Yeah, It's Bradley

[koolkc107]

Pac's final tilt will be a completion of a trilogy.

I will give my take on this downthread.

For now, the LA Times article in full:

Manny Pacquiao’s next opponent will be announced Friday, Pacquiao’s promoter said Tuesday, with many indications that it’ll be a third bout against Timothy Bradley Jr.

Promoter Bob Arum told The Times on Tuesday that Pacquiao’s bout has been confirmed for April 9 at MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

The announcement will be made from Puerto Rico on a truTV broadcast of a card featuring the country’s gifted fighter, Felix Verdejo.

World Boxing Organization welterweight champion Bradley (33-1-1, 13 knockouts) is coming off an impressive ninth-round stoppage of Brandon Rios on Nov. 7 in Las Vegas, his first bout with new trainer Teddy Atlas.

Bradley’s manager, his wife, Monica Bradley, said nothing’s final, but she’s been in talks with Top Rank President Todd duBoef.

“A lot can change in the next three days, but Todd and I have developed a good relationship. I like the way we do business,” Monica Bradley said.

An official close to Arum’s promotional company, Top Rank Inc., said those conversations have been about finalizing purse money, while such talks have not taken place with Pacquiao’s other possible choice, unbeaten junior-welterweight champion Terence Crawford.

Bradley won a highly disputed 2012 split decision over Pacquiao, then was beaten by unanimous decision in their April 2014 rematch.

“Tim’s very excited – more about this one than either of the others before,” Monica Bradley said. “With a new trainer, it’ll be a whole different Tim Bradley. Teddy has done so much for Tim … people might think they’ve seen the best Tim Bradley. They haven’t yet.”

Pacquiao (57-6-2), who’ll turn 37 on Dec. 17, hasn’t fought since reaggravating a shoulder injury in his May 2 unanimous-decision loss to Floyd Mayweather Jr. – the richest fight in history.

Arum has said the April 9 bout will be Pacquiao’s final fight as he seeks a seat in the Senate in the Philippines, but Pacquiao has been quoted in his home country as saying he’d like another crack at Mayweather, who announced his retirement following a September victory.

Bradley will be in Puerto Rico as an analyst on the fight broadcast and Crawford has been invited to the island for the announcement, his manager Cameron Dunkin said.

Dunkin said Crawford is scheduled to fight on two HBO cards and a pay-per-view bout in 2016, with opponents including Lucas Matthysse, Ruslan Provodnikov and fellow 140-pound champion Viktor Postol in play.

Former 140-pound champion Amir Khan fell out of consideration for Pacquiao recently due to complicated negotiations.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow ... story.html

[Horse]

More of Bob Arum's in-house circle jerk.

[koolkc107]

More of Bob Arum's in-house circle jerk.

Definitely.

Arum has done it Pac's whole career, so why should now be any different?

[Undefeated49-0]

People need to stop sh@tting on Manny for taking this fight, he is just playing it safe. He knows that Bradley cannot KO him nor outbox him and he knows that a fighter like Crawford may be able to do so, so rather than risk going out on a humiliating KO loss to Crawford or being soundly outboxed by a younger/lesser experienced fighter it is safer to take on Bradley for the exact opposite reasons.

[koolkc107]

People need to stop sh@tting on Manny for taking this fight, he is just playing it safe. He knows that Bradley cannot KO him nor outbox him and he knows that a fighter like Crawford may be able to do so, so rather than risk going out on a humiliating KO loss to Crawford or being soundly outboxed by a younger/lesser experienced fighter it is safer to take on Bradley for the exact opposite reasons.

Call me crazy but I actually think Crawford is the safer option.

Bud has never fought anyone with Pac's combination of speed and power.

I keep thinking about how less than a year and a half ago, Gamboa had him on Queer Street.

And the time it took him to figure out Dulorme and Jean, and how a lightweight in Beltran took all his shots.

Crawford is very, very good- he may even wind up being great.

But right now, even a diminished Pac walks right thru him.

Not so with Tim.

Bradley, having fought him twice already, not only has no fear of Manny,
but might actually be one of less than a handful of guys that actually have a clue
about how to go about beating Pac.

Add Atlas to that mix and you have a very real chance of an upset folks are not seeing coming.

My guess is Tim does the exact opposite of what he did the second fight.

I bet he boxes at least the first 6 rounds, tries to keep it close that way while he "puts
water in the basement" as Teddy would say.

