john fury

[lillywhite14]

Whats wrong with Partridge? Is the name Fury a big one to have in the travelling world then?

[Coco]

I do a bit of family history and subscribe to ancestry.com, when you know what you are doing it isn't too hard to track people down, I had a good look and found no link to Partridge at all.
Records before 1841 are more scarce, so perhaps the poster has knowledge previous to that date!

[el_grande_mauro_mina]

Give Pigg credit this time round, that was an entertaining bit of writing, ever thought of going into Journalism, Pigg?

[Coco]

While it was amusing, if the Partridge claims are false, it obviously puts the rest of the story in doubt.

[milpool]

Give Pigg credit this time round, that was an entertaining bit of writing, ever thought of going into Journalism, Pigg?

Looks like Pigg has been banished again...

[mickey1975]

To be fair to Pigg, his info on Frank Grants carachter was pretty spot on. Tommy Miller and John Celebanski are not just names you pluck out of thin air, either, so he has some knowledge of West Yorkshire boxing.

[Eddy]

And in his prime...

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I wonder if he knew what was to become of him and his boys whether he'd have tried to do differenly?

You never know do you, but I suspect not. Sykes, I think, was basically a bad man.

Apart from 'Paul Sykes at Large' is there any other things about him? Did anyone on here know him? I thought he was funny in that!

[palooka]

There were a few posters who lived in the same area as Sykes and they said he was a mean bully most of the time and that as he got older and more decrepit he got a few kickings. When I was in Hull Prison in 89 he was in the block.

[Eddy]

Yeah and his sons all went wonky donkey. Did you know them Mr P?

[palooka]

Yeah and his sons all went wonky donkey. Did you know them Mr P?

No, Eddy - they are from a different town, Wakefield - about 20 miles away. I saw the documentary and there were some silly bits in but he just seemed a bully - its terrible both his lads have killed someone, what a awful thing to live with. From what I understand Syke's father was very strict and pretty physical, it seems violence breeds violence. Doncaster has its share of hard nutters though and just across town in Dalton is where Mick Mills was from, he was another very tough man.

[jonnyyorkshu]

I'm from wakefield and met Paul a few times.
I remember at a junior rugby presentation he was giving out awards for the district team and he was hammered lol, one of the players dad's brought him a black coffee and Sykes chinned him lol
I always remember the size of his hands, they were like shovels.

[Eddy]

I wonder if that Paul Skykes knew Big "Bill the Bomb"? He was always in and out of prison. Wish there was more about him as he was very well known in East London.

I'll look up that Mills bloke.

[palooka]

I wonder if that Paul Skykes knew Big "Bill the Bomb"? He was always in and out of prison. Wish there was more about him as he was very well known in East London.

I'll look up that Mills bloke.

Mills boxed professionally, Mick 'The Bomb' Mills - he was known as a big hitter but one dimensional. The lads from Sheffield will know loads more though I know he was a bloke who lied a few pints and a scrap. I read in a book about the Sheffield scene and Naseem Hamed that he'd broke 3 men's jaws when he was still young. I think he did a bit of body guarding that sort of thing.

[Boxerbeetle]

I wonder if that Paul Skykes knew Big "Bill the Bomb"? He was always in and out of prison. Wish there was more about him as he was very well known in East London.

I'll look up that Mills bloke.

Mills boxed professionally, Mick 'The Bomb' Mills - he was known as a big hitter but one dimensional. The lads from Sheffield will know loads more though I know he was a bloke who lied a few pints and a scrap. I read in a book about the Sheffield scene and Naseem Hamed that he'd broke 3 men's jaws when he was still young. I think he did a bit of body guarding that sort of thing.

Was that 'On The Ropes' by any chance? Good book that, the author did a follow-up purely about Naz.

[palooka]

I wonder if that Paul Skykes knew Big "Bill the Bomb"? He was always in and out of prison. Wish there was more about him as he was very well known in East London.

I'll look up that Mills bloke.

Mills boxed professionally, Mick 'The Bomb' Mills - he was known as a big hitter but one dimensional. The lads from Sheffield will know loads more though I know he was a bloke who lied a few pints and a scrap. I read in a book about the Sheffield scene and Naseem Hamed that he'd broke 3 men's jaws when he was still young. I think he did a bit of body guarding that sort of thing.

