Fury v Joshua - Summer 2016

[orbtastic]

Way too soon on a number of levels.

I am curious who Fury's first defence will be, typically it's a gimme unless there's a pre-existing mandatory or rematch (I know Wlad has a rematch clause but he didn't seem overly keen on exercising it).

[sendo]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

[MarkMcBurney]

What does Joshua do when he gets to the sixth round and Tyson is still there? We've no idea because he's never been four rounds since turning pro.

He may well never be taken 4 before he's at world level. He's not far off that level now. This is a pretty weak division.

I tend to agree. I'm not sure there's anyone good enough out there right now, to keep Joshua off, or necessarily hit hard enough to put him over, without getting duffed up before they get the chance.

I'd only make Fury a slight favourite against Joshua even now. I think Anthony would probably take a few on the way in, but the difference in his power and Fury's at least on the evidence so far, suggests to me, that if he made it through the early sticky moments and put it on Fury, it would be goodnight Manchester.

Fury would have to dance around all night to live with Joshua, certainly in the first half at least.

Whilst I do think Joshua has decent power, exactly who has he fought that suggests he's a wrecking ball at anything more than regional/British level?

His best win is a washed up, disinterested Kevin Johnson, coming off 5 defeats in his last 6 fights. He was beaten in the final of Prizefighter by Tor Hamer, after only beating Sosnowski on a split decision. Would such a destructive puncher not have dispatched the luminary talents of Konstantin Airich (who was clearly beaten by Danny Williams years before) or Jason Gavern(!) in less than 3 rounds?

I think Joshua has promise, certainly, but building him up to be the dominant force in the heavyweight division based on the laughable record he has so far is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as suggesting he'd start as favourite against the current undefeated, undisputed heavyweight champion, who dethroned a guy who would knock Joshua's head off.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Yes, Fury as he's stepped up, has become much less of a hitter, and now relies on movement and output. Joshua thus far is just flattening people. There's a huge disparity in their aggression and punch power.

[MarkMcBurney]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Which fighter is better; the Chisora that fought Fury the first time round, or Dillian Whyte?

[SteveDow]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Which fighter is better; the Chisora that fought Fury the first time round, or Dillian Whyte?

Difficult to say at the moment as we don't know how good Whyte is. Their records are very similar at the same stage in their careers but Whyte hits harder.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I know that power is often secuctive and/or misleading. However, it's the manner of those knockouts that suggests to me so far, that Joshua has extremely heavy hands. The minute he lands flush, people seem to come apart at the seams, and he follows up with a stoppage very soon thereafter.

[MarkMcBurney]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Which fighter is better; the Chisora that fought Fury the first time round, or Dillian Whyte?

Difficult to say at the moment as we don't know how good Whyte is. Their records are very similar at the same stage in their careers but Whyte hits harder.

Hmm...

Pre-Tyson Fury, Chisora had fought 15 times, and fought 63 rounds against opponents with a combined record of 228-206-14.

Pre-AJ, Whyte has fought 16 times, and fought 44 rounds against opponents with a combined record of 176-250-29.

Chisora was a tougher fight for Fury back then that Whyte is for AJ now, in my opinion. Whyte's record isn't exactly full of huge names either. Who is his best win? Chisora had beaten Paul Butlin twice, Sam Sexton twice, and Danny Williams (when he was semi competitive) by then. Brian Minto is one of the stand out names on Dillian's record!

[davie]

It's a tough choice for both camps.
For Hearn, strike while the iron is hot or risk leaving it and Fury dropping the titles.
Would Fury be better taking AJ while he lacks experience or build it up to something bigger. He'd kick himself if he takes AJ now and loses instead of maybe taking a couple good paydays first and maybe beating Wilder to unify all titles.

Who wins.
Really tough call.
How much do we know about AJ at the top level? Not a lot, he has physical attributes that make you look a world beater at C level and skills which are impressive against guys who are terrified of you. But if he keeps progressing and fulfilling that impressive potential, he could be awesome.
What do we know about Fury, well he is more of a known quantity we know his strengths and weaknesses, of which he has plenty. But he showed how well he can fight when he sticks to a game plan and doesn't make novice errors.

