Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Just found a mistake on my late Uncle Ray Schauer's BoxRec list of bouts that has persisted for 95 years. He did not lose by TKO in round two at Pittsburgh's Academy Theater because he injured his hand. He won by a TKO in round two because his opponent, Young Mack, injured his hand. In fact, Mack was unable to fight again for over two years. From the March 18, 1920 Pittsburgh Gazette Times on the sports page (page 11) it says "Young Mack quit to Ray Schauer after hurting his right hand in the second round of the opener. It was a slugging match with Schauer easily having the better of it. Joe Keally refereed." Please edit the records for both Ray Schauer and Young Mack. Many, many thanks!
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
There is some confusion about this result, because the Pittsburgh Post reported that it was Schauer that quit because of the hand injury. The Gazette-Times offers a more detailed account of the fight, however, so I've changed the result to a win for Schauer and made a note of the conflicting reports of the outcome. Do you perhaps have some biographical information, such as date/place of birth and date of death?
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Thank you for making this change in my Uncle Ray's record. His biography and photographs may be found on his WikiTree profile page. http://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title ... 3&public=1
His biography appears on that profile page (lower left). You may use any or all of it. Click upon the Images tab and you will find a number of photos taken at various stages of his like. I think Image 6 would look especially nice on his BoxRec page. Image 8 was a syndicated photo that during the fall of 1925 appeared on sports pages throughout the country. That copy was taken from The Bakersfield Californian, October 7, 1925, page 14.
Please advise if I can do anything further to add his biography to his Box Rec page and include a boxing pose photo. From 1920 to 1927 he had one exciting professional boxing career. Sadly, he took too many punches both from usually training with heavier fighters and at the end of his career from receiving beatings in his final seven pro bouts.
His biography appears on that profile page (lower left). You may use any or all of it. Click upon the Images tab and you will find a number of photos taken at various stages of his like. I think Image 6 would look especially nice on his BoxRec page. Image 8 was a syndicated photo that during the fall of 1925 appeared on sports pages throughout the country. That copy was taken from The Bakersfield Californian, October 7, 1925, page 14.
Please advise if I can do anything further to add his biography to his Box Rec page and include a boxing pose photo. From 1920 to 1927 he had one exciting professional boxing career. Sadly, he took too many punches both from usually training with heavier fighters and at the end of his career from receiving beatings in his final seven pro bouts.
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Thanks for the information. I uploaded one of the picture listed at his wikitree page. I also entered the biography there in our encyclopedia. Regarding his record; most of our early records are works in progress. Your uncle likely had many more bouts than those listed currently at boxrec and we expect to be able to further update his record. In the meantime, if you come across reports of bouts that we haven't yet listed, let us know.
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Many, many thanks! There is one other fight that BoxRec has listed under a non-existent Ray Schaver. It was June 2, 1922, listed by BoxRec as a six round newspaper decision loss in Portland, ME to Kid Clarke. Your career record page for Ray Schaver states "Newspaper decision provided by the Maine Boxing Records Book." See http://boxrec.com/boxer/374968
BoxRec must have that book for reference -
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Maine ... cords_Book
I did a little research and found that this book is available in six Maine public libraries. I'm going to see if I can borrow it through inter-library loan. Given that I've experienced a lifetime of my Schauer surname being misspelled many ways, I'm wondering if he may have had other bouts in Maine.
Even though this June 2, 1922 newspaper decision was a loss for my uncle I'd appreciate seeing it recorded where it belongs, as one of Ray Schauer's bouts. Note that Ray Schauer's BoxRec record has a 15 month gap as listed between June 1921 (Youngstown, OH) and September 1922 (Portland, OR). No documentation other than this June 1922 bout in Maine fills any part of that gap in his life story. It is possible that he had many unlisted fights as he crossed the country from Portland to Portland. He also had many scrapes with the law in the 1920's and may have spent time in jail(s).
One final thought that may or may not be related to my Uncle Ray. We know based on San Diego Union newspaper accounts that he and his manager, Russ Campbell, made a very hasty (likely riding the rails) journey in December 1920 to San Diego in fleeing the San Francisco area. The notorious Howard Gang, mainly comprised of pro boxers, had caused a public uproar because of crimes against women and the killing of a policeman. Pro boxing was banned almost immediately after this story broke in San Francisco. Do you have any information about the Howard Gang? I can share with you my research. It resulted in a lynching of four gang members by northern California policeman. It is one tragic and terrible story, and I've always wondered where Ray and Russ were in all of this mess.
