A lil g Fanboy Nightmare

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sucracristo wrote:
koolkc107 wrote: http://www.BS.com/wbc-prez-app ... der--98592

They are not going to strip Canelo.
read the article and that is not what it says, even implicitly.
sulaiman said explicitly that it is completely up to the promoters.
i'm sure that is what GB wants, and maybe that is what mauricio is repeating.
it is also what the announcers were saying immediately after the fight, that
they would both be fighting other people. i laughed a little when they said they
weren't worried about lawsuits in that article, considering that they had to declare
bankruptcy and wouldn't even exist anymore if it weren't for the grace of
roccigiani. the schedule for negotiations and purse bids is in the contracts,
and was officially announced and repeated many times since. perhaps GGG
will be willing to wait a little longer if he gets paid and gets a shot at the wbo in
the interim with an iron clad agreement canelo will fight him in the fall, with
money set aside to cover GGG if canelo backs out. when they specifically discussed
GGG fighting on the cinco de mayo card that made my ears perk up because that
would get GGG paid probably more than he has made before, satisfying one of the
requirements, and if andy lee got by saunders then GGG could lock him in on that card
and take the wbo as the co-main event, satisfying the second requirement, and then
canelo fighting another 154lber would help hype the fall fight and give canelo a payday
to set money aside to secure GGG. the idea that the wbc is going to tell GGG to screw
if he doesn't step aside is lunacy though. that article doesn't come close to saying that
and explicitly says it is totally up to GB and K2. maybe suliaman said it because he
thinks the deal is doable, which is a whole other thing.
Did you read the same article I did?

How could you come away with anything but the fact that there really is NO 15 DAY DEADLINE?

Read this and understand well: THE WBC WILL NOT BE STRIPPING CANELO OF ANYTHING ANYTIME SOON.

Here is the entire article. It is pretty clear what is happening even if you don't want to acknowledge it:


By Jose Luis Camarillo, notifight.com

The World Boxing Council (WBC) is willing to support "everything necessary" to ensure that a mandatory fight takes place between their new middleweight world champion, Mexico's Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, and his mandatory challenger, unbeaten Kazakh Gennady "GGG" Golovkin, who also holds the WBA/IBO/IBF titles.

WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman likes the idea of having a doubleheader on Cinco De Mayo weekend, where both boxers appears on the same card to make title defenses, and then use that event to build toward a September showdown on Mexican Independence Day weekend.

He feels the fight can become much bigger with both boxers making defenses prior to a showdown in 2016.

"There is no disadvantage [in doing a doubleheader]. The subject [of making the fight] is in the hands of the promoters, Golden Boy Promotions and K2. They already know what the whole situation, especially if they reach an agreement where everyone makes a defense [prior to their mandatory fight] and use that as a leading into making this a much bigger event, with greater benefits for them - as was the case for Canelo against (Miguel) Cotto, where they did quite a job to maximize the event," Sulaiman said.

Sulaiman also says he is not worried about a potential lawsuit from Roc Nation Sports, who promote Miguel Cotto. There is a monetary dispute over last weekend's show, because of a financial split between RNS and Golden Boy - which Golden Boy wanted to change after the WBC recognized Cotto as their middleweight champion for failure to pay a sanctioning fee for the fight.

"Roc Nation has threatened to sue the WBC for everything that happened in the week of the function in Las Vegas, but we do not care. Instead of doing something negative, we did many things to support the function and the result was obvious, it was a great success," Sulaiman said



Still think there is going to be a new champ in 8 days?

Or a forced purse bid down the road?

If you do you aint payin' attention.
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When is the last time Canelo cared about a belt?
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Badhusker wrote:When is the last time Canelo cared about a belt?
Before his last fight. And after it, he was clearly in love with the green belt.
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Kooli, do you think that a contract wasn't signed before the cotto canelo fight about the mandatory, please, you live in a fantasy world, GGG would have to agree to it, which he might
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Just a little more sign of what is in store..

"Due to the holiday week of Thanksgiving celebrated in the USA, and considering the goodwill of both parties to finalize an agreement, the WBC has extended until Friday, December 11, the time to have a final resolution of this matter in accordance to the WBC rules and regulations."


http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post ... iscussions

This when one of the parties is Mexican and the other Kazakh.

