If you're 'not a full shilling' it means that your mental competence is not up to scratch.HomicideHenry wrote:los2 wrote:is it ok to beat women if youre "the man"????????????..................
It's frowned upon even in the culture, but I think alot of men focus on their own families rather than what someone else does in there's unless it is a direct confrontation within their own ranks. I know when reading Bartley Gorman's book, he talked how alot of the women were mistreated and he deemed it to be nothing more than "white slavery" and recalled how he saw a man hit his wife, and Gorman knocked the man out for doing so. I guess cus Gorman had the balls, and the "no fear" factor of it all because he was "the man". I guess ultimately it comes down to people being intimidated by some, that they don't interfere. I don't know of that many men, ordinary common persons or otherwise, who would want to stand up to someone like John Fury when he was in his prime (or even now at age 50) because of his unpredictablity and strength.
I guess the question one should ask themselves, "How often do you stand up or interfere, when you see a man treating a woman or child like that?".... I think if most people are honest, most will say they haven't, and feel incredibly bad about themselves for not doing so. It's easy for us to say such things online, and to criticize, etc. but how many would defend "the little guy" or defend some woman, if they saw some hulk of a man acting like an ass?
I think people also have to realize, its not easy either being a man in such cultures. I once dated a woman who was a third cousin to Joe Joyce ("The Incredible Hulk") who was at one time the king of the travellers in Ireland. If anyone knows anything about the film KNUCKLE they will know that one of the biggest, most talked about fights in the BKB world in recent years was between Joyce's brother Paddy and James Quinn McDonagh. Of course, McDonagh won, rather handidly. Joe Joyce would later publically say that his brother Paddy "Wasn't the full shilling", meaning he was not the best of the Joyce's and really had no business fighting the man, but because Paddy was his brother he supported him doing so. What no one knows about that whole scenario, in the aftermath, Paddy Joyce was HORSEWHIPPED by his own family for having lost to McDonagh. Why? Because he disgraced them by losing. Or so the story was told to me by my ex girlfriend.
Its a very strange world, with very bizarre codes of ethics and manhood, etc. but again I'll say it all comes down to this: there's varying degrees of good and bad in any culture, and in any family. The forum, at present, is ripping into John Fury because he seems to be the "bad egg" of the clan, or a prime example of "bad gypsies". As I pointed out before, he's considered one of the more honorable and good persons in that culture. So that tells you something. However, I will say, that he seems to be alot better than he was prior to going to prison and reconnecting with his Christian faith, etc. but every now and then the badger is let loose and he will shoot off his mouth and say some rather bizarre things or will make rude/crude gestures. But, as Peter and Tyson and others will attest, "That is on him, not us, he's his own man and should be judged for his own actions and words."
Sort of like the documentary that was aired before the Klitschko fight, where him and his father had words during sparring. He told his father to (more or less) sit his ass down, and to shut up and quit being an idiot, etc. and Peter ignored John as well and told the sparring partners to get back into the ring and keep training.
There are many thousands of traveller's who do not fight and intimidate and who conduct their lives well, living alongside people with different traditions and culture. Any one of those to my mind is far more honourable and a better person than Fury Snr.
I think people want to say they're not racist, and that they are open minded and inclusive to one and all.... but I think because the 'minority' is white in appearance, its okay to crap all over them... the bitter irony, for me, is how England wants to talk about being an unbigoted nation but they restrict the gypsy way of life. No caravans, etc. because its a public nuisance and lowers property values, etc. and YET they will let a bunch of Muslims take over an entire town (Rotherham) and apply shariah law and show a violent streak intimidating the police.... and YET that is acceptable, because Muslims are currently in the news and it is politically incorrect to tell another religion "No you cant do that!"
respectfully, where on earth do you get your info?