I'd favour Fury the earlier the bout gets made. The more experience AJ gets, providing he continues to progress as he has, I could see me sway towards him.

I think it'll sit for a year or so, build it up and see if one of them can get to the WBC belt.
I'd love to see these 2 lock horns for every major title.

[davie]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Which fighter is better; the Chisora that fought Fury the first time round, or Dillian Whyte?

Chisora for me.

Could you see Whyte perform as well as Derek did against Fury, Helenius and Vitali?

[MarkMcBurney]

Once AJ gets to a position to challenge he will win, whether it's summer or more likely 2017. The difference in talent and performances at similar stages in their career is absolutely vast. I love how much Fury has improved through his career and the win on sunday, but lets be realistic, he's not suddenly amazing or unbeatable to any talented hard hitting fighter of a similar size. Yes AJ still needs answer more questions and keep developing, but that's looking a lot more likely than him hitting a wall.

Which fighter is better; the Chisora that fought Fury the first time round, or Dillian Whyte?

Chisora for me.

Could you see Whyte perform as well as Derek did against Fury, Helenius and Vitali?

Agree with you on the first point, but we're taking pre-Fury, so discount those three for this question.

[Stuarty]

Both guys are miles away from being anything near the finished article but if a fight were to happen next summer then I genuinely think it's a toss up. I really like Fury and I actually don't mind Wilder either but I don't think either of them has the tools to be a dominant champion and that's what they should be looking to build AJ into. He would make a fortune fighting Fury in the summer but he would make more building himself up and making a number of defences. The public love him so no matter who he fights it's going to sell. The thing is we still don't know just how good he is and wether he can tough it out when he's in deep etc... It's a tough one because I'd love to see the fight but it could end up setting him back if it doesn't go to plan. All ifs n buts at the moment for me.

AJ aside Tyson deserves a homecoming voluntary defence and I hope he gets that opportunity before any Wlad rematch.

[orbtastic]

C'mon, Williams was completely done by the time Chisora faced him. He may have been the British champ but he could barely throw a punch, nevermind stand up. His balance was completely gone. He'd already said he was going to retire before the fight, hardly the mindset of a winner.

[SteveDow]

Chisora probably had the better record on paper but I think Whyte is the more dangerous opponent.

[lillywhite14]

Too early for Joshua.
I'm sure he would admit as much himself ( privately at least )

If he gets by Whyte, give him Ustinov then the winner of Teper/Helenius ( providing they aren't involved in a title shot themselves at the time ) and if, and I stress if, he can come through that lot, with flying colours, dial up Fury.

If he beats that lot he will probably be mandatory anyway

[lillywhite14]

Both guys are miles away from being anything near the finished article but if a fight were to happen next summer then I genuinely think it's a toss up. I really like Fury and I actually don't mind Wilder either but I don't think either of them has the tools to be a dominant champion and that's what they should be looking to build AJ into. He would make a fortune fighting Fury in the summer but he would make more building himself up and making a number of defences. The public love him so no matter who he fights it's going to sell. The thing is we still don't know just how good he is and wether he can tough it out when he's in deep etc... It's a tough one because I'd love to see the fight but it could end up setting him back if it doesn't go to plan. All ifs n buts at the moment for me.

AJ aside Tyson deserves a homecoming voluntary defence and I hope he gets that opportunity before any Wlad rematch.

Amateur world championships in 2011 proved Joshua can tough it out. He went toe to toe I'm the final with the local favourite, losing by a point. Left it all in there

I am looking forward to the Whyte fight

[MarkMcBurney]

Both guys are miles away from being anything near the finished article but if a fight were to happen next summer then I genuinely think it's a toss up. I really like Fury and I actually don't mind Wilder either but I don't think either of them has the tools to be a dominant champion and that's what they should be looking to build AJ into. He would make a fortune fighting Fury in the summer but he would make more building himself up and making a number of defences. The public love him so no matter who he fights it's going to sell. The thing is we still don't know just how good he is and wether he can tough it out when he's in deep etc... It's a tough one because I'd love to see the fight but it could end up setting him back if it doesn't go to plan. All ifs n buts at the moment for me.