Was that 'On The Ropes' by any chance? Good book that, the author did a follow-up purely about Naz.

I think it was, beetle - it was a good read.

[reggaereggae]

I ready few interesting boxing books years ago....quirkier than the usual stuff

One was Rope Burns by Ian Probert (although it do rains a weird chapter thats totally out of place about when he picks up a rent boy or something), This Bloody Mary is the last thing I own by Jonathan Rendall (I think he may have passed.)

And one more book whose title I can't remember... About mainly Manchester fighters, and all I can remember it featured Michael Gomez and about his manslaughter charge.

Does that book ring any bells?

[palooka]

I ready few interesting boxing books years ago....quirkier than the usual stuff

One was Rope Burns by Ian Probert (although it do rains a weird chapter thats totally out of place about when he picks up a rent boy or something), This Bloody Mary is the last thing I own by Jonathan Rendall (I think he may have passed.)

And one more book whose title I can't remember... About mainly Manchester fighters, and all I can remember it featured Michael Gomez and about his manslaughter charge.

Does that book ring any bells?

It does pal, Fighting Chance by Derick Allsop, got it on bookshelf. Just had a look on Amazon there's a used copy for £1.99 and a new copy for just under £990!

Just watched Gomez v Arthur on boxing gold off sky sports - what a scrap that was.

[reggaereggae]

I ready few interesting boxing books years ago....quirkier than the usual stuff

One was Rope Burns by Ian Probert (although it do rains a weird chapter thats totally out of place about when he picks up a rent boy or something), This Bloody Mary is the last thing I own by Jonathan Rendall (I think he may have passed.)

And one more book whose title I can't remember... About mainly Manchester fighters, and all I can remember it featured Michael Gomez and about his manslaughter charge.

Does that book ring any bells?

It does pal, Fighting Chance by Derick Allsop, got it on bookshelf. Just had a look on Amazon there's a used copy for £1.99 and a new copy for just under £990!

Just watched Gomez v Arthur on boxing gold off sky sports - what a scrap that was.

Ah thanks so much for that! I was searching through page after page of Amazon search results (they can be really awful....) and couldn't find it.

I think I jettisoned my copy in one of my house moves, but I would love to read it again, in retrospect it must be very interesting especially.... thanks mate

[palooka]

No problem at all, hope you get the 2 quid copy!

If you can't get it I'll lend you mine, it is a good read. PM me your address and I'll send it down.

[reggaereggae]

No problem at all, hope you get the 2 quid copy!

If you can't get it I'll lend you mine, it is a good read. PM me your address and I'll send it down.

Thanks mate, that's really kind! Hope you have a good Christmas

Ps I definitely won't be getting the 900 quid copy!

[bripez]

I'm from wakefield and met Paul a few times.
I remember at a junior rugby presentation he was giving out awards for the district team and he was hammered lol, one of the players dad's brought him a black coffee and Sykes chinned him lol
I always remember the size of his hands, they were like shovels.

Do you really think that's funny? Because, to me, that is a truly despicable thing to do.

I think so too - only made worse by the setting in front of kids etc.

"Bang 'em out Sykes" - if what I hear is correct did some really despicable things inside.

[palooka]

It's no problem at all, I've lent a few books to people on here and got them back - its only on the shelf.

I'm going to have a good Christmas now I know how to behave, no overdoing it and if it gets stressful I'm going down the river for a walk. Have got 3 days off so it'll be nice. Hope you and yours enjoy it all

[reggaereggae]

It's no problem at all, I've lent a few books to people on here and got them back - its only on the shelf.

I'm going to have a good Christmas now I know how to behave, no overdoing it and if it gets stressful I'm going down the river for a walk. Have got 3 days off so it'll be nice. Hope you and yours enjoy it all

Hahha sweet! Thanks mate, will get back to you.... Problem is I'm rubbish at looking after stuff - all my books are dog eared and brutalised. I will try and buy the 1.99 one, but what a nice offer... Merry Christmas!

[HomicideHenry]

I didn't know the fury / Partridge thing.

What then is Tyson Furys real name - I am sure I read a while ago that "Tyson" was a nickname and not his proper name, if his surname isn't even Fury then who is he ?


