Fury v Joshua - Summer 2016

[SteveDow]

Few questions on this:

1. Who wins?

Have to go with Fury at the moment as long as he survives the initial onslaught. Joshua would clearly come in throwing bombs unlike Wlad and is also much quicker so it'd be a case of Fury riding out an early storm I think before using his likely stamina advantage to grind out a win down the stretch.

2. Would Fury take it as a voluntary?

I have mixed views on this. From a positive viewpoint, it would be a hugely valuable fight that would almost certainly sell out Wembley and generate millions in PPV sales. Also Fury may be better to get Joshua out of the way sooner rather than later. Getting him now when he is relatively inexperienced may be a wiser move than waiting 2 years until he is near or at his peak.

From a negative viewpoint, I don't think Joshua is a great style match up for Fury. Being a big, fast guy who hits very hard and comes out very fast could lead to Fury being caught cold. In many ways Wlad played into Fury's hands by being so tentative early on as this allowed Fury to get into a rhythm and gave him huge confidence. To beat Fury I think a fighter has to take more risks and try to put it in him early, this is Joshua's trade mark.

3. Would Hearn/Joshua take the fight this early?

Again there are positives and negatives. Positives are clearly the pay day which would be huge despite Joshua having to take the small end of the packet. They may also feel that Joshua is already on Fury's level even despite Saturday's result. In many ways the fight raised more questions than answers as Fury was never under any real pressure. In addition, they may be worried that Fury may lose the belt before they get the chance against him, thus losing the payday altogether.

Negatives for me would be that Joshua may not yet be ready for a guy who has gone 12 rounds numerous times and whose skills are very underrated. Joshua has never even gone past 3 rounds yet so how would he react if he couldn't get Fury out of there early. He ideally needs rounds at European level before being thrown in at world level. Problem is who can give him those rounds. It's pretty hard to see who can take him into the trenches at European/domestic level.

Thoughts.

[simonwalsh]

I know it's all hypothetical, but for me it's way, way, way too soon for Joshua. For me, AJ's team shouldn't even be allowed to phone Fury's until he's got a European belt.

[reggaereggae]

Paddy power have AJ the favourite

[danamba7]

Fury has just more than earned the right to be the favourite for this fight.

Having AJ as favourite is like having Derby County as favourites to beat City just because they've gone on a good run in the Championship.

[black panther]

Jury's still out on Joshua. He looks good but the opposition he's faced is just no measuring stick at all.

Johnson at his best would have good but he didn't turn up.

[Ian1973]

Fury moves too well and is too skilled for joshua. He will struggle when he comes up against someone he can't knock over.

[jamiem26]

Next summer too early for AJ imo.

But lets not forget that Hearn has been saying for years that he thinks AJ beats Fury already. Part of the hype of course but he'll look a bit silly if the reluctance is on their side.

Sells out Wembley in hours.

[Ian1973]

Next summer too early for AJ imo.

But lets not forget that Hearn has been saying for years that he thinks AJ beats Fury already. Part of the hype of course but he'll look a bit silly if the reluctance is on their side.

Sells out Wembley in hours.

Eubank said his son beats Golovkin as well. Words mean absolutely zilch.

[stevedoc]

we need to see AJ go 8 /10 rounds to see what his stamina is like ,i'm not that worried about his chin as i don't think there's any stories of him getting chinned in training ,fury may not be larry holmes but he'd be a hard man to beat

[Ricky_]

I'm still concerned Joshua is a hype-job but there's no denying that punches like hell, fast, spiteful. I'd expect him to make pretty easier work of a very clumsy, limited fighter like Fury if it transpires he can take a shot and reacts well under pressure.

[Nightmare Roy]

I'm guessing Eddies plan was for Tyson to get beaten fairy convincingly of
Vlad (which lets be honest 99% of the world thought would happen) and line him up against AJ next year, I think the breaks will be put on until at least 2017 now.

