing to do is just ignore anything that he tries to comment on when it pertains to pre-1970 boxing. After that he seems to know pretty good!

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:24

You see ferocity...Decagon immediately resorts to the method of "deflection" to try to avoid the truth about himself! He also likes to make up things and lie and when that doesn't work he goes searching for grammatical errors in someones post to whine about, like anyone really gives a shit about misspelling words on an internet message board, but that's the desperation that he often demonstrates when he cannot make up something or lie without being caught in it, which he has been busted on numerous times for both. Basically, he doesn't know shit about the era and instead of doing like a normal person and actually trying to learn about it, he just bases everything on what he assumes might be right, which turns out to be very, very wrong at least 99% of the time, as it would with anyone who did not know what they were talking about, but the big difference is that most people learn from their mistakes,,,not Decagon, he hasn't slowed down one bit regardless of how dumb he sounds!

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:27

And someone else needs to read a book!

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:33

You mean the one where my enormously large penis covers up nearly the entire photo?

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:43

It wasn't a Turkish bath-house, it was Bulgarian!

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 22:01

Neither is that post!

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 29 Jan 2006, 22:07

I can sense a friendship developing...

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 22:12

I don't think I would go that I far, but I'm trying...I even offered Decagon another truce, whether he takes it, or not is on him!

Jaclem · Post by **Jaclem** » 30 Jan 2006, 02:39

..i'm curious about that leonard/cushing fight. the only edison black maria "fight" i've ever seen or heard of is the one with corbett. any more details?

barry · Post by **barry** » 30 Jan 2006, 03:11

Here's the film.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/papr:@field(NUMBER+@band(edmp+4026))

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 30 Jan 2006, 07:08

Collins2000 wrote:I can sense a friendship developing...

Separated at birth perhaps???! :x

8)

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 30 Jan 2006, 19:15

Decagon wrote:Both guys came forward with their hands down. That's just stupid boxing.

Let's not condemn yesterday by todays sensibilities my friend. That was the style of the times. Take either one of those gents and train him with today's techniques and I'd bet you 10 bucks to a nickel they'd adapt and be great.

theone · Post by **theone** » 01 Feb 2006, 08:16

Let's not condemn yesterday by todays sensibilities my friend. That was the style of the times. Take either one of those gents and train him with today's techniques and I'd bet you 10 bucks to a nickel they'd adapt and be great.

That's debatable. What shouldnt be is that they wouldnt be competitve today fighting as they actually did.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Feb 2006, 08:23

theone wrote:
Let's not condemn yesterday by todays sensibilities my friend. That was the style of the times. Take either one of those gents and train him with today's techniques and I'd bet you 10 bucks to a nickel they'd adapt and be great.
That's debatable. What shouldnt be is that they wouldnt be competitve today fighting as they actually did.

Thats just your opinion. What facts do you have that Corbett wouldn't have run rings around the Heavyweights of today???... he out-boxed Jeffries for almost 20 rounds and Jeffries had more than enougth size and strength to mix it with todays fighters. Both Corbett and Jeffries would have an easy time with todays Heavies....

barry · Post by **barry** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:28

>>>Jeffries was big, but he didn't have a modern style.<<<

Jeffries had a very modern style! Crouched low, hands-up, a lot of times crab-like, worked the body and head, which is something you don't see with much with modern fighters. Besides, Ali never had a "modern" stryle. What is a modern style? Dancing around the ring trying to look good, instead of trying to be effective? Is it fighting five solids rounds of a ten round bout? Is the modern style to cruise the last few rounds of a match that you are winning? There's a lot more, but based on the intangibles above, the modern style is more like the "lazy" style!

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:54

actually dec jeffries had a modern style. he kept his hands high like barry said and fought in a crab style and liked to mix up his combos. he defintley had a modern style.

then again what his a modern style? jack johnson held his hands low. does he not have a modern style?

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Feb 2006, 14:40

Decagon wrote:No one fights out of a crouch anymore. There's a big difference between the way he fought and the crab-style Tyson employed.

Theres hardly any difference between the style that Jeffries used and the style that Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson used.... are you saying that Frazier and Tyson aren't modern?. That aside, what evidence is there that the 'old styles' that fighters used to use wouldnt be better than the 'styles' of modern day fighters?. Generally fighters of Jeffries era had far better defences than those of today. How many times do you see the stright left used like it should be today?.... aside from fighters like Mayweather and Winky most fighters today might as well be fighting with one hand the use they make of their left!....

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Feb 2006, 14:53

barry wrote:>>>Jeffries was big, but he didn't have a modern style.<<<

Jeffries had a very modern style! Crouched low, hands-up, a lot of times crab-like, worked the body and head, which is something you don't see with much with modern fighters. Besides, Ali never had a "modern" stryle. What is a modern style? Dancing around the ring trying to look good, instead of trying to be effective? Is it fighting five solids rounds of a ten round bout? Is the modern style to cruise the last few rounds of a match that you are winning? There's a lot more, but based on the intangibles above, the modern style is more like the "lazy" style!

I think the 'modern style' for the heavies is to be about 20 pounds too heavy, blown up by weight lifting and who knows what else!, fight just once or twice in a blue moon, and be totally knackered by the 3rd round!.... 8)

:x....don't you love the modern style!!! :x :x :x

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 01 Feb 2006, 15:32

Decagon wrote:Yeah. Heavyweights these days just aren't as active as John L. Sullivan, Jim Corbett and Bob Fitzsimmons.

You still havent said what a 'modern style' is in your view?... Jeffries croutch or Johnsons hands down... styles both used by fighters in the past 20 years???

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 02 Feb 2006, 00:03

silkov wrote:
Decagon wrote:No one fights out of a crouch anymore. There's a big difference between the way he fought and the crab-style Tyson employed.
Theres hardly any difference between the style that Jeffries used and the style that Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier and Tyson used.... are you saying that Frazier and Tyson aren't modern?. That aside, what evidence is there that the 'old styles' that fighters used to use wouldnt be better than the 'styles' of modern day fighters?. Generally fighters of Jeffries era had far better defences than those of today. How many times do you see the stright left used like it should be today?.... aside from fighters like Mayweather and Winky most fighters today might as well be fighting with one hand the use they make of their left!....

There is a HUGE difference Silk. Watch the films. Sustained combination punching wasn't even a fact until Benny Leonard came along. The style of Jeff's day was hands low, one or two wide, arcing punches and then a clinch. That style would not translate today. It would get a fighter killed.