Then, come round 8 or 9, he tries the brawling tactics that had him even thru the first 6
rounds of the second fight.

Bradley by late stoppage.

[DrunkenBoxer]

If Bradley wins this fight by KO or clear decision, it will shut up the teddy atlas haters and just prove that teddy's training has made an improvement on Bradley's boxing abilities.

[Baby Face Finster]

More of Bob Arum's in-house circle jerk.

Definitely.

Arum has done it Pac's whole career, so why should now be any different?

Right...because fighting Oscar De La Hoya, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manual Marqez, Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito was simply feeding him scrubs.

You are such a fvcking idiot. Your hatred for Pacquiao is unreal. Even after your idol defeated him you are still unhappy and ragging on Manny even though your idol decided to take a far easier final fight than the one Manny is doing.

[Undefeated49-0]

People need to stop sh@tting on Manny for taking this fight, he is just playing it safe. He knows that Bradley cannot KO him nor outbox him and he knows that a fighter like Crawford may be able to do so, so rather than risk going out on a humiliating KO loss to Crawford or being soundly outboxed by a younger/lesser experienced fighter it is safer to take on Bradley for the exact opposite reasons.

Call me crazy but I actually think Crawford is the safer option.

Bud has never fought anyone with Pac's combination of speed and power.

I keep thinking about how less than a year and a half ago, Gamboa had him on Queer Street.

And the time it took him to figure out Dulorme and Jean, and how a lightweight in Beltran took all his shots.

Crawford is very, very good- he may even wind up being great.

But right now, even a diminished Pac walks right thru him.

Not so with Tim.

Bradley, having fought him twice already, not only has no fear of Manny,
but might actually be one of less than a handful of guys that actually have a clue
about how to go about beating Pac.

Add Atlas to that mix and you have a very real chance of an upset folks are not seeing coming.

My guess is Tim does the exact opposite of what he did the second fight.

I bet he boxes at least the first 6 rounds, tries to keep it close that way while he "puts
water in the basement" as Teddy would say.

Then, come round 8 or 9, he tries the brawling tactics that had him even thru the first 6
rounds of the second fight.

Bradley by late stoppage.

No I wouldn't say you're crazy, you've justified your thoughts but allow me to say that I really didn't see Bud struggle with Dulorme, if anyone who saw that fight from a tactician's point of view then it was clear to see that Crawford was setting him up from the moment the bell rang and then finished the fight off picture perfect the way he wanted to.

Beltran is tougher than people give him credit for so that isn't a knock on Bud for not being able to get rid of him, many fighters who have far more technical abilities than Bud have faced similar competition and wasn't able to KO their opponent (Floyd vs Guerrero comes to mind).

Pointing out that Gamboa had Bud shook is the equivalent of pointing out that Bradley (not known for his punching power) had Manny shook, in the end none of it really meant anything because look who won those bouts.

I can't see Pac walking right through him no matter what and I've said before that I don't consider Manny as past it as some people are suggesting, sure his power might not be what it once was but he's far craftier now than he was when he was younger.

I can't see Bradley stopping Pac either simply because he stopped a fat @$$ Rios even if he does box, it will take volume punching for him to stop Manny and in order to do that he has to be willing to take it in return and we all saw him get put on Queer Street by Vargas and we all know Pac hits harder than him.

I can't see Bradley winning by KO but it may be possible for him to potshot his way to a win as long as Atlas keeps Tim moving and throwing one two's then he can win it by constantly circling him and going to the body early.

[diddy]

WHY?

WHY WHY WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?????????????????????????

F*ck! Fight Khan. Or Crawford.

Boxing sucks.

[Pureist]

Still way better than floyds last, still I'd rather either of the other 2

[caldo2025]

Again, I love it. No one else would make any sense for Manny except JMM or Floyd himself. I just don't get the lack of interest so far from posters about this fight. Out of any of the current WW's, I'd rather Tim Bradley get the victory over Manny. It would be awful and a typical ending to a great boxer's career unfortunately if one of these young guns came in and cleaned Manny's clock and get that W over Manny on his resume. Tim Bradley deserves it more than anyone else as well so good for him.

If I were establishing the lines in Vegas, i'd be favoring Bradley or have it a pick em'. I don't think Bradley is any different in there but the relationship with Atlas is new and fresh and that parlays into extra effort and focus in the ring so Manny's got his hands full in this one. My prediction is Tim Bradley via stoppage or a tight decision. Got nothing but respect for this lion Bradley.

