Floyd says racism still exists in boxing...

[Ricky_]

Floyd's right, Ward is only ranked #4 p4p because he is black.

If Ward was white, he would be the undisputed GOAT... even considering his best win was Kessler via headbutts.

Nah his best win was when embarrassed Froch but everyone on the forum tries to forget that one.

Kessler > Froch.

[Tony1244]

Right.....so you've driven through a couple of difficult places, with the windows up and sh1tting yourself... And now you're an expert on the ghetto! Jaysus this is too funny

You would get torn apart in any majority black area and quickly change your 'liberal' tune.... You are a pussyhole

I'm not sure that you've understood Tony1244's posts.

You are normally a pretty good poster, but you are making a bit of an arse of yourself today.

I agree with horse. You're usually a good poster and you said something funny recently that I positively acknowledged. I'm not even close to an expert on the ghetto. Where did I say anything like that? But of course I have been cautious and even scared in certain neighborhoods. BTW, black people like Jesse Jackson and George Foreman have acknowledged the same thing about certain neighborhoods. What's your point?

[Tony1244]

Are you drunk?

Yeah, not sure what your point here is regaer. Of course I've been in and driven thru various kinds of places. I have never pretended to have lived the life of a Leon Spinks or Mike Tyson. All I said was that there are racists of all colors, even though most people are not racists.

Tony it is comments like this that make me like you.
You are stating such an obvious fact that people will never accept it.
MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT RACIST AND RACISTS COME IN ALL COLORS.

Very simple and to the point.I don't find near as many racist as the media leads us to believe.

Thanks. Likewise. The media always seeks controversy.

[MachoTime]

I'd say if Mayweather was really unhappy about Ring Magazines ranking system why not make a list up himself like everyone else does.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Statement A: "Racism" isn't a HUGE problem in the USA. It's just a few people, and it's mostly in the victim's head.
Statement B: 90% of the people I know have had multiple "race" based incidents in their lives ... including "white" people.
(I live in a diverse city where there is a lot of "interracial" interaction.)

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.
If you are going to stand behind that statement, then you logically have to rank guys like Floyd, RJJ, Donaire (2007-2012), and Hopkins very highly.

If not, then you are admitting you are letting "excitement" influence your p4p ranking, which then completely disqualifies you from any serious boxing discussion.

[Undefeated49-0]

Statement A: "Racism" isn't a HUGE problem in the USA. It's just a few people, and it's mostly in the victim's head.
Statement B: 90% of the people I know have had multiple "race" based incidents in their lives ... including "white" people.
(I live in a diverse city where there is a lot of "interracial" interaction.)

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.
If you are going to stand behind that statement, then you logically have to rank guys like Floyd, RJJ, Donaire (2007-2012), and Hopkins very highly.

If not, then you are admitting you are letting "excitement" influence your p4p ranking, which then completely disqualifies you from any serious boxing discussion.

You're preaching to the "I love Lampley" fan club. They are all just like him (a bitter man who hates Floyd Mayweather Jr). Notice how Lampley just cannot wait to take a poke at Floyd in all his lame shows and during all his commentary.

I think the entire HBO Network is upset that Floyd dropped them like a hotrock and made more money for Showtime than all their boxing events did this entire year.

The rest of the bitterness here is the Manny Pacquiao faithful who are just going to be upset the rest of their miserable little lives that Floyd beat their hero easily.

You will never change their opinions because they are too full of bitterness and hatred.

[Horse]

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.

Who should be P4P No. 1 then?

[Undefeated49-0]

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.

Who should be P4P No. 1 then?

By all accounts it probably should be Pacquiao, he's beaten better competition than any active fighter in the sport, Ward could arguably #2 but y'all hung up on how long it's been since he's last fought.

Y'all won't even consider a pass for the man for the legal actions he went through and now the subsequent injury, at least some of these boxing organizations got it right when they allow some of their champions to be in Emeritus status.

Ward should've been granted the same Emertius status during his legal battles because not one fighter has beat him in the ring, it reminds me of the days of Ali when the lame U.S. Government stripped him of his title, no fighter had beaten him.

Would you have put Ali at the back of the bus simply because he couldn't get a fight due to legalities??

