john fury

[Eddy]

Roy Shaw spent years inside mostly in Broadmoore. When he died he was a millionaire businessman. I know he must of grafted, but goes to show you when your chips are down your luck can change.

[Old Jack J]

ps Henry - Roy Shaw was a professional boxer years before he was unlicensed fighter. Shaw boxed as a middleweight back in the 1960s under the name of Roy West, I think.

Yep that's correct. He fought under the name Roy West because he was on the wanted list. His record ranges from 1-0-0 to 7-0-0 depending on which source is used. This was before his bareknuckle days. His pro days ended when he was locked up and he couldn't get a licence when released so he turned to the bare knuckle game. Apparently a very skilled fella in his early years.

[Old Jack J]

ps Henry - Roy Shaw was a professional boxer years before he was unlicensed fighter. Shaw boxed as a middleweight back in the 1960s under the name of Roy West, I think.

Yep that's correct. He fought under the name Roy West because he was on the wanted list. His record ranges from 1-0-0 to 7-0-0 depending on which source is used. This was before his bareknuckle days. His pro days ended when he was locked up and he couldn't get a licence when released so he turned to the bare knuckle game. Apparently a very skilled fella in his early years.

Was Roy Shaw was into the bare knuckle game? I know he fought on unlicensed shows but the ones I am aware of were gloved matches.

Yeah, sorry, he turned to the bare knuckle game to fight Donny Adams but the police found out and they decided to wear gloves.

[brilo33]

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Disgraceful performance by Olibamwu, in my opinion. He simply didn't try at all.

I remember someone posting the truth as far back as 2009 on here and not only receiving a private message asking for post to be removed but a phone call too saying Larry was a bit of a lad and they better watch themselves.

i never said that . you rubbed my sentence out. i said. i watched a few interviews with fury family, and they say tyson was always was going to world champ.end of ,but hughie is a bonus same with the brother shane, they wherent saying he is rubbish , just didnt have the pressure

[Nightmare Roy]

He has it on good authority that Lennox Lewis avoided him.

[tedley]

I think Hillmans description of the bully John Fury is the best I have seen.
Coincides with my experiences with some of * misunderstood* travellers

[HomicideHenry]

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.

Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

If I ever decide to do radio shows again, and am lucky (or fortunate) enough to talk to Peter and John themselves and address some of these things, I will do so. I do know when talking to Peter once, I brought up Bartley Gorman (his cousin) and asked him his thoughts on "What if?" Bartley had gone professional, and how far did he think he would have gone. While he had much respect to his cousin and said he had "over three hundred fights without a loss" in the bare knuckle world, he did concede that he didn't feel Bartley would have went too far in the pros because Gorman's style was more of a rushing/mauling type and he felt that against a rather skilled mover--- with size to them--- that Bartley would have had problems overcoming that. Basically, Peter said his style was more suited to bare knuckle boxing, rather than gloves. That Bartley probably would have made it to title contendership, or won regional titles in Britain or Ireland, but probably would have never got off the island so to speak.

It would be interesting to ask these sorts of questions, because I do have intentions on putting together a series of interviews, with Peter's thoughts and all to write a comprehensive book on Bartley and some other bare knuckle men from that time. Considering Peter has (more or less) become the hottest property in the training world, his opinions on the topic at hand I think would speak volumes for later generations or persons who are interested in the subject---- I do know the last time I interviewed him he said he was very interested in talking about "many others that no one knows or talks about" who he felt were undervalued and overlooked in that version of boxing. Men who he felt could have been capable pros, etc.

[tedley]

No conjecture, gossip, rumour, badly researched online ‘articles’ FACTS from someone who knew John (we had the same manager at one point) and had the misfortune to spend time with him on many occasions.

Real Name:

The family name is actually PARTRIDGE not Fury.

Bare Knuckle ‘Career’:

Clearly these events are not recorded but as far as I know (and I’ve confirmed this with another Fury cohort) John was known to have a grand total of TWO organised bare knuckle fights, one was broken up by the Police, in the other both Fury and his opponent shook hands and called it a draw as they were both knackered.