BoxRec must have that book for reference -
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Maine ... cords_Book
I did a little research and found that this book is available in six Maine public libraries. I'm going to see if I can borrow it through inter-library loan. Given that I've experienced a lifetime of my Schauer surname being misspelled many ways, I'm wondering if he may have had other bouts in Maine.
Even though this June 2, 1922 newspaper decision was a loss for my uncle I'd appreciate seeing it recorded where it belongs, as one of Ray Schauer's bouts. Note that Ray Schauer's BoxRec record has a 15 month gap as listed between June 1921 (Youngstown, OH) and September 1922 (Portland, OR). No documentation other than this June 1922 bout in Maine fills any part of that gap in his life story. It is possible that he had many unlisted fights as he crossed the country from Portland to Portland. He also had many scrapes with the law in the 1920's and may have spent time in jail(s).
One final thought that may or may not be related to my Uncle Ray. We know based on San Diego Union newspaper accounts that he and his manager, Russ Campbell, made a very hasty (likely riding the rails) journey in December 1920 to San Diego in fleeing the San Francisco area. The notorious Howard Gang, mainly comprised of pro boxers, had caused a public uproar because of crimes against women and the killing of a policeman. Pro boxing was banned almost immediately after this story broke in San Francisco. Do you have any information about the Howard Gang? I can share with you my research. It resulted in a lynching of four gang members by northern California policeman. It is one tragic and terrible story, and I've always wondered where Ray and Russ were in all of this mess.
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
I'm not familiar with the Howard Gang, but you're right about the Maine fight. I found it in the Lewiston Daily Sun and he's listed there as Ray Schaurs. The fight has been added to his record.
Re: Ray Schauer - Thanks for adding Clark Anderson to his Record
BoxRec has the pro boxing record of Edward "Spud" Murphy. http://boxrec.com/boxer/39883
Note that his boxing career abruptly ends in 1920. BoxRec documents why under his last pro bout,
"Murphy was arrested on November 27, 1920 along with K.O. Kruvosky for the assault of two women. He was a member of the Howard Street Gang, along with Kruvosky. As a result of their connection to the dubious gang, boxing in San Francisco would cease to exist for 4 months as city officials enforced a ban put into place in 1914, but ignored until then. Murphy was in San Quentin prison through at least the 1930's."
BoxRec has the pro boxing record of K.O.Kruvosky. http://boxrec.com/boxer/17429
Note that his boxing career abruptly ends in 1920. From BoxRec, "A month later, on November 27, Kruvosky was arrested in San Francisco for assaulting a woman. When approached by police he took a fighting pose, but was knocked out by Ofc. Ed Darling. Kruvosky's career was over following this bout, as he would be confined to San Quentin Prison through at least the early 1930s. (He and fellow boxer Spud Murphy were members of the Howard Street Gang.) Kruvosky was largely responsible for a subsequent ban on boxing in San Francisco which lasted nearly four years. Because of this, prominent professional boxers were banned from San Francisco until 1925. Many of them retired, left town, or did their fighting in Oakland after this."
This, and the lynching by a mob of northern California policemen of three other members of the Howard Street Gang, on December 10, 1920 in Santa Rosa, CA, is what caused my Uncle Ray and his manager to flee the area and on December 14 be arrested for vagrancy in San Diego, CA. The San Diego Union headline read "SUSPECT YOUTHS FLED FROM NORTH - Pair Arrested Here Believed to be Members of San Francisco Vice Gang." Ray's manager must have been convincing because by December 22nd Ray had his first pro bout in San Diego.
The three gang members lynched in the dark of night were alleged to have murdered a Sonoma County sheriff, and two San Francisco police detectives. Police all over the west were alerted and were giving anyone connected with San Francisco and boxing a very tough time. Professional boxing itself was given a black eye by the Howard Street Gang.
Note that his boxing career abruptly ends in 1920. BoxRec documents why under his last pro bout,
"Murphy was arrested on November 27, 1920 along with K.O. Kruvosky for the assault of two women. He was a member of the Howard Street Gang, along with Kruvosky. As a result of their connection to the dubious gang, boxing in San Francisco would cease to exist for 4 months as city officials enforced a ban put into place in 1914, but ignored until then. Murphy was in San Quentin prison through at least the 1930's."