Some of y'all have other motives for doing so, it's either because you want to see GGG ahead of him (most of ya'll) or there may be some closet bigotry going on.

Who knows, all I know is that real boxing fans in my era of growing up understood that we didn't throw someone to the back of the bus simply because they went through something that kept them away from the ring.

This era and generation of folks only speak out of hate and emotion though.

[Horse]

By all accounts it probably should be Pacquiao, he's beaten better competition than any active fighter in the sport, Ward could arguably #2 but y'all hung up on how long it's been since he's last fought.

Y'all won't even consider a pass for the man for the legal actions he went through and now the subsequent injury, at least some of these boxing organizations got it right when they allow some of their champions to be in Emeritus status.

Ward should've been granted the same Emertius status during his legal battles because not one fighter has beat him in the ring, it reminds me of the days of Ali when the lame U.S. Government stripped him of his title, no fighter had beaten him.

Would you have put Ali at the back of the bus simply because he couldn't get a fight due to legalities??

Some of y'all have other motives for doing so, it's either because you want to see GGG ahead of him (most of ya'll) or there may be some closet bigotry going on.

Who knows, all I know is that real boxing fans in my era of growing up understood that we didn't throw someone to the back of the bus simply because they went through something that kept them away from the ring.

This era and generation of folks only speak out of hate and emotion though.

Ali would have dropped down my P4P rankings as well. You can't do nothing for 4 odd years and keep a high ranking, politics or not.

Pacquiao looks washed up. He doesn't deserve the No. 1 spot. His performance against Mayweather was very poor.

[Undefeated49-0]

Ali would have dropped down my P4P rankings as well. You can't do nothing for 4 odd years and keep a high ranking, politics or not.

Pacquiao looks washed up. He doesn't deserve the No. 1 spot. His performance against Mayweather was very poor.

So we're basing P4P on how well a fighter performs?? I didn't know that.

Newsflash: Basically everyone's performance vs Floyd was poor, they all lost.

[Horse]

So we're basing P4P on how well a fighter performs?? I didn't know that.

Uh, ya!

Newsflash: Basically everyone's performance vs Floyd was poor, they all lost.

Even Berto did better than Pacquiao. He's washed up and there for the taking.

I'd not want that has-been as my No. 1.

[Undefeated49-0]

So we're basing P4P on how well a fighter performs?? I didn't know that.

Uh, ya!

Newsflash: Basically everyone's performance vs Floyd was poor, they all lost.

Even Berto did better than Pacquiao. He's washed up and there for the taking.

I'd not want that has-been as my No. 1.

So by your analogy, all we have to do is get two boxers near the top to duke it out and perform well then they will deserve the P4P spot? Or am I being too facetious?

lol

[jamesmcdonnell]

Floyd is a huge jerk as an individual but a broken clock is right twice a day, there still is racism everywhere, so there is in boxing too.

All colors of people are capable of being racist.

I agree, however, that's not why Andre Ward isn't rated #1 - it's the fact he barely fights, and has been fighting scrubs lately.

For Floyd to suggest it'd due to racism is just plain wrong.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Are you drunk?

Yeah, not sure what your point here is regaer. Of course I've been in and driven thru various kinds of places. I have never pretended to have lived the life of a Leon Spinks or Mike Tyson. All I said was that there are racists of all colors, even though most people are not racists.

Right.....so you've driven through a couple of difficult places, with the windows up and sh1tting yourself... And now you're an expert on the ghetto! Jaysus this is too funny

You would get torn apart in any majority black area and quickly change your 'liberal' tune.... You are a pussyhole

Are you suggesting 'majority black' neighbourhoods are full of feral animals? Weird logic.

I live in the heart of Brixton before you try tearing into me, and have done so for 15 years, long before it was fashionable to do so.

[Tony1244]

Floyd is a huge jerk as an individual but a broken clock is right twice a day, there still is racism everywhere, so there is in boxing too.

All colors of people are capable of being racist.

I agree, however, that's not why Andre Ward isn't rated #1 - it's the fact he barely fights, and has been fighting scrubs lately.

For Floyd to suggest it'd due to racism is just plain wrong.

We agree. I was just saying that Floyd is right on the larger point that there is some racism still out there (which the media overhypes) but on the specific point, yeah Ward's ratings and who he should or shouldn't fight has nothing to do with racism.

