news on gomez/mcdonagh

jamie wadman · Post by **jamie wadman** » 30 Jan 2006, 17:07

latest on accusation regarding mcdonagh/gomez.
radio interview

The promoter had it out with the PR guy for Boyle Sports. Pretty entertating stuff. He woudn't say how much the they had lost on the fight. The promoter said he's heard it was no more than 4000 euro and the PR guy wouldn't confirm or deny it.

A spokesman for Paddy Power was on another station to say they noticed nothing unusual and couldn't see what the fuss was about.

All looks like a PR stunt from Boylesports. Lets face it how many of the posters here had heard of them until now.

just been told that steve collins refused to be interviewed with gomez who
was going to confront him.
all this was caused for nothing

jamie wadman · Post by **jamie wadman** » 31 Jan 2006, 06:16

Boylesports spokesman Paul Magee said the firm suspended betting on Saturday - but have pledged to pay out on a fifth-round victory by McDonagh. He revealed that more money was placed on the fight ending in the eight round, than in the fifth.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 31 Jan 2006, 06:44

Sounds like a storm in a teacup. Is Gomez getting his purse then?

jamie wadman · Post by **jamie wadman** » 31 Jan 2006, 07:02

kevin · Post by **kevin** » 31 Jan 2006, 09:45

It's been announced today that Michael Gomez has retired from boxing.

states · Post by **states** » 31 Jan 2006, 09:49

Kevin wrote:It's been announced today that Michael Gomez has retired from boxing.

Not a great surprise, but I'm glad he's made the decision. I just hope he doesn't get tempted back somewhere down the line.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 31 Jan 2006, 09:50

I'm sure he'll be back if the right fight comes up. Although he has seen better days I think his lack of conditioning is as much down to indiscipline as being shot.

states · Post by **states** » 31 Jan 2006, 09:52

True, Nick. But I can't see his discipline improving with a few years down the pub, if you know what I mean.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 31 Jan 2006, 10:28

Collins is a plonker for accusing Gomez of taking a dive...

jamie wadman · Post by **jamie wadman** » 31 Jan 2006, 10:58

i am sad to hear he has retired. i have always been a gomez fan. although happy for peter the other night i was also sad to see gomez just give up and get put down. he was a true warrior who i will sorely miss.
here is the sad end of micheal gomez.
http://homepage.eircom.net/~oggie85/Gomez.WMV

TheGoods · Post by **TheGoods** » 31 Jan 2006, 11:47

http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story_Pa ... 47,00.html

Gomez has called it a day.

"Bookmakers Boyle Sports reported odds on a fifth-round victory for Gomez tumbling from 125-1 to 18-1 on the day of the fight before the suspension of betting. "

In today's Racing Post Paul Magee said that when the odds on a fifth round stoppage were cut from 125/1 to 25/1 "even bigger bets were being requested". This is not drunken McDonough fans having a casual wager on the day of the fight and anyone who thinks otherwise is DELUDED. Nobody would request a series of lumpy bets at 18/1 about a 125/1 shot without knowing something. As I've said I was told about McDonough - a 5/1 rag to win the fight at all - winning between 5-7 on the afternoon of the fight by two different sources.

That said I'll miss watching Gomez. Always came to fight and could be electrifying. A superb, all-action fighter who struggled with his demons outside of the ring for years. I hope he finds peace in retirement.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:02

Hmm, if this is true, it does sound highly suspicious. I mean why would anyone bet so much on the 5th round at only 25/1?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:11

I don't think Gomez is shot, just has had enough. he looked in control enough of the fight, but maybe his conditioning wasn't there. Once he couldn't blast out Peter in the first 4 rounds i think his head just said "F*ck it, i've had enough "

A shot fighter would be like Colin Dunne in his last fight, no punch resistence and inability to punch back like you once had.
Gomez didn't show that kind of decline.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:38

I just hope Gomez can find a new focus outside of Boxing and doesn't fall back into old, less constructive habits.

I was never a big fan of Gomez but he was often entertaining.

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/ge ... zbelts.jpg

celticwarrior · Post by **celticwarrior** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:46

TheGoods wrote:http://www.itv-boxing.com/News/Story_Pa ... 47,00.html

Gomez has called it a day.

"Bookmakers Boyle Sports reported odds on a fifth-round victory for Gomez tumbling from 125-1 to 18-1 on the day of the fight before the suspension of betting. "

In today's Racing Post Paul Magee said that when the odds on a fifth round stoppage were cut from 125/1 to 25/1 "even bigger bets were being requested". This is not drunken McDonough fans having a casual wager on the day of the fight and anyone who thinks otherwise is DELUDED. Nobody would request a series of lumpy bets at 18/1 about a 125/1 shot without knowing something. As I've said I was told about McDonough - a 5/1 rag to win the fight at all - winning between 5-7 on the afternoon of the fight by two different sources.

