World Top 30 P4P December 2015

[Horse]

December

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Gennady Golovkin
4. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (6.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (7.) Timothy Bradley
7. (12.) Saul Alvarez
8. (NE.) Tyson Fury
9. (8.) Terence Crawford
10. (9.) Juan Francisco Estrada

11. (4.) Wladimir Klitschko
12. (10.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (11.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
14. (13.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
15. (14.) Andre Ward
16. (18.) Leo Santa Cruz
17. (16.) Nicholas Walters
18. (19.) Danny Garcia
19. (21.) Donnie Nietes
20. (20.) Keith Thurman

21. (24.) Erislandy Lara
22. (15.) Miguel Cotto
23. (17.) Naoya Inoue
24. (NE.) James DeGale
25. (22.) Kell Brook
26. (23.) Carl Frampton
27. (25.) Viktor Postol
28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (26.) Bernard Hopkins

Out - (27.) Carl Froch
Out - (30.) Lucas Matthysse

[Horse]

November

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (6.) Gennady Golovkin
4. (3.) Wladimir Klitschko
5. (4.) Sergey Kovalev
6. (5.) Manny Pacquiao
7. (7.) Timothy Bradley
8. (11.) Terence Crawford
9. (8.) Juan Francisco Estrada
10. (9.) Adonis Stevenson

11. (10.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
12. (12.) Saul Alvarez
13. (13.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
14. (14.) Andre Ward
15. (15.) Miguel Cotto
16. (16.) Nicholas Walters
17. (17.) Naoya Inoue
18. (18.) Leo Santa Cruz
19. (19.) Danny Garcia
20. (22.) Keith Thurman

21. (26.) Donnie Nietes
22. (20.) Kell Brook
23. (21.) Carl Frampton
24. (27.) Erislandy Lara
25. (NE.) Viktor Postol
26. (24.) Bernard Hopkins
27. (23.) Carl Froch
28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (25.) Lucas Matthysse

Out - (30.) Juan Manuel Marquez


October

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Wladimir Klitschko
4. (4.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (5.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (6.) Gennady Golovkin
7. (7.) Timothy Bradley
8. (11.) Juan Francisco Estrada
9. (12.) Adonis Stevenson
10. (8.) Guillermo Rigondeaux

11. (9.) Terence Crawford
12. (10.) Saul Alvarez
13. (15.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
14. (13.) Andre Ward
15. (14.) Miguel Cotto
16. (16.) Nicholas Walters
17. (18.) Naoya Inoue
18. (19.) Leo Santa Cruz
19. (20.) Danny Garcia
20. (21.) Kell Brook

21. (22.) Carl Frampton
22. (24.) Keith Thurman
23. (17.) Carl Froch
24. (23.) Bernard Hopkins
25. (25.) Lucas Matthysse
26. (26.) Donnie Nietes
27. (27.) Erislandy Lara
28. (29.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (30.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (28.) Juan Manuel Marquez


September

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Wladimir Klitschko
4. (4.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (5.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (6.) Gennady Golovkin
7. (7.) Timothy Bradley
8. (8.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. (9.) Terence Crawford
10. (10.) Saul Alvarez

11. (11.) Juan Francisco Estrada
12. (12.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (14.) Andre Ward
14. (15.) Miguel Cotto
15. (16.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
16. (17.) Nicholas Walters
17. (13.) Carl Froch
18. (18.) Naoya Inoue
19. (RE.) Leo Santa Cruz
20. (26.) Danny Garcia

21. (19.) Kell Brook
22. (20.) Carl Frampton
23. (21.) Bernard Hopkins
24. (22.) Keith Thurman
25. (24.) Lucas Matthysse
26. (25.) Donnie Nietes
27. (27.) Erislandy Lara
28. (23.) Juan Manuel Marquez
29. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
30. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama

Out - (30.) Marco Huck


August

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Wladimir Klitschko
4. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (4.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (6.) Gennady Golovkin
7. (7.) Timothy Bradley
8. (8.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. (9.) Terence Crawford
10. (11.) Saul Alvarez