[caldo2025]

A month ago Floyd comes out against the Canelo/Cotto scoring saying that the fix is in. Meanwhile, Dave Moretti and Burt Clements proved to be in his pocket his whole career and who's bogus scorecards in the Maidana 1 fight handed Floyd a victory he never deserved.

He pockets a record purse against Manny 8 months ago and riddled anti-Asian sentiment through the prefight build up now calls attention to how Racist Boxing is.

He promotes himself as the only clean boxer on the planet and speaks out against anyone that "don't take the test" and he's caught taking an illegal IV commonly used by PED abusers to mask drug the night before the biggest fight on the planet. Oh and he and his team denied Manny taking a Toradol shot for a bad shoulder days before.

What an absolute clown Floyd Mayweather Jr is. One day soon, he will get what is coming to him. He will get his in the end, they always do. Somehow or someway. And I'm going to laugh my f'ng ass off when it does.

[Horse]

We agree. I was just saying that Floyd is right on the larger point that there is some racism still out there (which the media overhypes) but on the specific point, yeah Ward's ratings and who he should or shouldn't fight has nothing to do with racism.

Mayweather is a part of the racism though.

He's saying dumbass race-baiting crap. Whining that his race deserves more respect in the P4P rankings when they don't.

[Tony1244]

Mayweather's remarks were asinine. If he wants Ward to be ranked higher P4P, he should tell his buddy to do this thing called f-i-g-h-t-i-n-g.

Ward had 1 fight in 2015, zero in 2014, 1 in 2013 and 1 in 2012. That's laughable. Ward shouldn't be even in the top 10 P4P for that reason alone. I don't know if May believes his own nonsense or he's just acting stupid purposely. I hope it's the later.

[davie]

There's no doubt there is still racism everywhere to some degree and there always will be
But does anyone really believe that boxing is an inherently racist sport these days or a place that is particularly hostile to a particular race or nationality of fighter?

Recent conversations in BOTP forum, have led me to do quite a bit of reading about the shameful past this sport has, when it comes to racism, in particular to African American fighters.
The reaction to Jack Johnson winning the heavyweight title, the attempts to find a white man to knock him of the throne, the refusal to allow a black man to fight for the title for years.
Langford, Wills, Mcvey and Jeannette unable to fight for the title. The 9 murderers row fighters unable to get shots in the 30s and 40s while white and Italian american fighters were lined up to fight the likes of Louis, Charles, Moore, SRR and Armstrong. All of whom had to be levels better than their peers to get the shots themselves.

This sport has a murky past. But when you look at it today, is it really a place where black fighters don't get chances, don't get the respect they deserve?

Lets start with the rankings, since that is what Floyd took issue with
In the history of Ring magazine p4p rankings, since 1989, a white man has never topped the list (and has never deserved to)
89 - Tyson - black
90-92 - JCC - mexican
93-95 - Whitaker - black
96/99/03 - RJJ - black (admittedly should have been from 96-04)
97 - 98 - ODLH - mexican american
00 - 01 - Mosely - black
02/04 - Hopkins - black
05-07, 12-15 - FMJ - black
08 - 11 - Pacquiao - filipino.

If you're looking for racism in sport, then the modern p4p rankings are not the place to point the finger.

Name me a black fighter who has been held back or stopped from challenging for a title in the last 10 years, in your opinion, because of the colour of his skin?

The world title scene has it's fair share of black fighters, the p4p rankings are as multi-cultural as could conceivably be.

The highest grossing fighters in the history of the game have been black, Mexican, Filipino etc
Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhamad Ali, Tyson and Lewis, De la Hoya, Floyd, Pacquiao.

Some of the most powerful and influential people, Al Haymon, ODLH, Don King, Suliaman etc have been black or latino.

ATG rankings are topped by black fighters and halls of fame filled with names like Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie Moore, Henry Armstrong, Joe Louis and Ezzard Charles, people who did struggle in times of real racial discrimination but are recognised now for their greatness

I'd love to see some facts or statistics to back up his assertions that racism is a real issue inthe sport.