[Batley18]

Again, I love it. No one else would make any sense for Manny except JMM or Floyd himself. I just don't get the lack of interest so far from posters about this fight. Out of any of the current WW's, I'd rather Tim Bradley get the victory over Manny. It would be awful and a typical ending to a great boxer's career unfortunately if one of these young guns came in and cleaned Manny's clock and get that W over Manny on his resume. Tim Bradley deserves it more than anyone else as well so good for him.

If I were establishing the lines in Vegas, i'd be favoring Bradley or have it a pick em'. I don't think Bradley is any different in there but the relationship with Atlas is new and fresh and that parlays into extra effort and focus in the ring so Manny's got his hands full in this one. My prediction is Tim Bradley via stoppage or a tight decision. Got nothing but respect for this lion Bradley.

Because we have seen it, twice. I think a career ending fight should either be the emergence of a new superstar, like Pac Man against DLH, or it should be them beating the potential superstar. I think Crawford would have been an ideal fight to finish it off, don't see the logical sense in it being Bradley.

[koolkc107]

More of Bob Arum's in-house circle jerk.

Definitely.

Arum has done it Pac's whole career, so why should now be any different?

Right...because fighting Oscar De La Hoya, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Juan Manual Marqez, Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito was simply feeding him scrubs.

You are such a fvcking idiot. Your hatred for Pacquiao is unreal. Even after your idol defeated him you are still unhappy and ragging on Manny even though your idol decided to take a far easier final fight than the one Manny is doing.

Actually I was referring to Manny from light weight on.

The weakest beltholder in Diaz
A drained washed up DLH
A washed up Hatton who almost got KTFO by Lazcano earlier that year
A drained plaster damaged Cotto
A slightly better than journeyman Clottey
A drained, wrapless neverwas in Margarito
A shot Mosley
JMM was legit but in-house as was argued
Bradley, a jr welter, also in-house
Rios, a neverwas
Algieri, a jr welter

So the first really legit guy he fights (albeit a little over the hill) completely owns him.

The same way I just owned you.

[koolkc107]

No I wouldn't say you're crazy, you've justified your thoughts but allow me to say that I really didn't see Bud struggle with Dulorme, if anyone who saw that fight from a tactician's point of view then it was clear to see that Crawford was setting him up from the moment the bell rang and then finished the fight off picture perfect the way he wanted to.

Beltran is tougher than people give him credit for so that isn't a knock on Bud for not being able to get rid of him, many fighters who have far more technical abilities than Bud have faced similar competition and wasn't able to KO their opponent (Floyd vs Guerrero comes to mind).

Pointing out that Gamboa had Bud shook is the equivalent of pointing out that Bradley (not known for his punching power) had Manny shook, in the end none of it really meant anything because look who won those bouts.

I can't see Pac walking right through him no matter what and I've said before that I don't consider Manny as past it as some people are suggesting, sure his power might not be what it once was but he's far craftier now than he was when he was younger.

I can't see Bradley stopping Pac either simply because he stopped a fat @$$ Rios even if he does box, it will take volume punching for him to stop Manny and in order to do that he has to be willing to take it in return and we all saw him get put on Queer Street by Vargas and we all know Pac hits harder than him.

I can't see Bradley winning by KO but it may be possible for him to potshot his way to a win as long as Atlas keeps Tim moving and throwing one two's then he can win it by constantly circling him and going to the body early.

Yeah, he may have been setting up Dulorme but he was losing rounds doing it.

That tactic would be a death sentence vs Pac.

Beltran is tough, but the point I was making is that even at the same size Manny had as good or better chin;
and as a welter it may prove difficult for Crawford to KO Manny when a KO is pretty much what he is going to need.
Pac is still way to fast and athletic for Crawfords boxing to negate it.

And the fact that a lesser fighter like Gamboa had him shook is very relevant. Remember the change
Bud made after Yuriorkis buzzed him? He switched to southpaw. Is that going to work when Pac rings his bell?

The truth is, the only guys Pac has fought that he has been unable to walk right thru is JMM and Floyd.

And both men were on completely different levels of excellence than Bud is now.

By contrast, we've seen Bradley give Pac everything he could handle thru 6 rounds.

Not a far stretch to imagine him doing it for 12.