11. (12.) Juan Francisco Estrada
12. (13.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (10.) Carl Froch
14. (14.) Andre Ward
15. (15.) Miguel Cotto
16. (16.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
17. (17.) Nicholas Walters
18. (19.) Naoya Inoue
19. (20.) Kell Brook
20. (21.) Carl Frampton

21. (22.) Bernard Hopkins
22. (27.) Keith Thurman
23. (18.) Juan Manuel Marquez
24. (23.) Lucas Matthysse
25. (29.) Donnie Nietes
26. (24.) Danny Garcia
27. (25.) Erislandy Lara
28. (26.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (28.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (30.) Marco Huck


July

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Wladimir Klitschko
4. (4.) Manny Pacquiao
5. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
6. (6.) Gennady Golovkin
7. (7.) Timothy Bradley
8. (9.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. (10.) Terence Crawford
10. (8.) Carl Froch

11. (11.) Saul Alvarez
12. (12.) Juan Francisco Estrada
13. (13.) Adonis Stevenson
14. (22.) Andre Ward
15. (17.) Miguel Cotto
16. (15.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
17. (16.) Nicholas Walters
18. (14.) Juan Manuel Marquez
19. (18.) Naoya Inoue
20. (19.) Kell Brook

21. (20.) Carl Frampton
22. (21.) Bernard Hopkins
23. (23.) Lucas Matthysse
24. (24.) Danny Garcia
25. (25.) Erislandy Lara
26. (26.) Mauricio Herrera
27. (27.) Keith Thurman
28. (28.) Takashi Uchiyama
29. (29.) Donnie Nietes
30. (30.) Marco Huck

[jezzamundo]

As always I appreciate your efforts and think you do a pretty good job with these lists. My objections this time are:

- I'd have Golovkin below Kovalev due to the latter's better resume
- Fury shouldn't be top 10 after beating that version of Wlad
- Wlad should probably be lower after his recent showing
- Rigondeaux could be higher, although I can see why you'd have him there

[Horse]

As always I appreciate your efforts and think you do a pretty good job with these lists. My objections this time are:

- I'd have Golovkin below Kovalev due to the latter's better resume

I had Kovalev ahead in October, but I moved Golovkin ahead after beating Lemieux.

Kovalev does still have a better record with his Hopkins win, so maybe you are right.

- Fury shouldn't be top 10 after beating that version of Wlad

That version of Wlad was the undisputed champion, undefeated in over 11.5 years.

Wlad had been getting some of his best wins within the last few years. So, it's not fair to dismiss Fury's win as over some washed up version of Wlad, when Wlad can still probably beat everyone else in the division and quite possibly Fury in the rematch as well.

- Wlad should probably be lower after his recent showing

I think a lot of people are underestimating Wladimir after Fury beat him so easily. He still has wins over two top 5 fighters (Povetkin and Pulev) in the last 2 and a bit years as well as beating top 10 Jennings.

There aren't many fighters in the rankings regularly beating top 5 opposition.

- Rigondeaux could be higher, although I can see why you'd have him there

Rigondeaux hasn't beaten a top 10 fighter in over 2 years. He has one of the weakest recent records on the list.

He is going to be heading down the list until he beats someone half decent again.

[Chepppaaa]

what a retarded list, #1 a boxer that retied mr x leg in a p4p 10 list old wlad in top 15

[Horse]

what a retarded list, #1 a boxer that retied mr x leg in a p4p 10 list old wlad in top 15

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=196487

[Aaronide_ger]

VERY VERY good list (Except Mayweather shouldnt be there)

[tiny_acres]

VERY VERY good list (Except Mayweather shouldnt be there)

Not a bad list at all.
And I agree Floyd is retired and needs to be removed

[Ricky_]

December

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.

[Ian1973]

This is my idea of the top ten.


