Tommy Hearns vs Felix Trinidad @ 154lbs

damien590 · Post by **damien590** » 29 Jan 2006, 16:14

In their primes, who wins?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 16:25

I like Hearns in this one. His movement was better ,had a sharper heavier jab too.Late stoppage .

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 30 Jan 2006, 08:10

Hearns would KO Trinidad IMO

theone · Post by **theone** » 30 Jan 2006, 09:56

Hearns by brutal ko inside of three.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 30 Jan 2006, 09:59

theone wrote:Hearns by brutal ko inside of three.

Wow, we agree on another one!!

theone · Post by **theone** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:17

Wow, we agree on another one!!

Yeah I know, but this one was too easy.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:23

theone wrote:Hearns by brutal ko inside of three.

Inside of three minutes.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:31

theone wrote:
Wow, we agree on another one!!
Yeah I know, but this one was too easy.

Don't spoil the moment.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 30 Jan 2006, 11:21

Let me ask this, what if Tito connected first? I wouldn’t dismiss Tito so easy. I remember everyone talking that Vargas was going to kill Tito in less than three rounds and Tito connected first and that was the end. And please, please I’m in no way comparing Hearn’s to Vargas, I just want to point out a lesson that I learned long time ago to never, never dismiss a puncher chance. For me would have to be whoever landed first. Left hook of Tito vs. right hand of Hearns. Hearns like someone said before was bigger, faster and hit harder than Tito, but I’m pretty sure if Tito tap his chin, he would go down.

theone · Post by **theone** » 30 Jan 2006, 11:29

Let me ask this, what if Tito connected first? I wouldn’t dismiss Tito so easy. I remember everyone talking that Vargas was going to kill Tito in less than three rounds and Tito connected first and that was the end. And please, please I’m in no way comparing Hearn’s to Vargas, I just one to point out a lesson that I learned long time ago to never, never dismiss a puncher chance. For me would have to be whoever hit first. Hearn’s like someone said before was bigger, faster and hit harder than Tito, but I’m pretty sure if Tito tap his chin, he would go down.

Trinidad had enough power to hurt anyone, this is true, but style wise this is a very bad fight for him. Tommy was faster, a much better boxer and probably hit harder at that weight, especially with the right hand. In all likely hood Hearns lands first and more often. Remember, Trinidads chin was a bit questionable at welter, Tommy's was not. That came later, after the beating he took from Hagler.

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 30 Jan 2006, 12:20

Trinidad would have an outside punchers chance, thats about it, Hearns by KO

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 30 Jan 2006, 12:37

Decagon wrote:Asking what would happen if Trinidad connected first is like asking what would happen if Trinidad were competing in an Iron Man competition, if he finished the bike portion before Lance Armstrong. The talent differential is simply huge.

It seems we always disagree so lets continued, my point is he has a slim chance of connecting and winning, but nevertheless he has a puncher chance, talent alone doesn’t always guarantee a win. Throughout history there have been much bigger upsets. Most recently Tarver vs. Jones jr., Baldomir vs. Judah that nobody gave the kid a chance, but it happens and although I realize that difference in talent is huge, but the power of Tito makes him a legitimate treat and that is all I’m saying. Give him at least a remote puncher chance.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jan 2006, 12:38

Hearns at Welterweight was a much better Boxer than Trinidad.

The Hitman wins this one.

Now Trinidad vs Cuevas would course some fireworks.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 30 Jan 2006, 13:31

Decagon wrote:A lot of tears in Puerto Rico, that night.

At least we do agree in something

woe31 · Post by **woe31** » 30 Jan 2006, 23:49

borinken25 wrote:Let me ask this, what if Tito connected first? I wouldn’t dismiss Tito so easy. I remember everyone talking that Vargas was going to kill Tito in less than three rounds and Tito connected first and that was the end. And please, please I’m in no way comparing Hearn’s to Vargas, I just want to point out a lesson that I learned long time ago to never, never dismiss a puncher chance. For me would have to be whoever landed first. Left hook of Tito vs. right hand of Hearns. Hearns like someone said before was bigger, faster and hit harder than Tito, but I’m pretty sure if Tito tap his chin, he would go down.

When did Tito ever connect first though? He was a notoriously slow starter who used the first few rounds to feel out his opponent and then gradually up his workrate. Hearns is not the kind of guy you can afford to start slowly against and I reckon he'd stop Trinidad in the second. If Tito were able to weather the early storm I could see it developing in to a very entertaining scrap with Hearns winning a 9-10 round stoppage.

ringsider · Post by **ringsider** » 31 Jan 2006, 01:44

Hearns KO's Tito easily. It is a no brainer.