And with a strategist like Atlas working for him, I think a stoppage is on the table.

[Ricky_]

Actually I was referring to Manny from light weight on.

The weakest beltholder in Diaz
A drained washed up DLH
A washed up Hatton who almost got KTFO by Lazcano earlier that year
A drained plaster damaged Cotto
A slightly better than journeyman Clottey
A drained, wrapless neverwas in Margarito
A shot Mosley
JMM was legit but in-house as was argued
Bradley, a jr welter, also in-house
Rios, a neverwas
Algieri, a jr welter

So the first really legit guy he fights (albeit a little over the hill) completely owns him.

The same way I just owned you.

Brut, Manny Pacquiao has owned you, he has consumed your entire life with hatred, you think about him 24/7, awake or asleep, i bet you make voodoo dolls. You're his ultimate bitch.


But hey just for the fun of it;


Andre Berto - C level bum, stopped by Karass.
Manny Pacquiao - Lost, barely landed a punch, got caught doping.
Maidana - C level, won 1, Lost 1.
Alvarez - drained to a catchweight.
Guerrero - C level, a lightweight Floyd ran away from.
Cotto - "plaster damaged"
Ortiz - No contest
Mosley - Washed up old man
Marquez - Fat, made to jump 2 division for a catchweight - Floyd missed weight
Hatton - fought in a weight class Hatton fought in just once before, and lost to Collazo.
DeLaHoya - Over the hill.
Baldomir - 9 times a loser
Zab Judah - is zab judah
Sharmba Mitchell - ruined by Tszyu
Gatti - "C level fighter" - FMjr
Henry Bruseles - who?
Corley - now has 25 losses
Ndou - was fighting 8 rounders
Sosa - bum
Castillo - lost
Jesus Chavez - bum
Diego Corrales - Floyd's best win, not an elite fighter though.
Augustus - 16 losses

[tiny_acres]

Actually I was referring to Manny from light weight on.

The weakest beltholder in Diaz
A drained washed up DLH
A washed up Hatton who almost got KTFO by Lazcano earlier that year
A drained plaster damaged Cotto
A slightly better than journeyman Clottey
A drained, wrapless neverwas in Margarito
A shot Mosley
JMM was legit but in-house as was argued
Bradley, a jr welter, also in-house
Rios, a neverwas
Algieri, a jr welter

So the first really legit guy he fights (albeit a little over the hill) completely owns him.

The same way I just owned you.

Brut, Manny Pacquiao has owned you, he has consumed your entire life with hatred, you think about him 24/7, awake or asleep, i bet you make voodoo dolls. You're his ultimate bitch.


But hey just for the fun of it;


Andre Berto - C level bum, stopped by Karass.
Manny Pacquiao - Lost, barely landed a punch, got caught doping.
Maidana - C level, won 1, Lost 1.
Alvarez - drained to a catchweight.
Guerrero - C level, a lightweight Floyd ran away from.
Cotto - "plaster damaged"
Ortiz - No contest
Mosley - Washed up old man
Marquez - Fat, made to jump 2 division for a catchweight - Floyd missed weight
Hatton - fought in a weight class Hatton fought in just once before, and lost to Collazo.
DeLaHoya - Over the hill.
Baldomir - 9 times a loser
Zab Judah - is zab judah
Sharmba Mitchell - ruined by Tszyu
Gatti - "C level fighter" - FMjr
Henry Bruseles - who?
Corley - now has 25 losses
Ndou - was fighting 8 rounders
Sosa - bum
Castillo - lost
Jesus Chavez - bum
Diego Corrales - Floyd's best win, not an elite fighter though.
Augustus - 16 losses

Man both of you two are consumed with hatred.
Can't either one of you admit that both Pacquiao and Floyd were all time greats?

[PredatorHayds]

Good fight. I don't see this as being as one sided as the first two fights.

Pacman of a injury and a lay off and looking to be on the downward slope. I think this fight could go either way.

[Cyclops]

Right now it's a good fight

[crusader]

Boring

[koolkc107]

Actually I was referring to Manny from light weight on.

The weakest beltholder in Diaz
A drained washed up DLH
A washed up Hatton who almost got KTFO by Lazcano earlier that year
A drained plaster damaged Cotto
A slightly better than journeyman Clottey
A drained, wrapless neverwas in Margarito
A shot Mosley
JMM was legit but in-house as was argued
Bradley, a jr welter, also in-house
Rios, a neverwas
Algieri, a jr welter

So the first really legit guy he fights (albeit a little over the hill) completely owns him.