Just remember, the green wienie is coming and lil g is probably not gonna like it.

His best scenario out of this is a fight in September...
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The whole thing about Canelo is that Floyd walked him down and beat him up.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The whole thing about Canelo is that Floyd walked him down and beat him up.
And it was a beautiful thing.
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SFW wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:The whole thing about Canelo is that Floyd walked him down and beat him up.
And it was a beautiful thing.
And if lil g is for real, he will do the same and worse no matter what weight they fight at.

Found this article and I think it has a lot of good takes.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/12/gol ... -he-wants/
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I never really chime in much about the weight class and catch weight stuff, but I will say that 155 in an unreasonable demand.
However, Hopkins did 156 for DLH. I think Canelo should set it at 157.

What really makes this instance of catch weights more cowardly is that Canelo might outweigh GGG on fight night.
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BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I never really chime in much about the weight class and catch weight stuff, but I will say that 155 in an unreasonable demand.
However, Hopkins did 156 for DLH. I think Canelo should set it at 157.

What really makes this instance of catch weights more cowardly is that Canelo might outweigh GGG on fight night.
Sorry, but there is more than just "he rehydrates to 170 plus" to this. Canelo has never fought a true middleweight.

Shouldn't that be taken into account? Several welters and super lightweights we know are 165 on fight night. Does that mean they should fight Gennady too?

There's levels to this.

And a lot of them favor Canelo and have nothing to do with any kind of ducking or cowardice.
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koolkc107 wrote: Canelo has never fought a true middleweight.
then... vacate... the... title...
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sucracristo wrote:
koolkc107 wrote: Canelo has never fought a true middleweight.
then... vacate... the... title...
One way to see it.

Another is "they let me win it at 155, why can't I defend it at that?"
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koolkc107 wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I never really chime in much about the weight class and catch weight stuff, but I will say that 155 in an unreasonable demand.
However, Hopkins did 156 for DLH. I think Canelo should set it at 157.

What really makes this instance of catch weights more cowardly is that Canelo might outweigh GGG on fight night.
Sorry, but there is more than just "he rehydrates to 170 plus" to this. Canelo has never fought a true middleweight.

Shouldn't that be taken into account? Several welters and super lightweights we know are 165 on fight night. Does that mean they should fight Gennady too?

There's levels to this.

And a lot of them favor Canelo and have nothing to do with any kind of ducking or cowardice.
Yea, they should. (In reference to the welters who weigh 165 on fight night.)
I'm for same day weigh-ins and fighters being weighed year round and staying within 10% of their fighting weight.

As a fellow Floyd fan, you would have loved to see Floyd against guys his weight. He would have had a 85% knockout rate.
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koolkc107 wrote:
sucracristo wrote:
koolkc107 wrote: Canelo has never fought a true middleweight.
then... vacate... the... title...
One way to see it.

Another is "they let me win it at 155, why can't I defend it at that?"
Unfortunately your correct
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So called deadline is 2 days away.

Anyone want to make a friendly wager about whether or not Canelo will be stripped of the title?

I say no....

By the way, I think the lil g camp just blinked. Check out Abel Sanchez:

"If he wants to make a fight, he can fight at 155lbs if he wants, but the maximum weight for the fight is 160lbs. He has to negotiate with Tom Loeffler and the Hermann brothers. We'll see what's going to happen. If not with Canelo and we get the [WBC] belt, then great. If we get Canelo in May and we have to fight at 158 for the title, it doesn't matter," Sanchez said.

http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/26167 ... -fight.htm
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If Canelo throws enough money, he can purchase a couple of pounds. At 158, he will get stopped anyway.
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All that says is GGG is willing to give a little to make the fight happen, if canelo tries to dig his heels in at 155 and not budge then that will only make canelo look bad, GGG willing to compromise where canelo isn't, very bad look for a Mexican WARRIOR to his countrymen, and this garbage you carry on about he has never fought a real MW is just an excuse made up by fans like yourself who really can't excuse why canelo won't step up to the plate
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Pureist wrote:All that says is GGG is willing to give a little to make the fight happen, if canelo tries to dig his heels in at 155 and not budge then that will only make canelo look bad, GGG willing to compromise where canelo isn't, very bad look for a Mexican WARRIOR to his countrymen, and this garbage you carry on about he has never fought a real MW is just an excuse made up by fans like yourself who really can't excuse why canelo won't step up to the plate
OK, if it is garbage tell me what middleweight he has fought.

