Ambling Alp II wrote:All good fighters, would not put any in.
Moon-If you are going only win 20 fights, you have to do something really big. He has the win over Galaxy, but that's about it. He fought in a division that never has any depth and shouldn't even exist.
Garcia, Honeyghan and Benn had some nice wins but nothing earth shattering. There are certainly worse guys in, but there are others not in that were better.
Ambling Alp II wrote:How much credit he should get for his amateur career is debatable. Some people ignore amateur careers completely. Salazar was never a world champion. Konadu won a title from a guy in his 5th pro fight.
The problem with rating fighters in the low weight divisions is that there is very little depth.
There are so few fighters in these weight classes so you have a shallow talent pool to begin with.
How big of a deal is it to be one of 3 or 4 "champions" of a weight division that only spans three pounds?
That 3 pounds is a big deal at that weight, and historically the division does have depth.
Going back to Young Peter Jackson. We don't hear much about him, but he had some amazing accomplishments. He has stoppage wins over Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Mysterious Billy Smith, Barbados Joe Walcott, and Sam Langford. Two draws with Walcott, one each with Langford and the Dixie Kid, and he went the distance with a number of Heavyweights like Jack Johnson, Joe Jeannette, and Gunboat Smith, while weighing in at Middleweight.
Ambling Alp II wrote:How much credit he should get for his amateur career is debatable. Some people ignore amateur careers completely. Salazar was never a world champion. Konadu won a title from a guy in his 5th pro fight.
The problem with rating fighters in the low weight divisions is that there is very little depth.
There are so few fighters in these weight classes so you have a shallow talent pool to begin with.
How big of a deal is it to be one of 3 or 4 "champions" of a weight division that only spans three pounds?
Strawweight is historically defunct, but from 108 to 115 the depth is unquestionable. Granted, much more so at 112 (being one of the original 8 weight classes), but 108 and 115 have had their fair share of quality fighters throughout the years, particularly in the 80s and early 90s.
The fighter you so off-handedly dismissed earlier (Konadu) is one of the prime examples. He was like a pint-sized, consistent version of Freddie Pendleton. I've heard him referred to as a super-charged Quartey/Forrest. Moon was basically his Mayorga, in that case.
Not saying there has never been a good fighter in these weight classes. I am saying that because there are so few fighters that are light flyweights, that naturally you are usually not going to have much depth as you would in a higher weight class.
It makes sense. What % of people weigh over 105 but not over 108? What % weigh over 108 but not over 112? It's got to be pretty tiny. There simply is not enough fighters.
There is no good reason to have so many weight classes bunched together. Is it really asking too much for someone whose ideal fighting weight is say 108 to have to fight someone who weighs 112?
Often fighters with little experience get title shots (occasionally winning) because there simply isn't a lot of really good fighters.
The bottom line is that there would be a lot more depth at flyweight and bantamweight if the 105, 108, 115 weight classes don't exist.
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No arguing that. The amount of weight classes, especially down there, is absurd. There's still plenty of depth, it's just more spread between the divisions than it needs to be.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yes for, Wongjongkam, Fox, Lytell, Leto, booker( i thought he finally got in), Zapata, paul, Dejesus, moon, Joyce, Valdes, Laciar, nunn & Gonzalez.
Hilario Zapata is already elected for the 2016 International Boxing Hall of Fame and if you are thinking Humberto Gonzalez, then he was already inducted in 2006.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yes for, Wongjongkam, Fox, Lytell, Leto, booker( i thought he finally got in), Zapata, paul, Dejesus, moon, Joyce, Valdes, Laciar, nunn & Gonzalez.
Hilario Zapata is already elected for the 2016 International Boxing Hall of Fame and if you are thinking Humberto Gonzalez, then he was already inducted in 2006.
Nah, Betulio. I just gave my votes for the ones brought up.
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Yes for, Wongjongkam, Fox, Lytell, Leto, booker( i thought he finally got in), Zapata, paul, Dejesus, moon, Joyce, Valdes, Laciar, nunn & Gonzalez.
Hilario Zapata is already elected for the 2016 International Boxing Hall of Fame and if you are thinking Humberto Gonzalez, then he was already inducted in 2006.
Nah, Betulio. I just gave my votes for the ones brought up.
Thanks for mentioning the first name of this Gonzalez Saad.