The same way I just owned you.

Brut, Manny Pacquiao has owned you, he has consumed your entire life with hatred, you think about him 24/7, awake or asleep, i bet you make voodoo dolls. You're his ultimate bitch.


But hey just for the fun of it;


Andre Berto - C level bum, stopped by Karass.
Manny Pacquiao - Lost, barely landed a punch, got caught doping.
Maidana - C level, won 1, Lost 1.
Alvarez - drained to a catchweight.
Guerrero - C level, a lightweight Floyd ran away from.
Cotto - "plaster damaged"
Ortiz - No contest
Mosley - Washed up old man
Marquez - Fat, made to jump 2 division for a catchweight - Floyd missed weight
Hatton - fought in a weight class Hatton fought in just once before, and lost to Collazo.
DeLaHoya - Over the hill.
Baldomir - 9 times a loser
Zab Judah - is zab judah
Sharmba Mitchell - ruined by Tszyu
Gatti - "C level fighter" - FMjr
Henry Bruseles - who?
Corley - now has 25 losses
Ndou - was fighting 8 rounders
Sosa - bum
Castillo - lost
Jesus Chavez - bum
Diego Corrales - Floyd's best win, not an elite fighter though.
Augustus - 16 losses

Man both of you two are consumed with hatred.
Can't either one of you admit that both Pacquiao and Floyd were all time greats?

I can't speak for Pretty Ricky, but I don't hate Pac.

I just don't think he is as great as some try to make him out to be.

First ballot HOFer? Absolutely.

Entertaining? I'd never miss a Pac fight.

But, best ever? No.

Best of his era? No. At least two guys in the same weight class were better- JMM and Floyd.

And I will just leave this argument by making the following comparison of each guys last 11 fights.
You want to call me biased, fine cuz I do favor Floyd over Manny in the ring. And outside, they both are no choirboys
but at least one of them isn't a hypocrite.

Mayweather
Berto- interim WBA champ; former WBC & IBF champ; coming off KO win
Pacquiao- WBO champion; 8 (or 7) time champion: coming off fight where he scored 6 KD of opponent
Maidana- WBA champion; won titles in 2 weight classes; coming off destruction of Broner
Alvarez- (CW at 152) WBC, WBA, and Ring Champion(154); undefeated entering contest
Guerrero- interim WBC champion; 3 weight class champion; coming off war with Berto
Cotto- WBA 154 champion( 4 titles in 3 weight classes); stopped prior 3 opponents
Ortiz- WBC champion; one loss prior to this fight (Maidana)
Mosley- WBA champion (5 belts, 3 lineal titles); coming off destruction of Margarito
JMM- (CW at 144, later changed)WBO/WBA 135 lb champ; 5 belts & 1 Ring title; coming off FOTY with Diaz
Hatton- Ring 140 lb champ; 4 belts, including WBA welterweight title; undefeated entering contest
DLH- WBC 154 champ; 7 belts, 3 lineal; coming off KO of Mayorga


Pacquiao
Mayweather- (UD loss) WBA,WBC, Ring and Lineal; undefeated before and after contest
Algieri- WBO 140 lb champ; coming of SD win; undefeated, first fight at welterweight
Bradley 2- WBO champ; 4 belts (3 at 140); undefeated, coming off SD win over JMM
Rios- Former WBA 135 champ; coming off loss at 140 to Alvarado; first fight at welterweight
JMM 4- (KO loss) Former 5x beltholder; coming off UD victory against Fedchencko for 140 lb interim belt
Bradley 1- (SD loss) WBO/WBC 140 lb belts; only 2nd fight at 147; coming off TKO of Casamayor
JMM 3- Former 5x beltholder; coming off round 1 KO of Likar Ramos
Mosley- former 5x beltholder (3 lineal); coming off draw with Mora and UD loss to Mayweather
Margarito- (CW for 154 lb belt at 150); coming off UD win over Garcia, 1 yr suspension, and KO loss to Mosley
Clottey- former IBF champ; coming off SD loss to Cotto
Cotto- (CW at 145) WBO champ; 3 belts in 2 classes; coming off SD win over Clottey; 16 months after cement

[Ricky_]

You want to call me biased, fine cuz I do favor Floyd over Manny in the ring. And outside, they both are no choirboys
but at least one of them isn't a hypocrite.