It is irrelevant what he rehydrates to.

He needs experience at the weight before he fights any top middleweight, nevermind one who
some folks think is the best of the lot.

I'd say the same thing if it was Jacobs or Lee. Canelo needs the catchweight with a full middle.

What is relevant is where he weighs in and where the folks he has fought have weighed in.

If all we are basing someone's readiness on is where he rehydrates or what he walks around at
when he is not in camp then by that logic it makes just about as much sense for Brandon Rios to fight lil g
as it does Canelo. Hell, maybe Adrian Broner is available, we've seen what he walks around at.

See how stupid it sounds when you actually apply common sense?

It isn't about Mexican machismo, and you can bet that won't be what determines what happens here.

It will be 155 or no fight if lil g wants May.

Or it will be interim fights (at least 1 and perhaps 2) with lil g having no choice but to fight better
competition to keep his name in the picture- and that will carry its own risks.
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The irrelevant part is who he has fought, he holds the lineal MW title, that's not a 155 belt, he knew the circumstances before he fought for the belt, everything about the mandatory would have been signed, sealed and delivered before the cotto fight, he will have to pay a massive step aside incentive and only GGG will be able to allow him do that
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Pureist wrote:The irrelevant part is who he has fought, he holds the lineal MW title, that's not a 155 belt, he knew the circumstances before he fought for the belt, everything about the mandatory would have been signed, sealed and delivered before the cotto fight, he will have to pay a massive step aside incentive and only GGG will be able to allow him do that
Well, it is clear you just haven't been paying attention.

We are talking about the sanctioning body that invented the diamond belt.

The sanctioning body that has a history of allowing belts, lineal or otherwise, to be defended via catch weights.

Including the last 3 times its middleweight belt was on the line.

A total of zero dollars in step aside money was paid in these instances.

And there is no indication any will be paid in the future- as a matter of fact, the only info we have is about how Cotto refused to pay lil g the step aside fee.

Clearly, I named this thread correctly.

Gennady's fanboys are just unable to come to grips with the reality of his situation.

But it is OK, that is why I am here. To help y'all do that.
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koolkc107 wrote:
OK, if it is garbage tell me what middleweight he has fought.

It is irrelevant what he rehydrates to.

He needs experience at the weight before he fights any top middleweight, nevermind one who
some folks think is the best of the lot.

I'd say the same thing if it was Jacobs or Lee. Canelo needs the catchweight with a full middle.

What is relevant is where he weighs in and where the folks he has fought have weighed in.

If all we are basing someone's readiness on is where he rehydrates or what he walks around at
when he is not in camp then by that logic it makes just about as much sense for Brandon Rios to fight lil g
as it does Canelo. Hell, maybe Adrian Broner is available, we've seen what he walks around at.

See how stupid it sounds when you actually apply common sense?

It isn't about Mexican machismo, and you can bet that won't be what determines what happens here.

It will be 155 or no fight if lil g wants May.

Or it will be interim fights (at least 1 and perhaps 2) with lil g having no choice but to fight better
competition to keep his name in the picture- and that will carry its own risks.
This thought process defeats the purpose of having weight classes and belts. Canelo paid his fee's that made him eligible to win the title and now that he has it, it's not boxing's job to get him acclimated to the position. Give me a break. What you're saying is that now that Canelo has won the second most cherished title in the sport, we should ease him in. Let's get him comfortable at Middleweight before anyone else worthy and striving years for it gets their shot at the minimum weight allowable for the weight class? That's garbage man.