BoxRec has the pro boxing record of K.O.Kruvosky. http://boxrec.com/boxer/17429
Note that his boxing career abruptly ends in 1920. From BoxRec, "A month later, on November 27, Kruvosky was arrested in San Francisco for assaulting a woman. When approached by police he took a fighting pose, but was knocked out by Ofc. Ed Darling. Kruvosky's career was over following this bout, as he would be confined to San Quentin Prison through at least the early 1930s. (He and fellow boxer Spud Murphy were members of the Howard Street Gang.) Kruvosky was largely responsible for a subsequent ban on boxing in San Francisco which lasted nearly four years. Because of this, prominent professional boxers were banned from San Francisco until 1925. Many of them retired, left town, or did their fighting in Oakland after this."
This, and the lynching by a mob of northern California policemen of three other members of the Howard Street Gang, on December 10, 1920 in Santa Rosa, CA, is what caused my Uncle Ray and his manager to flee the area and on December 14 be arrested for vagrancy in San Diego, CA. The San Diego Union headline read "SUSPECT YOUTHS FLED FROM NORTH - Pair Arrested Here Believed to be Members of San Francisco Vice Gang." Ray's manager must have been convincing because by December 22nd Ray had his first pro bout in San Diego.
The three gang members lynched in the dark of night were alleged to have murdered a Sonoma County sheriff, and two San Francisco police detectives. Police all over the west were alerted and were giving anyone connected with San Francisco and boxing a very tough time. Professional boxing itself was given a black eye by the Howard Street Gang.
Ray Schauer - Found One More Bout Not on BoxRec
Ray Schauer, identified in The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as Ray Schauers, lost a four round decision to Jackie Fromme on October 11, 1921. This bout is also not listed on BoxRec's Jackie Fromme record.
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday, October 12, 1921, page 10.
(At the Academy Theater) Jackie Fromme outboxed Ray Schauers in the four-round semi-final, a fast bout.
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday, October 12, 1921, page 10.
(At the Academy Theater) Jackie Fromme outboxed Ray Schauers in the four-round semi-final, a fast bout.
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
I've linked to this Forum discussion about the Howard Gang in the California Laws page. Good stuff!
Re: Ray Schauer - Found One More Bout Not on BoxRec
Thanks, it's been added.sagesteps wrote:Ray Schauer, identified in The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette as Ray Schauers, lost a four round decision to Jackie Fromme on October 11, 1921. This bout is also not listed on BoxRec's Jackie Fromme record.
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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Wednesday, October 12, 1921, page 10.
(At the Academy Theater) Jackie Fromme outboxed Ray Schauers in the four-round semi-final, a fast bout.
Re: Ray Schauer - Yet Another Previously Undocumented Bout Found
The Evening Review (East Liverpool, OH), Tuesday, February 26, 1924, page 10
Ray Schauer and Mike Moran, both of who have their photos accompanying the article sub-titled, "Flyweights Stage Slam Bang Battle in F.O.E. Ring," fought to an eight round draw. The bout was held on Monday, February 25, 1924 in East Liverpool, OH. Please add this contest to the boxing records of both Ray Schauer (global ID 50537) and Mike Moran (global ID 50679). The referee was Young Jitney.
Ray Schauer and Mike Moran, both of who have their photos accompanying the article sub-titled, "Flyweights Stage Slam Bang Battle in F.O.E. Ring," fought to an eight round draw. The bout was held on Monday, February 25, 1924 in East Liverpool, OH. Please add this contest to the boxing records of both Ray Schauer (global ID 50537) and Mike Moran (global ID 50679). The referee was Young Jitney.
Re: Ray Schauer - Found One More Bout Not on BoxRec Records
Youngstown Vindicator - Tuesday, May 13, 1924, page 12
BOWEN BEATS RAY SCHAUERS
Sharon Gladiator Scores Six Knockdowns
Warren, May 12.- Eddie Bowen, of Sharon, showed he was at the top notch in his quest for the championship when he soundly defeated Ray Schauers in 10 sensational rounds here last night. Bowen got the jump in the first round and gave Schauers a terrific beating in every round.
Please add this bout to the BoxRec record for Eddie Bowen (global ID 81649) and for Ray Schauer (global ID 50537). Many thanks again!
BOWEN BEATS RAY SCHAUERS
Sharon Gladiator Scores Six Knockdowns
Warren, May 12.- Eddie Bowen, of Sharon, showed he was at the top notch in his quest for the championship when he soundly defeated Ray Schauers in 10 sensational rounds here last night. Bowen got the jump in the first round and gave Schauers a terrific beating in every round.
Please add this bout to the BoxRec record for Eddie Bowen (global ID 81649) and for Ray Schauer (global ID 50537). Many thanks again!
Re: Ray Schauer - Bout with Young Mack on March 17, 1920
Thanks, both have been added.