That said I'll miss watching Gomez. Always came to fight and could be electrifying. A superb, all-action fighter who struggled with his demons outside of the ring for years. I hope he finds peace in retirement.

I remain convinced it's a PR stunt by Boyle Sports. The bookie and promoter had it out on a radio show last night and it makes for interesting listening:
http://www.rte.ie/rams/radio/latest/rte-sportscall.smil

don't call it a comeback · Post by **don't call it a comeback** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:47

There's so much we don't know that it makes it almost impossible to form any clear view of this. Such as:

What about other bookmakers - did they take big bets or was it just boyleports?

How much did the bookies have to pay out on a fifth round stoppage?

How much action was actually turned away?

Its easy to make a conspiracy where there wasn't one just because bookies and punters are a fatal combination when it comes to telling the truth. However, if some of these facts are true and are backed up by others then it does indeed look a bit fishy.

Fact is, and I say this without pleasure, a lot of people will believe this about Michael Gomez more than many other fighters. He's always had his scrapes outside the ring and there's no doubt his career has been on the slide for a while.

I just keep asking myself why, if you're gonna take a dive, do it like that? Its one of the strangest endings in a british ring for years. Why not just take a punch and go down?

Its a real shame because for a while he looked like a good example of someone saved by boxing not ruined by it. And at his best, before the first Bognar fight, he put together a great run with some entertaining and ferocious pressure fighting. In many ways he was an overachiever even at British level but who knows, with more discipline, he could have done a lot more.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 31 Jan 2006, 12:58

topper123 wrote:I don't think Gomez is shot, just has had enough. he looked in control enough of the fight, but maybe his conditioning wasn't there. Once he couldn't blast out Peter in the first 4 rounds i think his head just said "F*ck it, i've had enough "

A shot fighter would be like Colin Dunne in his last fight, no punch resistence and inability to punch back like you once had.
Gomez didn't show that kind of decline.

Fighters are different in how they decline... Gomez can't walk through punches all night like he would in the past, after a few rounds he gets tagged and thats it... the stamina, punch resistance and recupertive powers have gone... very simular to Mike Tyson, looks ok or even good for 2 or 3 rounds and then blows up. With his style Gomez was never going to have a overly lengthy career, he's always shipped a lot of punishment and you can only do that for so long....

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:01

silkov wrote:
topper123 wrote:I don't think Gomez is shot, just has had enough. he looked in control enough of the fight, but maybe his conditioning wasn't there. Once he couldn't blast out Peter in the first 4 rounds i think his head just said "F*ck it, i've had enough "

A shot fighter would be like Colin Dunne in his last fight, no punch resistence and inability to punch back like you once had.
Gomez didn't show that kind of decline.
Fighters are different in how they decline... Gomez can't walk through punches all night like he would in the past, after a few rounds he gets tagged and thats it... the stamina, punch resistance and recupertive powers have gone... very simular to Mike Tyson, looks ok or even good for 2 or 3 rounds and then blows up. With his style Gomez was never going to have a overly lengthy career, he's always shipped a lot of punishment and you can only do that for so long....

Yeah fair point, either way Gomez has come to the end.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:02

Yep, take one to land one always seemed to be Gomez' philosophy, and very few fighters are able to get away with that over a lengthy career.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:07

Well looking at the finish it seems he was just attempting a Duran style No Mas, but Mcdonagh spoils the script by following him around the ring, punching him in the head.
Didn't look like Gomez was out on his feet at all. Hard to prove either way, but it does sound a bit suspect.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:11

Gomez was actually a bit more of a boxer early in his career but got left hook happy after knocking out Thornhill in a couple of rounds. He was in some very entertaining fights. Having said that his antics out of the ring left a lot to be desired.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:14

I think he was hurt and wanted to pull out rather than be koed... again its simular to Tysons last couple of fights and noone accused Tyson of diving. Gomez has always looked a bit fragile to me ever since the 1st Bogner fight, I dont think he's ever been as good since, ...took a hell of a pounding that night...

BigEars · Post by **BigEars** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:28

don't call it a comeback wrote:Its one of the strangest endings in a british ring for years.

I didn't know the ring was made in Britain .

The Hawk · Post by **The Hawk** » 31 Jan 2006, 13:46

I blame Steve Collins on having me convinced there was something up with the finish

I think Gomez's days are well behind him, he got a second wind when he got the fire in his belly and beat Alex Arthur, I think there comes a stage when a boxer can only go to the well one more time and Gomez's was with Alex Arthur.

Hope he keeps his head above the water, I'd like to see him do something different in the game. It would do Gomez good to be involved in Boxing, but not fighting anymore.

I bumped into him in Yates in Manchester after a Hatton fight a couple of years ago, he had a friend over from Belfast so we all had a good laugh and a few pints. It was one of them moments that you'll always look back on that brings a smile. I knew his nose was flat, but right in front of me it was crazy

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 31 Jan 2006, 14:52

Perhaps Gomez could join a Mariachi band, he's already got the costume after all...