Andre Ward is p4p no4 because he's fought no one of note in the last 4 years and no other reason.
Had he continued fighting and beating top level opposition (which he almost certainly would have) for the last 4 years I'd be on here arguing he should be no1, he is a supremely talented fighter. But he didn't and his resume has suffered for it.
If he is as good as he was 4 years ago he is arguably the best fighter active today, but without a significant win we have nothing to gauge that against.

For a black man, who has had the success and money that Floyd has had, the opportunities, the ability to stage manage a career, hold titles without defending them, hand pick opponents and set up super-money fights, he has a bit of a cheek. If racism is a big part of the sport it never held him back.

Racism still exists, Floyd has his fair share of haters and there are many who would gladly see a return of the days when boxing stifled the progress of black fighters like Floyd. But I simply do not see the modern sport of boxing as one that discriminates against the black man. In fact it is one of the few arenas where I feel they get fair opportunities.

[Deadendgeneration]

If Ward fights and defeats Kovalev next year then then he'll move back up the list. However, not necessarily to number 1 as Gonzalez could conceivably beat Estrada and Inoue.

Anyway nationalism is a much bigger problem than racism. It's difficult for anyone who doesn't fight in the states to get real recognition. The ridiculous nature of the orgs allowing, for example, the WBC to offer Mexican fighters more advantages than others doesn't help either.

[davie]

If Ward fights and defeats Kovalev next year then then he'll move back up the list. However, not necessarily to number 1 as Gonzalez could conceivably beat Estrada and Inoue.

Anyway nationalism is a much bigger problem than racism. It's difficult for anyone who doesn't fight in the states to get real recognition. The ridiculous nature of the orgs allowing, for example, the WBC to offer Mexican fighters more advantages than others doesn't help either.

If Ward were to beat Kovalev or GGG he would be no1 on my list and there's nothing the likes of Gonzalez could do to change that

[Horse]

President Obama moved race relations back a step with his race-baiting speeches.

Obama was an absolute international clown that America will struggle to recover from.

America voted for that spacker twice in a row. Can America ever make up for Obama?

[Impractical Poster]

Statement A: "Racism" isn't a HUGE problem in the USA. It's just a few people, and it's mostly in the victim's head.
Statement B: 90% of the people I know have had multiple "race" based incidents in their lives ... including "white" people.
(I live in a diverse city where there is a lot of "interracial" interaction.)

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.
If you are going to stand behind that statement, then you logically have to rank guys like Floyd, RJJ, Donaire (2007-2012), and Hopkins very highly.

If not, then you are admitting you are letting "excitement" influence your p4p ranking, which then completely disqualifies you from any serious boxing discussion.

You're preaching to the "I love Lampley" fan club. They are all just like him (a bitter man who hates Floyd Mayweather Jr). Notice how Lampley just cannot wait to take a poke at Floyd in all his lame shows and during all his commentary.

I think the entire HBO Network is upset that Floyd dropped them like a hotrock and made more money for Showtime than all their boxing events did this entire year.

The rest of the bitterness here is the Manny Pacquiao faithful who are just going to be upset the rest of their miserable little lives that Floyd beat their hero easily.

You will never change their opinions because they are too full of bitterness and hatred.

If you don't have Gonzalez p4p #1, you're a racist.

[forcefraser]

Black is the new pink. Yellow is the new white. Shake it up, spread it around and what do you got?

[BAD INTENTIONS]

Whatever though. I'm more appalled by how the boxing public slurp everything HBO jizzes at them. Gonzalez as #1 p4p is a joke.

Who should be P4P No. 1 then?

I think p4p #1 has to answer two major criteria.
Who would be the best all things even?
Who has accomplished the most?

If you really think about it, they both are linked. Determining who the best would be without seriously considering the opposition level is pure fallacy and faith. You could end up like me thinking Amir Imam's first lost would be after a few title defenses. I made such bold conclusions before he ever proved himself against elite opponents. That's not the way to pick p4p imo.

After the you determined the fighters who answer those two questions best, the tiebreaker should go to how easily the fighter won.

Based on that criteria, my current p4p #1 is Sergei Kovalev.

If Ward beats any top 5 fighter at 168 or 175 in the usual Ward manner, I'd give him back p4p #1.
Rigondeaux is my #2 because he's getting the duck treatment. If he was given better opportunities, I think he'd be #1.