[afcmarshall]

Bookies would of priced this up thinking that for the firght to happen AJ would of had tougher fights and proven his chin/stamina and still looked devasting and if that was the case he would probably be odds on. Where if he was to just beat Whyte then take on fury I think theyd price it up differently

[Grilling Machine]

If he comes through a tough fight with Whyte with the win, he's ready. He's obviously not ready if Whyte beats him, and if he finishes Whyte in 3, we still won't know.

If he gets past Whyte, I think he only needs one more fight in Feb before meeting Fury in April. Any later than that and Fury'll have to fight someone else, and his opportunity might be gone.

As things stand, I'd make Joshua the favourite against Fury, Fury the favourite against Haye, and Haye the favourite against Joshua. I still think that Haye's the best of the three, but Fury's newfound defensive style takes away Haye's left hook, leaving him with just a shorter jab and overhand right. All Fury has to do is backpedal behind the jab with his right hand in front of his face, and Haye can't reach the exposed side with a left hand.

Haye's only chance to thread the right hand through would be when Fury was transitioning between moving and jabbing and initiating a clinch. Fury's learnt not to lean on the ropes now, so all he'd need do is let Haye get really close before grabbing him. When Fury was more reckless, I fancied Haye to time him and spark him, but I think Haye'd need to box a bit more like Mike Tyson now - and we know he can move his head well from the Klitschko fight - using his shorter height as a nuisance factor to whip in body shots. Catch Fury with hurtful body shots and he'll start to look to clinch at suboptimal range, giving Haye something to work with.

But I just feel that Haye's a bit too old to be as busy as he'd need to be. Joshua'd come looking for him, so chances are, Haye's stamina wouldn't be nearly as much of a factor in that fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I don't see it happening - too soon. If I was Joshua's people, I wouldn't put him in there yet, as he's still too green, and there's a risk that Fury just picks and pokes away behind the jab using the ring.

Also, from Fury's point of view, Joshua isn't a big enough star yet, better to wait 18 months-2 years until it's a much bigger fight.

If Joshua fights and beats Haye (a 50-50 fight in my opinion currently) - then they will spend at least another year talking about it, before it happens.

[SteveDow]

Would everyone who says it is too soon for Joshua say the same if Fury had got robbed on the cards on Saturday? I'm not sure Fury showed a huge amount that would put Hearn off taking the fight now on Saturday. Fury showed that he is defensively very savvy and that he moves well but as an offensive force he certainly didn't show a huge amount (mainly as he didn't have to). He nullified a very tentative Klitschko very well and did not a huge amount else. I think they'd fancy their chances now but as I said in my original post they'd have to come out swinging in the first 3.

[MarkMcBurney]

Would everyone who says it is too soon for Joshua say the same if Fury had got robbed on the cards on Saturday? I'm not sure Fury showed a huge amount that would put Hearn off taking the fight now on Saturday. Fury showed that he is defensively very savvy and that he moves well but as an offensive force he certainly didn't show a huge amount (mainly as he didn't have to). He nullified a very tentative Klitschko very well and did not a huge amount else. I think they'd fancy their chances now but as I said in my original post they'd have to come out swinging in the first 3.

I'd say the same even if Tyson had been knocked over in three rounds on Saturday.

Joshua has fought absolutely nobody and Fury is levels above.

[SNG]

What does Joshua do when he gets to the sixth round and Tyson is still there? We've no idea because he's never been four rounds since turning pro.

[reggaereggae]

I don't see it happening - too soon. If I was Joshua's people, I wouldn't put him in there yet, as he's still too green, and there's a risk that Fury just picks and pokes away behind the jab using the ring.

Also, from Fury's point of view, Joshua isn't a big enough star yet, better to wait 18 months-2 years until it's a much bigger fight.

If Joshua fights and beats Haye (a 50-50 fight in my opinion currently) - then they will spend at least another year talking about it, before it happens.

Yes, good point. I think Tyson has realised that his strength is his boxing, movement and footwork.....as well as long arms. Fury seems less interested in a fist fight like he was early in his career

[SteveDow]

Next summer too early for AJ imo.

But lets not forget that Hearn has been saying for years that he thinks AJ beats Fury already. Part of the hype of course but he'll look a bit silly if the reluctance is on their side.