AJ aside Tyson deserves a homecoming voluntary defence and I hope he gets that opportunity before any Wlad rematch.

Amateur world championships in 2011 proved Joshua can tough it out. He went toe to toe I'm the final with the local favourite, losing by a point. Left it all in there

I am looking forward to the Whyte fight

Whyte won't last 3 rounds.

[Terminator666]

Does anyone think if they fought right now (or three to six months time) that Joshua would win?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Does anyone think if they fought right now (or three to six months time) that Joshua would win?

Possibly.

I think the problem for Joshua, is that if it went past 3 rounds, he'd struggle, as he's no experience of that, and possibly hasn't built the stamina for a longer fight, or learned to pace himself.

I'd wager him having a good chance to stop it quickly though. Tyson wouldn't stand up to a barrage of Joshua's punches.

[Terminator666]

Yeah I wonder with his physique if he will be a bit like Bruno was, struggling with the pace in the latter rounds.

[Stuarty]

Both guys are miles away from being anything near the finished article but if a fight were to happen next summer then I genuinely think it's a toss up. I really like Fury and I actually don't mind Wilder either but I don't think either of them has the tools to be a dominant champion and that's what they should be looking to build AJ into. He would make a fortune fighting Fury in the summer but he would make more building himself up and making a number of defences. The public love him so no matter who he fights it's going to sell. The thing is we still don't know just how good he is and wether he can tough it out when he's in deep etc... It's a tough one because I'd love to see the fight but it could end up setting him back if it doesn't go to plan. All ifs n buts at the moment for me.

AJ aside Tyson deserves a homecoming voluntary defence and I hope he gets that opportunity before any Wlad rematch.

Amateur world championships in 2011 proved Joshua can tough it out. He went toe to toe I'm the final with the local favourite, losing by a point. Left it all in there

I am looking forward to the Whyte fight

That's all well and good but the pros are a totally different game altogether. I'm looking forward to the Whyte fight myself. Can't see anything other than an AJ win but hopefully Whyte asks some questions. It's gonna be tough to find guys who can give AJ rounds whilst remaining competitive. Someone like Briggs, Ustinov, Wach would last a bit longer but not sure how much of a threat they'd be.

[Boxerbeetle]

Does anyone think if they fought right now (or three to six months time) that Joshua would win?

Possibly.

I think the problem for Joshua, is that if it went past 3 rounds, he'd struggle, as he's no experience of that, and possibly hasn't built the stamina for a longer fight, or learned to pace himself.

I'd wager him having a good chance to stop it quickly though. Tyson wouldn't stand up to a barrage of Joshua's punches.

Basically this. It would likely either be a Joshua win via early ko, or a Fury win via decision/late stoppage.

[SteveDow]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing ... oshua.html

[afcmarshall]

If AJ beats Whyte easily who would want to fight him that will give him rounds and test him? I cant see anyone ranked fairly high taking a chance on facing AJ and risking there own chance of fighting Fury/Wilder. Think AJ might have to eventually take a massive step up and go for a world title without being properly tested

[the_doctor]

If AJ beats Whyte easily who would want to fight him that will give him rounds and test him? I cant see anyone ranked fairly high taking a chance on facing AJ and risking there own chance of fighting Fury/Wilder. Think AJ might have to eventually take a massive step up and go for a world title without being properly tested

Didn't do Fury any harm. Sometimes the only opponents who can really test you are at the elite or near elite level.

I don't think being "tested" necessarily means taking clean shots to the chin but if Joshua can demonstrate he can handle someone with a bit of skill and power coming at him then that's enough to prepare him for the top level guys. The best chin is the one that doesn't get hit.