1 (2) Roman Gonzalez
2 (3) Gennady Golovkin
3 (4) Sergey Kovalev
4 (5) Saul Canelo Alvarez
5 (6) Manny Pacquiao
6 (7) Terence Crawford
7 (8) Guillermo Rigondeaux
8 (9) Miguel Cotto
9 (NE) Tyson Fury
10 (1) Wladimir Klitschko

[jezzamundo]

As always I appreciate your efforts and think you do a pretty good job with these lists. My objections this time are:

- I'd have Golovkin below Kovalev due to the latter's better resume

I had Kovalev ahead in October, but I moved Golovkin ahead after beating Lemieux.

Kovalev does still have a better record with his Hopkins win, so maybe you are right.

- Fury shouldn't be top 10 after beating that version of Wlad

That version of Wlad was the undisputed champion, undefeated in over 11.5 years.

Wlad had been getting some of his best wins within the last few years. So, it's not fair to dismiss Fury's win as over some washed up version of Wlad, when Wlad can still probably beat everyone else in the division and quite possibly Fury in the rematch as well.

- Wlad should probably be lower after his recent showing

I think a lot of people are underestimating Wladimir after Fury beat him so easily. He still has wins over two top 5 fighters (Povetkin and Pulev) in the last 2 and a bit years as well as beating top 10 Jennings.

There aren't many fighters in the rankings regularly beating top 5 opposition.

- Rigondeaux could be higher, although I can see why you'd have him there

Rigondeaux hasn't beaten a top 10 fighter in over 2 years. He has one of the weakest recent records on the list.

He is going to be heading down the list until he beats someone half decent again.

Fair enough - we'll still disagree about the heavyweights - I just don't give Wlad that much credit for ruling a weak division. Beating the #5 heavyweight is arguably an easier, lesser accomplishment than beating the #30 welterweight these days.

I assume you're keeping Mayweather in the rankings until he has been inactive for a year? If so, I agree he is still #1.

[davie]

Good list but agree with most other posters here, Floyd needs to go.
He would be p4p no1 if still active but has said he's retired. He may be full of shit but you have to take him at his word.
Also, Hopkins has now past the year mark without a fight and none on the horizon. Possibly harsh as he'll likely fall off the bottom of the list next month anyway but he needs to go

[Boxerbeetle]

Personally I think Pacquaio is a bit too high & Crawford is slightly too low.

And it certainly seems weird to have Fury above Ward & Rigondeaux in a P4P list, although I do understand your reasoning.

[actjac]

P4P conversation is like the fantasy sports teams conversations. . It's not real and will never be proven.. . .It is comparable to saying that Mickey Mouse could beat Donald Duck. The fact is that the heavyweight champions are #1 because none of the other's could compete against them in the same ring.. .why even talk about an ant being pound for pound the strongest in the animal kingdom?

[crusader]

Good list as usual (I never got why some people hate on your lists).

I would have Rigo even lower, although you have one of the better placements of him; I still see many rankings with him in or close to the top 5. It won't be long before the Donaire win was two years ago, his resume isn't particularly strong outside that, he's fought weak opposition lately, and he was recently put down twice by someone who I don't think P4P elite guys should be going down against.

[davie]

Good list as usual (I never got why some people hate on your lists).

I would have Rigo even lower, although you have one of the better placements of him; I still see many lists with him in or close to the top 5.

I like horses lists, like any, they will always differ from mine and everyone elses.
But on the whole, they're pretty good and he makes a a good case for why he moves people around.

But I just like disagreeing because he's a stubborn SOB and very hard to budge once he's made his mind up. It keeps us amused

[Horse]

VERY VERY good list (Except Mayweather shouldnt be there)

Mayweather will be taken out when he's been inactive for a while.

[Horse]

Not a bad list at all.
And I agree Floyd is retired and needs to be removed

[Horse]

This is my idea of the top ten.