Henry - you sound like the most gullible person I have ever heard of (all this man of honour, never hurt anybody innocent, had over 1,000 fights undefeated nonsense).

I certainly hope you don't get a knock on the door from somebody saying that the were driving past your house and they wanted to let you know out of the goodness of their heart that you may have a lose tile on your roof, and as luck would have it they just happen to have their ladder with them and they would be willing to take a look at it for you ......

I have had dealings with both good and bad men/women from the traveller/gypsy world, or those you would call a 'slink' who claims to be one or associates themselves with them and their ways, etc. Probably a prime example of a true huckster and conman, that I have ever met and had dealings with, was Bobby Gunn (real name Robert Logan Williamson) who in all reality is not of gypsy/traveller stock but will say that he is. The moment I began questioning things, or doing my own investigations on things, and started making my own opinions (at the time I tried to do a ratings system for BKB fighters on ATGRADIO) it turned ugly and started getting death threats on my home phone from persons associated with him and other "friends" and "relatives".

I can tell you, as far as the Gorman's and Fury's are concerned, that they are far and away more honorable and straight forward and polite/respectful than alot of others out there in the culture. That doesn't mean there isn't some bad apples, or users. Take nephew of Bartley Gorman and son of Sam Gorman, Jerry. Nice enough of a guy, and runs an unlicensed boxing organisation. However, he's the type that if he felt someone else would benefit him more, he'd drop you like a bag of potatoes. Which is what he did to me, when I said I couldn't support a certain fighter overseas who was a well known weapons/drug trafficker, and he decided to side with that man because that person was (and still is) rather popular.

That being said, I guess you have to judge each and every man upon their merits and character. John Fury, reminds me of a line in the film The River's Edge, where Kevin Bacon's character said: "I am a nice guy, just a different kind of nice guy." No, he's not as level headed as his brother. Nor is he as calm, collective, as his brother. Yes, he's brash and yes he's very blunt and can be intimidating. Peter has his hands full, in alot of ways, trying to maintain some sort of order. But then again, Peter will also say it "He's his own man, and whatever he says and does is on him." That statement he's made time and again, not just on his brother but on his own son and nephew, or towards anyone for that matter.

But do I think John Fury is a bad man? No. Do I think he can be a bit much at times? Yes. Do I think he can do better to compose himself? Sure. But do I believe he is like countless others in the culture who have done bad, and even went out of their way to kill someone? No. From what I understand of the incident (the eye gauging) Fury said some things, the other man did too, and two other men jumped in and Fury went batshit. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. As for his personal life, being violent with women, I think it goes more along these lines.... when someone is considered "the man" in that culture, its likened to being a celebrity, all the women come out of the woodwork and do whatever to be with whoever, and when their purpose is done, they are left behind and if they resist, then it gets ugly. I think John Fury loved his wife, but because he was "the man" in the culture.... there were alot of temptations. Not making excuses, because I think any man who would step out on his family even once, cant have the best of morals or ethics and must be incredibly selfish and impulsive, however there is the way of the world to consider. How many "upstanding" athletes, citizens, etc. do we all know or know of who have done the same?

I guess my point is there is varying degrees of goodness and badness. And as far as John Fury is concerned, he's not a good man, nor is he a bad one. And in his culture, he's considered something of a good man. Why? Because he's alot more reserved and respectful than alot of them out there. He'll intimidate you, he'll warn you, he may even hit you across the mouth to get the point across.... but he's not as bad as alot of them are... the most dangerous, I will assure you are those who will make the entire world believe they are on the level, but when push comes to shove, they will bury your ass without a second thought. For my money, I'd rather get the hell knocked out of me by a John Fury than I would to unintentionally make some man mad in person or on the internet and get threatened, have your family threatened, or outright get jumped and possibly killed. Think Henry Wharton and what happened to him. Think of the traveller who represented Ireland in the Olympics who got stabbed and almost died because he wouldn't do a bare knuckle fight with some idiot. Hell, even think of the persons who stole Bartley Gorman's caravan, and set fire to Tyson Fury's home. I can garuntee you, it was a traveller/gypsy family that did it.

[palooka]

Is Henry Francis still on the go, Rufus?