Brut you gem, that's one of your best. A racist, woman beating, convicted thug... but at least he's not a hypocrite.

[koolkc107]

You want to call me biased, fine cuz I do favor Floyd over Manny in the ring. And outside, they both are no choirboys
but at least one of them isn't a hypocrite.

Brut you gem, that's one of your best. A racist, woman beating, convicted thug... but at least he's not a hypocrite.

Son, the only things you calling me Brut proves is that he used to traumatize you and now I do.

Not one rebuttal on the last 11 fights, nor did I expect one...when you place what the two men have done side by side including all the details you start to understand how much better one is than the other.

And you are right about Floyd saying racists things and about him being convicted for domestic violence.

But I have previously posted factual info on this forum that proves Manny is at least as bad and may be much much worse.

Out of respect for the mods, I will not repost it...yet.

But what's worse: domestic violence or murder?
And we won't even go into Pac's views on certain lifestyles. But I do find it ironic how Manny got kind of a pass just by seeming to back peddle a little while Tyson Fury is now catching all kinds of hell for similar views.

[Ricky_]

Brut, you are a deranged individual.

[Undefeated49-0]

Went from me being called Brut to you being called Brut, this dude can't make up his mind.


Brut, Manny Pacquiao has owned you, he has consumed your entire life with hatred, you think about him 24/7, awake or asleep, i bet you make voodoo dolls. You're his ultimate bitch.


But hey just for the fun of it;


Andre Berto - C level bum, stopped by Karass. Berto who has a better career than the famed GGG
Manny Pacquiao - Lost, barely landed a punch, got caught doping. Beat him easily but you cannot accept it.
Maidana - C level, won 1, Lost 1. Won both but you somehow believe that UFC display was boxing.
Alvarez - drained to a catchweight. Canelo got 2lbs more than he said he'd fight for but you still say he was drained, was Cotto drained when he fought Manny??
Guerrero - C level, a lightweight Floyd ran away from. Won it so easily when you predicted a KO for Guerrero.
Cotto - "plaster damaged" (recovered and showed it by beating better fighters, even getting his revenge on the cheater), the same man Manny Pacquiao had to drain for his title.
Ortiz - No contest Got put to sleep in devastating fashion.
Mosley - Washed up old man Same old washed up man that took Manny Pacquiao 2 additional years to face, even being afraid to face Mosley though Shane agreed to face him at 142 (the weight they asked for)
Marquez - Fat, made to jump 2 division for a catchweight - Floyd missed weight Fat man who put Manny to sleep even though he was even older than he was when they last fought, what does this say about Manny letting this Senior Cititzen do that to him??
Hatton - fought in a weight class Hatton fought in just once before, and lost to Collazo. KO'd Kostya, was undefeated but yet Manny had to weight drain him back to 140 (the weight y'all say he was so good at) just to face him.
DeLaHoya - Over the hill. And to think that y'all give more credit to Manny for beating an even older weight drained skeleton DLH
Baldomir - 9 times a loser (same Baldomir that no fighter was able to KO all the way up until he was a dinosaur)
Zab Judah - is zab judah (Who had only 2 losses at the time and was supposed to be the man who was going to beat him)
Sharmba Mitchell - ruined by Tszyu (Kostya, ruined by Ricky Hatton who Floyd destroyed easily)
Gatti - "C level fighter" - FMjr (no argument here)
Henry Bruseles - who? (Tell that to Arum who was unwilling to give him Cotto at the time)
Corley - now has 25 losses (no worse tha Chris Algieri
Ndou - was fighting 8 rounders (Rustico Torrecampo's record was 15 and 8 with 5 KO, guess who was one of the 5)?
Sosa - bum So was Medgoen Singsurat and that bum KO'd someone you blow at every chance
Castillo - lost won and then proved how easy it was in the rematch by winning more obviously
Jesus Chavez - bum on the level of David Diaz
Diego Corrales - Floyd's best win, not an elite fighter though. Was undefeated an the favorite, never been knocked down or stopped, still you're hating
Augustus - 16 losses

robbed in the Micky Ward fight and was tough as nails

Replies in bold, let's see you do Manny's career.

Some body is still mad.

[man]

fine with me. don't like it, but hey the man
did enough for the sport and deserves a
relatively easy way out.