How long will Deontay Wilder avoid the top heavyweights?

[Badhusker]

They have him ranked #4. I think that is fair based on his talent and until someone proves otherwise. I don't put a lot of stock in rankings, because they are all over the place. Settle it in the ring.

[Chepppaaa]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

[Badhusker]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

It is pretty hard for Wilder to win at this point. Critics use rankings or lack of being ranked as means to criticize competition. Then when that doesn't work throw out rankings all together saying they don't matter. Wilder is still getting blamed for not fighting Glazkov ffs, and not giving Szpilka enough notice. All he has to do is to keep winning.

It seems the biggest criticism for most boxers is they are not exciting enough, too much boxing and running. When we get a guy like Wilder who is out there going for the KO, people find ways to criticize that. I think he is exciting to watch, and will enjoy that until someone proves he is just a hype job. If I remember right, nearly 1/2 of the people on this board chose Stiverne to beat him.....now say Stiverne is a bum.

[Tarkus]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

Of course he was, did not he have an illustrious record of beating multitude of world class heavyweights like Arreola and uhm, Arreola. Wilder beating a fringe top 10 fighter in a very weak division proves that he is better then a bum, nothing more.

And of course we have to ignore Wilder atrocious record, short notices, unwillingness to test himself even after Olympic bronze, 30 pro fights, WBC belt, etc just because he apparently has "talent". Which simply means that someone likes way he looks. If you look good you dont need to prove that you are good. I am an objective observer and therefore will stay skeptical until he makes an effort to prove something rather then talking about how great he is.

[Chepppaaa]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

It is pretty hard for Wilder to win at this point. Critics use rankings or lack of being ranked as means to criticize competition. Then when that doesn't work throw out rankings all together saying they don't matter. Wilder is still getting blamed for not fighting Glazkov ffs, and not giving Szpilka enough notice. All he has to do is to keep winning.

It seems the biggest criticism for most boxers is they are not exciting enough, too much boxing and running. When we get a guy like Wilder who is out there going for the KO, people find ways to criticize that. I think he is exciting to watch, and will enjoy that until someone proves he is just a hype job. If I remember right, nearly 1/2 of the people on this board chose Stiverne to beat him.....now say Stiverne is a bum.

good points.

lets me clear about it. stiverne was and is a top heavyweight and wilder beat him.

wilder wanted povetkin and povetkin camp said no.

glazkov is overrated and got a gift vs cunningham and should not be considered for wilder.

while i would prefer seeing wilder against pulev or prarker, yet still i find szplika as an good heavyweight opponent, also the guy is fun to watch, so i dont understand the hate wilder is getting.

[Chepppaaa]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

Of course he was, did not he have an illustrious record of beating multitude of world class heavyweights like Arreola and uhm, Arreola. Wilder beating a fringe top 10 fighter in a very weak division proves that he is better then a bum, nothing more.

And of course we have to ignore Wilder atrocious record, short notices, unwillingness to test himself even after Olympic bronze, 30 pro fights, WBC belt, etc just because he apparently has "talent". Which simply means that someone likes way he looks. If you look good you dont need to prove that you are good. I am an objective observer and therefore will stay skeptical until he makes an effort to prove something rather then talking about how great he is.

if you dont see his talent, than you are a non expert.

wilder is 6'7, has a great powerful 1+2, can take a punch (yes he has chin, stiverne is strong and wilder took his punches well), dude has 97 % ko ratio and guys like holyfield or 90's tyson would get their ass beat by him.

[Tarkus]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

Of course he was, did not he have an illustrious record of beating multitude of world class heavyweights like Arreola and uhm, Arreola. Wilder beating a fringe top 10 fighter in a very weak division proves that he is better then a bum, nothing more.

And of course we have to ignore Wilder atrocious record, short notices, unwillingness to test himself even after Olympic bronze, 30 pro fights, WBC belt, etc just because he apparently has "talent". Which simply means that someone likes way he looks. If you look good you dont need to prove that you are good. I am an objective observer and therefore will stay skeptical until he makes an effort to prove something rather then talking about how great he is.

if you dont see his talent, than you are a non expert.

wilder is 6'7, has a great powerful 1+2, can take a punch (yes he has chin, stiverne is strong and wilder took his punches well), dude has 97 % ko ratio and guys like holyfield or 90's tyson would get their ass beat by him.

I do see a great talent in comedy though. D

[Chepppaaa]

Of course he was, did not he have an illustrious record of beating multitude of world class heavyweights like Arreola and uhm, Arreola. Wilder beating a fringe top 10 fighter in a very weak division proves that he is better then a bum, nothing more.

And of course we have to ignore Wilder atrocious record, short notices, unwillingness to test himself even after Olympic bronze, 30 pro fights, WBC belt, etc just because he apparently has "talent". Which simply means that someone likes way he looks. If you look good you dont need to prove that you are good. I am an objective observer and therefore will stay skeptical until he makes an effort to prove something rather then talking about how great he is.

if you dont see his talent, than you are a non expert.

wilder is 6'7, has a great powerful 1+2, can take a punch (yes he has chin, stiverne is strong and wilder took his punches well), dude has 97 % ko ratio and guys like holyfield or 90's tyson would get their ass beat by him.

I do see a great talent in comedy though. D

[man]

so stiverne was not top heavyweight?

no, he wasn't.

[man]

... therefore will stay skeptical until he makes an effort to prove something rather then talking about how great he is.

[Nightmare Roy]

IMO novices like AJ and Parker would beat Wilder easily, so he has KO'd everyone, his opponents have been awful. As for beating Tyson and Holy GTFO

[marvelous marv]

Both Joshua and his promoter have said they are not ready to step up and fight Wilder at this time. I suppose you know better than them.

[asdfjkl]

Both Joshua and his promoter have said they are not ready to step up and fight Wilder at this time. I suppose you know better than them.

They said they are going to bring him in slowly, his promotor also said he's able to KO just about everyone within four rounds.


About Wilder, he has improved a lot in his last couple of fights. He looked a lot better as Duhaupas and looked just slightly better as Stiverne, somehow I've always considered Duhaupas to be a better boxer as Stiverne.

Even if you look back at his Jason Gavern fight, which was only five fights ago and watch that same Gavern, but then in shape against Anthony Joshua, it's easy to notice Deontay Wilder improved a lot.

Two years ago Wilder had like 1% chance against Povetkin, nowadays he actually has the odds!

[Nightmare Roy]

Both Joshua and his promoter have said they are not ready to step up and fight Wilder at this time. I suppose you know better than them.

I haven't heard them say that about Wilder, they have said it about Fury and I agree with that.

[Badhusker]

Both Joshua and his promoter have said they are not ready to step up and fight Wilder at this time. I suppose you know better than them.

I haven't heard them say that about Wilder, they have said it about Fury and I agree with that.

Wilder has 90 rounds in the pros and about 22? amateur fights. Joshua had 43 amateur fights and only 32 rounds in the pros. Smart trainers will bring young talents like these two along slowly, to get rounds and gain experience. Fans that have no patience or knowledge how to properly bring up a young talent are just fans, for a reason. I compare these two because of the criticism they get for not fighting anyone good, despite their limited amateur background. I think Wilder is ready now, but Joshua is not.

[keithmoonhangover]

He didn't avoid Stiverne, who was a top heavyweight. He's taken the easiest defences he could get away with, just like Riddick Bowe, George Foreman and lots of other heavyweight champions.