Your most respected non-champion.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 15:36

I am interested to see which fighters who were never champions, are favorites of boxrec. posters. Also give reasons why. For me its an easy pick, Bad Bennie Briscoe. Epitome of the tough Philly Middleweight who fought everyone.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 29 Jan 2006, 16:16

One of my fighters is Oba Car, I liked the way he fought, very slick fighter but if he can ko you he would try his best to do so, he had a good boxing style.

Another Angel Manfredy this guy would throw some nice combinations and text box stuff.

Antonio Diaz I really liked seeing this guy fight I followed him since almost the beggining. He had a good body attack and would just come forward on any fighter he faced. Very tough fighter he should have gotten a chance at Tszyu -then Champion- at light welterweight instead of fighting Mosley at welterweight -then Champion.

I know im forgetting other fighters but these are the ones that came to mind in no particuler order.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 16:22

I am really surprised Carr never won a belt. Had some nice wins. Good record.

ferocity · Post by **ferocity** » 29 Jan 2006, 16:26

expug wrote:I am really surprised Carr never won a belt. Had some nice wins. Good record.

I'am too. But then you look at the Champions that were around at the time Delahoya, Trinidad and Qurtey, very solid Champions. But Carr was a baddass fighter really good boxing style he had. Didn't hit the hardest but he had skills.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 29 Jan 2006, 17:38

I to have to pick Bad Bennie Briscoe the super-tough philly, shaven skulled, Middleweight wrecking machine. Would have been a top contender in any era and a Champion in many.

My second pick goes to another Philly fighter the late Jimmy Young. Maybe the most skilled Heavyweight to never win a title of the modern era. But unfortunatly fell foul of drink, drugs and Boxing politics

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 17:42

I will never forget seeing Young in the gym in Chicago in must have been 1988 or so. Jimmy looked like he had fallen on very hard times. I have no idea what he was doing in Chicago.Thankfully he was not working out.Someone pointed him out to me, I never would have recognized him.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 29 Jan 2006, 17:52

expug wrote:I will never forget seeing Young in the gym in Chicago in must have been 1988 or so. Jimmy looked like he had fallen on very hard times. I have no idea what he was doing in Chicago.Thankfully he was not working out.Someone pointed him out to me, I never would have recognized him.

I have on tape a very short interview with Jimmy Young from the late 80's early 90's taken when he was ringside for one of George Foreman early comback fights. On the very same tape I have his victory over Foreman whch includes a short post fight interview.

The difference in Jimmy in those two interviews of just over 10 years gap is frightening and very sad.

Boxing eats it own.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 18:01

You are correct it does. I checked out Youngs record after I made the last post and I was amazed to see that he fought in 1988. Maybe the promoter that made that fight was the same one that put Jerry Quarry in that fight in Denver in the 90s. Amazing thing is Young actually won his last bout.

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 29 Jan 2006, 18:23

Tom Sharkey. He either beat or gave hell to all the top heavies of his day. Sam Langford, too. and Jack Blackburn

iceman21287 · Post by **iceman21287** » 29 Jan 2006, 18:27

My two favorites are Young Stribling and Jimmy Bivins. Stribling for the fact that he fought at every weight class from featherweight up to heavyweight and probably could have won over 300 career fights if he had not been killed. Bivins because he was one of the top fighters of his era and it really was a shame that he never received a world title shot.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 19:21

Nero3000 wrote:Tom Sharkey. He either beat or gave hell to all the top heavies of his day. Sam Langford, too. and Jack Blackburn

Would have loved to have seen Jefferies vs. Sharkey.Two very rough carachters.

barry · Post by **barry** » 29 Jan 2006, 20:33

Sam Langford would be my favorite.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 29 Jan 2006, 21:22

Lew Tendler and Ace Hudkins were also two outstanding non-champs.

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 30 Jan 2006, 06:11

expug wrote:
Nero3000 wrote:Tom Sharkey. He either beat or gave hell to all the top heavies of his day. Sam Langford, too. and Jack Blackburn
Would have loved to have seen Jefferies vs. Sharkey.Two very rough carachters.

Film does exist of their second bout.

theone · Post by **theone** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:21

Ive been a big Jerry Quarry fan since I was a kid. Poor guy was born in the wrong era.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:42

theone wrote:Ive been a big Jerry Quarry fan since I was a kid. Poor guy was born in the wrong era.

Maybe we agree on another one. What era do you think he should have been born into?

theone · Post by **theone** » 30 Jan 2006, 10:54

Maybe we agree on another one. What era do you think he should have been born into?

It would have been awesome if he fought between the eras of Holmes and Tyson. I dont think he would have beaten either of those two, but he would have probably feasted on every one else. At the very least he would probably have had a nice reign as an alphabet champ.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jan 2006, 11:33

expug wrote:You are correct it does. I checked out Youngs record after I made the last post and I was amazed to see that he fought in 1988. Maybe the promoter that made that fight was the same one that put Jerry Quarry in that fight in Denver in the 90s. Amazing thing is Young actually won his last bout.

I have a very good interview with Jimmy Young from Boxing News that was conducted about a year before Jimmy passed away. The interviewer Tris Dixon stated that although it was obvious the drink, drugs and Boxing had taken a terrible toll on Jimmy he was amazed at Jimmys recollection of his own career. Young by all accounts had a near photographic memory of his boxing career, dates, locations, weights, opponents even how much he was paid,

Anyway my point is that Jimmy stated without a shadow of a doubt he fought untill 1990 and had a couple more fights than his recored has listed. My gut instinct is that Jimmy is correct, but maybe these fights were Non-sanctioned fights.

The interviewer also stated that Jimmy Young was one of the nicest men he had ever met.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 30 Jan 2006, 11:46

If Jimmy fought those unsanctioned fights, hopefully he didnt get banged up. He was always very good defenseivly so maybe he got through them O.K.

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 30 Jan 2006, 12:53

Decagon wrote:I don't know. The interview took place a year before he died, right? He was pretty bad off by then.

About that, maybe 2 years. I would have to dig the article out and check the date.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 30 Jan 2006, 13:05

theone wrote:
Maybe we agree on another one. What era do you think he should have been born into?
It would have been awesome if he fought between the eras of Holmes and Tyson. I dont think he would have beaten either of those two, but he would have probably feasted on every one else. At the very least he would probably have had a nice reign as an alphabet champ.

Definitely. I think he would have handled todays HWs pretty easily as well.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 30 Jan 2006, 14:53

sam langford and jack blackburn

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 30 Jan 2006, 17:20

Hmm let's see there's Joe Jeanette, Joe Jeanette and uh...Joe Jeanette.

Did I mention Joe Jeanette?

surf-bat · Post by **surf-bat** » 30 Jan 2006, 17:47

Peter Jackson was an excellent fighter, but I think John L. Sullivan would have knocked him out had they fought.

tagjohnson · Post by **tagjohnson** » 31 Jan 2006, 16:52

Jerry Quarry
Yaqui Lopez
Earnie Shavers

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