Sells out Wembley in hours.

Eubank said his son beats Golovkin as well. Words mean absolutely zilch.

Yes but with GGG we are talking about a guy who has never shown any degree of vulnerability at all and one who is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound in the sport as well as being technically excellent. Fury has at least shown chin issues and doesn't punch like a mule so the fight is more winnable for a guy who hits as hard as Joshua.

[SNG]

Next summer too early for AJ imo.

But lets not forget that Hearn has been saying for years that he thinks AJ beats Fury already. Part of the hype of course but he'll look a bit silly if the reluctance is on their side.

Sells out Wembley in hours.

Eubank said his son beats Golovkin as well. Words mean absolutely zilch.

Yes but with GGG we are talking about a guy who has never shown any degree of vulnerability at all and one who is probably the hardest puncher pound for pound in the sport as well as being technically excellent. Fury has at least shown chin issues and doesn't punch like a mule so the fight is more winnable for a guy who hits as hard as Joshua.

They said that about Klitschko who was an 'ATG' ten year world champion with 20 odd defenses.

[SteveDow]

What does Joshua do when he gets to the sixth round and Tyson is still there? We've no idea because he's never been four rounds since turning pro.

He may well never be taken 4 before he's at world level. He's not far off that level now. This is a pretty weak division.

[jamesmcdonnell]

What does Joshua do when he gets to the sixth round and Tyson is still there? We've no idea because he's never been four rounds since turning pro.

He may well never be taken 4 before he's at world level. He's not far off that level now. This is a pretty weak division.

I tend to agree. I'm not sure there's anyone good enough out there right now, to keep Joshua off, or necessarily hit hard enough to put him over, without getting duffed up before they get the chance.

I'd only make Fury a slight favourite against Joshua even now. I think Anthony would probably take a few on the way in, but the difference in his power and Fury's at least on the evidence so far, suggests to me, that if he made it through the early sticky moments and put it on Fury, it would be goodnight Manchester.

Fury would have to dance around all night to live with Joshua, certainly in the first half at least.

[freddydoesdallas]

It is a strange one. Joshua is still a novice and there's absolutely no way i would have put him in with Wlad as he could have finished his career if they fought on Saturday night. I wouldn't worry too much about Fury finishing him off, he may well beat him but i'm sure Fury would be cagey and if it was a stoppage then it would probably be stamina issues that he could learn from (although i thought Price could learn about that!).

In truth, he shouldn't go near him. He could possibly beat Fury but he's not ready to be champion and fight at a consistently high level of opposition

[Stuarty]

Even next summer you would need to give AJ a chance against Fury because of his speed and power. I would much rather see AJ take on the Teper/Helenius winner (providing he gets by Whyte) then fight some eliminators and get some rounds in. Fury can do the 12 rounds no problem and AJ has yet to go beyond 3. In AJs case it's a marathon not a sprint. Boxing however is a sport where you need to strike while the iron is hot and I wouldn't be surprised to see promoters/TV pushing for this fight in the short term. They are both young enough to be left to do their own thing and let any fight between them percolate but with boxing you never know. Any sort of set back for either guy and the fight loses some of its value plus Fury is constantly going on about retiring for some reason.

[SteveDow]

Even next summer you would need to give AJ a chance against Fury because of his speed and power. I would much rather see AJ take on the Teper/Helenius winner (providing he gets by Whyte) then fight some eliminators and get some rounds in. Fury can do the 12 rounds no problem and AJ has yet to go beyond 3. In AJs case it's a marathon not a sprint. Boxing however is a sport where you need to strike while the iron is hot and I wouldn't be surprised to see promoters/TV pushing for this fight in the short term. They are both young enough to be left to do their own thing and let any fight between them percolate but with boxing you never know. Any sort of set back for either guy and the fight loses some of its value plus Fury is constantly going on about retiring for some reason.

Exactly. We've already seen the Price v Fury fight fall by the wayside due to Price losing. Had that fight been made when both were undefeated it'd have made both a huge amount of money at the time. Waiting around can be disastrous as fights may never then happen.