Now Cuevas vs. Trinidad....I have to say Tito KOs Pipino.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 01 Feb 2006, 10:05

If Tito lands then he could win as Hearns didn't have the best chin.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 01 Feb 2006, 11:58

Well to be fare Hearns was TKO by Leonard who was never considered a puncher and at 154 he was dropped by feather fisted Benitez and those are some of reason why his chin was not considered that good and as far as his defense was average the only problem many fighters had with him was his height, Not his Defense and Tito was much closer to him in height than many other and it is possible for him to land his bread and butter left hook. What is amazing is that not many people will give Tito a puncher chance. If you really sit and think about is not that far fetch to think that way because Tito is known to have problem with extremely good defensive fighters and Hearns is not in that category. Again and this is just my opinion not fact, I believe whoever landed first will win.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:05

Decagon wrote:I don't think it was Hearns's chin that really failed him against Leonard; he simply ran out of gas. And you're complaining about one knockdown Hearns suffered at 154? Damn near everyone Trinidad faced put him on the canvas!

The argument is not whether Trinidad would go down or not, I think that there is a unanimous consensus that Hearns would’ve KO Trinidad including myself if he landed first. The argument is could’ve Trinidad KO Hearns if he landed first, and I do believe 100% that if that is the case Tito would’ve KO him. If nobody agree is fine, but in my opinion Trinidad did represent a legitimate treat to Hearns at 147 or 154.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:22

Decagon wrote:Look at all the flush shots it took Hagler to take Hearns down.

This is something people forget. Tommy took a lot of flush shots from Hagler and Leonard before being KO'd. Later on in his career he was a little bit chinny but in his prime he wasn't KO'd easily.

barry · Post by **barry** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:33

While I think Hearns would win in the match-up one thing is for certain...when down, Trinidad always got up to win and usually win very big...something Hearns never did do, when he went down he was down! If Trinidad landed first and hurt Hearns, he would probably take him out, but I just think Hearns would land first and when he landed fighters rarely ever shook it off.

evndrbsn · Post by **evndrbsn** » 01 Feb 2006, 13:34

borinken25 wrote:
Decagon wrote:I don't think it was Hearns's chin that really failed him against Leonard; he simply ran out of gas. And you're complaining about one knockdown Hearns suffered at 154? Damn near everyone Trinidad faced put him on the canvas!
The argument is not whether Trinidad would go down or not, I think that there is a unanimous consensus that Hearns would’ve KO Trinidad including myself if he landed first. The argument is could’ve Trinidad KO Hearns if he landed first, and I do believe 100% that if that is the case Tito would’ve KO him. If nobody agree is fine, but in my opinion Trinidad did represent a legitimate treat to Hearns at 147 or 154.

I understand what you are saying, but it doesn't work here. Example: what if David Tua would have landed first against Lennox Lewis? Well, he didn't. Same with Trinidad. He wouldn't have landed first against Hearns because Hearns was a better fighter in every single category. Hearns would dish out all the punishment in this fight and it would be over quickly. A true slaughter.

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 01 Feb 2006, 14:44

barry wrote:While I think Hearns would win in the match-up one thing is for certain...when down, Trinidad always got up to win and usually win very big...something Hearns never did do, when he went down he was down! If Trinidad landed first and hurt Hearns, he would probably take him out, but I just think Hearns would land first and when he landed fighters rarely ever shook it off.

That is something that I agree.

barry · Post by **barry** » 01 Feb 2006, 17:29

Research....you can do your research...I watched the fights!

Borinken25 · Post by **Borinken25** » 01 Feb 2006, 18:00

I don’t need the research because I saw Hearns live on TV many times and maybe to your surprise I bet money on the Hagler vs. Hearns fight and the two reasons why I bet on Hagler was for one I believe that Hagler was going to able to take Hearns power and the second was because believe or not was Hearns suspect chin. I have about 30+ years of experience as a boxing fanatic fan and that is something you don’t get by doing research. You mention before how many flush shots took Hagler to take down Hearns? Sorry to answer with another question. When was Hagler known as a KO artist? How many times did Hagler KO a fighter with one punch? Hagler KO’s came from accumulation of punishment not KO power as oppose to Trinidad.

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