1 (2) Roman Gonzalez
2 (3) Gennady Golovkin
3 (4) Sergey Kovalev
4 (5) Saul Canelo Alvarez
5 (6) Manny Pacquiao
6 (7) Terence Crawford
7 (8) Guillermo Rigondeaux
8 (9) Miguel Cotto
9 (NE) Tyson Fury
10 (1) Wladimir Klitschko

I assume you thought Alvarez vs Cotto was close?

For me Rigondeaux hasn't done enough to justify such a high ranking.

[keithmoonhangover]

December

1. (1.) Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. (2.) Roman Gonzalez
3. (3.) Gennady Golovkin
4. (5.) Sergey Kovalev
5. (6.) Manny Pacquiao
6. (7.) Timothy Bradley
7. (12.) Saul Alvarez
8. (NE.) Tyson Fury
9. (8.) Terence Crawford
10. (9.) Juan Francisco Estrada

11. (4.) Wladimir Klitschko
12. (10.) Adonis Stevenson
13. (11.) Guillermo Rigondeaux
14. (13.) Shinsuke Yamanaka
15. (14.) Andre Ward
16. (18.) Leo Santa Cruz
17. (16.) Nicholas Walters
18. (19.) Danny Garcia
19. (21.) Donnie Nietes
20. (20.) Keith Thurman

21. (24.) Erislandy Lara
22. (15.) Miguel Cotto
23. (17.) Naoya Inoue
24. (NE.) James DeGale
25. (22.) Kell Brook
26. (23.) Carl Frampton
27. (25.) Viktor Postol
28. (28.) Mauricio Herrera
29. (29.) Takashi Uchiyama
30. (26.) Bernard Hopkins

Out - (27.) Carl Froch
Out - (30.) Lucas Matthysse

Did you not know Mayweather has retired?

[Horse]

Fair enough - we'll still disagree about the heavyweights - I just don't give Wlad that much credit for ruling a weak division. Beating the #5 heavyweight is arguably an easier, lesser accomplishment than beating the #30 welterweight these days.

I would strongly disagree with that, although the heavyweight division is pretty weak.

I assume you're keeping Mayweather in the rankings until he has been inactive for a year? If so, I agree he is still #1.

[Horse]

Good list but agree with most other posters here, Floyd needs to go.
He would be p4p no1 if still active but has said he's retired. He may be full of poo but you have to take him at his word.

But, I don't take him at his word.

He's done this before and I didn't take him out of the rankings that time either.

Also, Hopkins has now past the year mark without a fight and none on the horizon. Possibly harsh as he'll likely fall off the bottom of the list next month anyway but he needs to go

He'll be gone pretty soon.

[Horse]

Personally I think Pacquaio is a bit too high & Crawford is slightly too low.

Pacquiao is possibly there for the taking at this point, but his record is still very solid. I've got to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Crawford has had a disappointing year. Thomas Dulorme & Dierry Jean are not really wins that should be propelling him up the P4P top 10.

Crawford's very talented, but his record isn't strong enough to go much higher. He'll start actually falling soon if he doesn't have a better 2016.

And it certainly seems weird to have Fury above Ward & Rigondeaux in a P4P list, although I do understand your reasoning.

Ward's win over Froch was 4 years ago tomorrow. His wins since then are against Chad Dawson, Edwin Rodriguez & Paul Smith. Ward arguably shouldn't even be ranked any more.

[Horse]

P4P conversation is like the fantasy sports teams conversations. . It's not real and will never be proven.. . .It is comparable to saying that Mickey Mouse could beat Donald Duck. The fact is that the heavyweight champions are #1 because none of the other's could compete against them in the same ring.. .why even talk about an ant being pound for pound the strongest in the animal kingdom?

Thanks for that.

[Boxerbeetle]

And it certainly seems weird to have Fury above Ward & Rigondeaux in a P4P list, although I do understand your reasoning.

Ward's win over Froch was 4 years ago tomorrow. His wins since then are against Chad Dawson, Edwin Rodriguez & Paul Smith. Ward arguably shouldn't even be ranked any more.

Yes, I don't disagree with any of that, it just seems weird to see it