Boxing Career:

NEVER scored a stoppage or a knockdown.

Beaten by a part time Rugby player.

Was ‘old manned’ in a Central Area title fight by the ancient cokehead Neil Malpass.

Was rendered unconscious for almost ten minutes by the relatively light hitting Akinwande.

He took a four year break after the Akinwande loss then made a comeback and took on Steve Garber (someone he’d previously beaten) after a decent first round he was systematically outboxed for two rounds before throwing his arms up in surrender and returning to his corner.

Sparring Stories:

He came over to John Celebanski’s gym in Bradford to spar with the aforementioned Steve Garber (this was after their first fight, before the second) Steve suffered a badly cut lower lip after two rounds and curtailed the sparring. MIDDLEWEIGHT Frank Grant asked if he could do a few rounds with Fury. Fury most insulted that a mere Middleweight would dare spar with him went in heavy, the sparring was ‘heated’ to say the least and Frank absolutely battered Fury for two rounds.

In the changing room Fury starts muttering about ‘not being fit/thought he was sparring a heavy/wife had a ‘babby’ due/he’d had a long drive from Haslingden etc etc’ Grant told him to ‘shut his mouth’ (or similar) Fury makes some noise about ‘taking it outside’

You didn’t say that to Frank Grant.

Fury leaves the building Grant follows him outside stripped to the waist in the pouring rain and starts screaming at Fury to fight him, Fury gets in his van muttering about being knackered from the sparring, once again evoking his heavily pregnant wife and the impending ‘babby’, Grant kicks the van door tries to open it, Fury drives off.

I didn’t see this sadly BUT I do have it on good authority from numerous people who witnessed it, Fury went to Leeds to spar with Tom Collins and Carl Gaffney, LIGHTHEAVY Collins knocked him clean out wearing 16oz gloves.

By way of conclusion Gypsy John Partridge (it’s true I swear) is a liar, fantasist, bully and NOTHING like as hard as he would have you believe.

If Fat Mick has any sense, he’ll keep John well away from press conferences, cameras, interviews etc.

If I ever decide to do radio shows again, and am lucky (or fortunate) enough to talk to Peter and John themselves and address some of these things, I will do so. I do know when talking to Peter once, I brought up Bartley Gorman (his cousin) and asked him his thoughts on "What if?" Bartley had gone professional, and how far did he think he would have gone. While he had much respect to his cousin and said he had "over three hundred fights without a loss" in the bare knuckle world, he did concede that he didn't feel Bartley would have went too far in the pros because Gorman's style was more of a rushing/mauling type and he felt that against a rather skilled mover--- with size to them--- that Bartley would have had problems overcoming that. Basically, Peter said his style was more suited to bare knuckle boxing, rather than gloves. That Bartley probably would have made it to title contendership, or won regional titles in Britain or Ireland, but probably would have never got off the island so to speak.

It would be interesting to ask these sorts of questions, because I do have intentions on putting together a series of interviews, with Peter's thoughts and all to write a comprehensive book on Bartley and some other bare knuckle men from that time. Considering Peter has (more or less) become the hottest property in the training world, his opinions on the topic at hand I think would speak volumes for later generations or persons who are interested in the subject---- I do know the last time I interviewed him he said he was very interested in talking about "many others that no one knows or talks about" who he felt were undervalued and overlooked in that version of boxing. Men who he felt could have been capable pros, etc.

Look, apart from him being a bully and 100% arse , I doubt theres not many people here who give a shit what you keep on blathering on about.

[Counter-puncher]

Full marks, Hillman, for use of the phrase 'rendered unconscious'. I just happen to like that phrase. Great anecdotes too, thanks. And good advice to us all not to be silly enough to spar if we have a heavily pregnant wife

[palooka]

Is it too late for post of the year? Gypsy John Partridge

[handsofstone]

Is it too late for post of the year? Gypsy John Partridge

A-Ha

[palooka]

Though your post was most excellent you do know that Mr Malpass does peruse this forum?