Can you imagine Marvin Hagler doing something like this? This is not just an IBF belt we are talking about here. The lineal Middleweight Champion of the world. There's only been 8 boxers since Marvin Hagler to hold this distinction so don't you think that whoever owns it should defend it with integrity? I do. Maybe i'm the minority again in my thinking. I love Canelo and love that he's champion but he's not bigger than the title he owns. He's fortunate that he got to fight a midget for it but that's where the luck should end. There are a bunch of Middleweights that have dedicated their lives, fighting at MW, to get a crack at this belt. This is not intern position he landed here.
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caldo2025 wrote:
koolkc107 wrote:
OK, if it is garbage tell me what middleweight he has fought.

It is irrelevant what he rehydrates to.

He needs experience at the weight before he fights any top middleweight, nevermind one who
some folks think is the best of the lot.

I'd say the same thing if it was Jacobs or Lee. Canelo needs the catchweight with a full middle.

What is relevant is where he weighs in and where the folks he has fought have weighed in.

If all we are basing someone's readiness on is where he rehydrates or what he walks around at
when he is not in camp then by that logic it makes just about as much sense for Brandon Rios to fight lil g
as it does Canelo. Hell, maybe Adrian Broner is available, we've seen what he walks around at.

See how stupid it sounds when you actually apply common sense?

It isn't about Mexican machismo, and you can bet that won't be what determines what happens here.

It will be 155 or no fight if lil g wants May.

Or it will be interim fights (at least 1 and perhaps 2) with lil g having no choice but to fight better
competition to keep his name in the picture- and that will carry its own risks.
This thought process defeats the purpose of having weight classes and belts. Canelo paid his fee's that made him eligible to win the title and now that he has it, it's not boxing's job to get him acclimated to the position. Give me a break. What you're saying is that now that Canelo has won the second most cherished title in the sport, we should ease him in. Let's get him comfortable at Middleweight before anyone else worthy and striving years for it gets their shot at the minimum weight allowable for the weight class? That's garbage man.

Can you imagine Marvin Hagler doing something like this? This is not just an IBF belt we are talking about here. The lineal Middleweight Champion of the world. There's only been 8 boxers since Marvin Hagler to hold this distinction so don't you think that whoever owns it should defend it with integrity? I do. Maybe i'm the minority again in my thinking. I love Canelo and love that he's champion but he's not bigger than the title he owns. He's fortunate that he got to fight a midget for it but that's where the luck should end. There are a bunch of Middleweights that have dedicated their lives, fighting at MW, to get a crack at this belt. This is not intern position he landed here.
Preaching to the choir, Caldo.

I have no great love for catchweights and normally I'd agree with pretty much everything you are saying here.

I believe I had a similar discussion with Husker upthread.

We are not talking about an ideal situation...we are talking about a specific set of circumstances.

And, garbage or no, everyone involved has had a hand in creating it, not just Canelo.

The time to get sanctified about lineal belts being defended at the full weight limit was years ago
not just when a certain fighters fanboys don't want him to risk draining himself.

This goes back at least to Martinez/Cotto...and probably further.

And how is the WBC going to refuse Canelo when they let Floyd get away with the same mess on him in 2013?

We have also listened to lil g say for years he can go up or down for the right fight, a big money fight.
Yet, faced with the most lucrative fight out there, he all of a sudden can't go down?
This, while still telling everyone he can make 154 if some guy comes out of retirement...
or sending another fighter an offer to fight him at 164, an weight that fighter has never fought at,
would have more difficulty making than Gennady would trying 155, and would clearly give lil g
an even better advantage in THAT fight than Canelo would enjoy if lil g came down?

Yeah Caldo, ideally you are right and it is garbage.

But everyone involved here- Canelo, the WBC, lil g, and promoters and trainers to boot- has contributed to
the present clusterf7ck we now find ourselves in.

And the only thing I am certain of is that the WBC won't be stripping a cash cow like Canelo to please a guy
that can't even muster 100K buys right now.
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Mauricio Sulaiman ‏@wbcmoro 24m24 minutes ago
Tomorrow Friday 11 the status of @WBCBoxing middleweight division will be announced @Canelo @GGGBoxing
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Answer these 2 questions with a yes or no answer kooli, does canelo hold the lineal MW title, did canelo know who he had to fight NEXT when he won the title, if the answer is yes to those 2 questions then that's how easy it is, stop feeling sorry for the 175 LMW diva
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