Marvin Haglers legacy?

[NYDominican]

Professional boxings great former Middleweight Champion Marvin Hagler. Marvins pro record was 62 wins, 3 losses, and 2 draws.


Top boxers which Hagler beat. ------------ Vito Antuofermo, Mustafa Hamsho, Roberto Duran, Juan Domingo Roldan, Thomas Hears, and John Mugabe.




What do you think Marvin should rank all time in the Middleweight Division? Why?


Please explain.





What do you think Marvin Hagler should rank all time in boxings Pound for Pound category? Why?



Please explain.



Why?

[Ambling Alp II]

At middleweight, I have at #4, behind Robinson, Greb, and Monzon.
He beat several good fighters, often pretty easily; though none of them were earth shattering. He had a few losses, draws, and not that impressive performances before winning the title. He also beat some good fighters before winning it.

Pound for pound? Hard to say exactly. He is probably in the #20-30 range. There are several fighters who are roughly even with him.

[Scypion]

I think that Hagler should be right up there. He was a very tough guy. He was only knocked down once during his entire career (Juan Rolden), and I believe that it was really a slip called a knockdown. Guys like Duran and Leonard managed to go 15 and 12 rounds with him, and I believe that Duran was the only fighter to go 15 with him after marvelous Marvin won the title.

[dr_devious]

Top three middleweight, along with Greb and Monzon.

His wins before he became champ against other American contenders comprised a serious body of work, better than some of his title defenses. His defining win came late on against Tommy Hearns, decision loss to SRL was debatable.

Total iron man, never cleanly knocked down, the Roldan count looked like a slip

[campfire]

Robinson/Greb are in front of MMH and maybe Monzon............Hagler had a chin of pure granite never really clearly beaten in a boxing match.

[elmersalsa]

The great Marvelous Marvin Hagler is one of the most complete fighters that I have seen in my lifetime. He could box, slug it out, and had the will, heart, a big punch and determination and also a great chin. He was a complete package.

I have him rank at #3 all time at middleweight behind the greats Carlos Monzon (#1) and Sugar Ray Robinson (#2).

In the pound per pound rankings of all time, I ranked him at #30. The loss to on great Sugar Ray Leonard took some of his luster. But, he beat lots of good top middleweight boxers like Willie Monroe, Bobby Watts, Sugar Ray Seals, Bennie Briscoe, Marcos Geraldo and Cyclone Hart before getting a title shot. He did it THE HARD WAY. He had about 50 fights before getting a long awaited title opportunity. Then, the draw with champion Vito Antuofermo. But, won the crown magnificently against Alan Minter, destroyed Antuofermo in the rematch. Knocked out William "Caveman" Lee in one round. Was too much for Mustapha Hamsho and Fulgencio Obelmejias, beating both of them convincingly twice by KO. And wins against Juan Domingo Roldan, John Mugabi, and the greats Roberto Duran and Thomas Hearns.

Great resume of 12 successful title defenses without ducking no one. Had a warrior's mentality. And was never stopped in his career. The Ring Fighter of the Year in 1983 and 1985.

Do you know that he didn't lose a fight in 11 years?....Remarkable!

[PredatorHayds]

I have him second in my list behind Monzon.

Both made of granite. I felt both were unbeatable as champions until Sugar Ray proved me wrong.

[Nile4000]

Marvin's definitely a top five middle. If his psyche was stronger, top three.

[caldo2025]

I personally feel that these all time subjects are unfair to the boxers who reigned before most of our times so I'm not going to speak for Marvin's place in all time history But since I began watching and experiencing this great sport in the lat 70's, Marvin Hagler is #1 Middleweight on my list.

Marvin reigned at a time when the Middleweight Division was devoid of HOF contenders so he lacked a dance partner most of those years and struggled for the recognition he deserved. GGG is dealing with the same thing to a larger degree so far but regardless, Marvin was a beast. By the time, the great Welterweights moved into town, Marvin was on the way down the mountain. SRL was my favorite boxer of all time and even i can admit that the fight was years too late. I don't even consider it a knock against Marvin at all.

[gregor]

Marvin's definitely a top five middle. If his psyche was stronger, top three.

What was wrong with his psyche then? I know he lost the fight against SRL mostly outside the ring (accepting the "wrong" ring size, bigger gloves, 12 rounds instead of 15), but I would not call it that way...

[Ezzard]

People think he was tentative against Antuofermo, Duran and Leonard.

I think he was a counter puncher who struggled when the other guy could draw a lead...Finnegan and Colbert were fighters he was better than but struggled with more than he perhaps should have (though Finnegan was a high quality fighter)...

He had a great reign as champ but title reigns aren't seen as important by fans as they used to be.

He was the best at 160 for the best part of a decade.

[Bricks]

I wish he had never been conned out of the title in 87 and srl had not returned in 87. and hagler had instead fought curry in 86 than a rematch with hearns in 87....if he had got through those 2 superfights and hungered for more and decided as is the modern hopkins /pbf way to extend his career for paydays ala larry holmes (severely doubt he would) i could see marvin making "soft" defences in 87/88 v olajide,tate,barkley,kalambay than meeting mccallum or nunn to round out his career .....if hed got through those fights id make him no 1 at mw ,altho its highly unlikely ,as age would have got to him and a kalambay or graham could theoretically do a srl to an older hagler in 88 further worn down by curry and hearns

[Scypion]

Marvin's definitely a top five middle. If his psyche was stronger, top three.

What was wrong with his psyche then? I know he lost the fight against SRL mostly outside the ring (accepting the "wrong" ring size, bigger gloves, 12 rounds instead of 15), but I would not call it that way...

From what I have read, Hagler was offered millions more to take the bigger ring, millions more to take the bigger gloves, and millions more to take the 12 rounds instead of 15. To not take the money for those conditions would have taken money away from his handlers, so Marvin would not have wanted to do that I think.

[Bricks]

I personally feel that these all time subjects are unfair to the boxers who reigned before most of our times so I'm not going to speak for Marvin's place in all time history But since I began watching and experiencing this great sport in the lat 70's, Marvin Hagler is #1 Middleweight on my list.

Marvin reigned at a time when the Middleweight Division was devoid of HOF contenders so he lacked a dance partner most of those years and struggled for the recognition he deserved. GGG is dealing with the same thing to a larger degree so far but regardless, Marvin was a beast. By the time, the great Welterweights moved into town, Marvin was on the way down the mountain. SRL was my favorite boxer of all time and even i can admit that the fight was years too late. I don't even consider it a knock against Marvin at all.

Caldo do you think the post srl -marv crop of 87-89 had better dance partners? I think that "native "mw contenders during 80-87 were weak. Hamsho,obelmejias,sibson ,antuofermo, roldan, mugabi were limited pressure fighters . Id argue hagler beat better fighters before he won the title and in minter....arguably the top native mw contender herol graham was avoided during 85/86.mccallum was a lm ready to fight for the mw title in 85/86.

[Nile4000]

Marvin's definitely a top five middle. If his psyche was stronger, top three.

What was wrong with his psyche then? I know he lost the fight against SRL mostly outside the ring (accepting the "wrong" ring size, bigger gloves, 12 rounds instead of 15), but I would not call it that way...

He let Ray Charles Leonard get under his skin, in addition, let an undersized and over-his-best weight Duran give him problems instead of annihilating him.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

I don't think he let Duran he was forced by the great Duran give some credit to Duran, Hagler was a monster.