[jameswilson]

Is it too late for post of the year? Gypsy John Partridge

[palooka]

Paul Sykes?

[palooka]

Got it in one mate

It was the jeans that gave it away

[handsofstone]

It was the jeans that gave it away

Do you think that multiple jacket look will catch on?

[palooka]

I count 4 jackets! That's either very trendy or very not cool.

[magwitch]

Roy Shaw spent years inside mostly in Broadmoore. When he died he was a millionaire businessman. I know he must of grafted, but goes to show you when your chips are down your luck can change.

Read Roy's autobiography, Pretty Boy. I'm not normally interested in this gangland stuff but it's a really good read, I would recommend it to anyone. The stuff in there about Broadmoor sounds like a low point in British medical history tbh. Pumped 'em full of crap so they were zombies. They won't have known half the long term effects, or cared.
I saw nothing there to suggest that Roy might be a millionaire businessman mind you. A million is a lot. I couldn't see him doing that, especially in advanced years.

[mickey1975]

Frank Grant was a heavy duty guy in the mold of Dillian Whyte. He had some "team".... I remember a nightclub in Leeds, Casa Loco, where Frank's boys ruled the roost. Funny old club, open midnight-9.00am and didn't sell alcohol. Airport style security on the door.

[mickey1975]

Talking of Neil Malpass, here's another one of his old opponents.



Guess who??

It's remarkable how far he fell in the last few years. Don't forget, he had years where he never touched a drop, due to jail. And he was some specimen in his day.

[magwitch]

Frank Grant was a heavy duty guy in the mold of Dillian Whyte. He had some "team".... I remember a nightclub in Leeds, Casa Loco, where Frank's boys ruled the roost. Funny old club, open midnight-9.00am and didn't sell alcohol. Airport style security on the door.

what did it sell?

[magwitch]

The details of John Fury's crime make for horrific reading:

http://bigtimefighter.com/blog/2011/02/ ... r-eye-out/

Yup it's horrific - And this story is coming again soon to a rag near you....

"Heavyweight champ's Dad Blinded me" , etc.

I spoke to a lad who was there at the auction and he said the incident is hugely exaggerated . Although an 11 year prison sentence suggests otherwise!

I wouldn't have thought there was much room for any exaggeration. Either an eye got gouged out and a man was blided or it wasn't..

[Wales]

I know mate, I looked at him in disbelief when he said it. I think he said it wasn't gauged out and it was a couple of digs as appose to a psychotic finger behind eyeball scenario. I don't really know the lad, went to V festival with him then met him in a boxing doo some 6 months ago.

Here we go, experimento time, ill facebook him now and ask him what really happened as he was, or so he says, there. I'll post the response word for word here.

[mickey1975]

Frank Grant was a heavy duty guy in the mold of Dillian Whyte. He had some "team".... I remember a nightclub in Leeds, Casa Loco, where Frank's boys ruled the roost. Funny old club, open midnight-9.00am and didn't sell alcohol. Airport style security on the door.

what did it sell?

Bottled water and ice lollies.

[lillywhite14]

Roy Shaw spent years inside mostly in Broadmoore. When he died he was a millionaire businessman. I know he must of grafted, but goes to show you when your chips are down your luck can change.

Read Roy's autobiography, Pretty Boy. I'm not normally interested in this gangland stuff but it's a really good read, I would recommend it to anyone. The stuff in there about Broadmoor sounds like a low point in British medical history tbh. Pumped 'em full of crap so they were zombies. They won't have known half the long term effects, or cared.
I saw nothing there to suggest that Roy might be a millionaire businessman mind you. A million is a lot. I couldn't see him doing that, especially in advanced years.

He bought, renovated and sold property back when every Tom dick and Harry didn't think it was an easy thing to do and make money out of it. Cheers Homes Under The Hammer.