Amir Khan Probably missed Manny Pacquiao!

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Rexob wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:Everything that I've read points to a Brook/Khan fight mid year. Brook and Khan have to fight someone at some point right? Typical blowhard Brits yapping to reporters about a million fights they never have. Those two especially are exhausting.


Broner. And that's all I got to say about that :lol:
You're calling a 26 year old 4 division World Champ a blowhard?
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northern wrote:like barerra wasn't a win worth mentioning for khan, I watched that fight live, the head clash and cut, the fight should have been stopped but wasn't and it was a big win for khan somehow because it was a stoppage when he (barerra) was bleeding and couldn't see.

I'd say brook and khan are more similar really when you look closer, Brook is just starting his title reign and has defended it twice this year, the same as khan who won and defended the title in the same year and had two defences the year after.

Brook will fight who they put in front of him and who will make a better fight for him, like anyone in their position should. Now Khan needs to fight for respect in the year ahead, me: I'd love to see him rematch Peterson in the UK, both established welterweights now and both are free to fight and everyone loves a rematch.
Khan is younger than Brook and he first won a world title 6.5 years ago.

Khan defended against Salita, Malignaggi and Maidana in his first three defences.

Brook will have fought Dan Ion, Gavin and Bizier in his first three defences.

Khan is a class above. Brook lacks ambition.
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Horse wrote:
northern wrote:like barerra wasn't a win worth mentioning for khan, I watched that fight live, the head clash and cut, the fight should have been stopped but wasn't and it was a big win for khan somehow because it was a stoppage when he (barerra) was bleeding and couldn't see.

I'd say brook and khan are more similar really when you look closer, Brook is just starting his title reign and has defended it twice this year, the same as khan who won and defended the title in the same year and had two defences the year after.

Brook will fight who they put in front of him and who will make a better fight for him, like anyone in their position should. Now Khan needs to fight for respect in the year ahead, me: I'd love to see him rematch Peterson in the UK, both established welterweights now and both are free to fight and everyone loves a rematch.
Khan is younger than Brook and he first won a world title 6.5 years ago.

Khan defended against Salita, Malignaggi and Maidana in his first three defences.

Brook will have fought Dan Ion, Gavin and Bizier in his first three defences.

Khan is a class above. Brook lacks ambition.
Brook has always been a welter weight, a division that's always had big names and had to fight his way up through the division to get where he is now.

Maidana was a good win I admit but Malignaggi had 1 loss and 1 win (in that order) going into his fight with Khan and salita who had 1 12 round fight before fighting Khan and no world level opponents at all before that.

porter was undefeated when Brook won the title, Ion had won his last 5, Gavin had won his last 3 and is a good name in the UK (we all wanted khan but he refused) and as for Bizier he lost to Ion on split decision twice and beat previously undefeated Fredrick Lawson to get his shot, if brook wins in the same fashion and it proves to be an easy night for him that's his belt defended for another year and he can fight who he likes again.
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northern wrote:Brook has always been a welter weight, a division that's always had big names and had to fight his way up through the division to get where he is now.

Maidana was a good win I admit but Malignaggi had 1 loss and 1 win (in that order) going into his fight with Khan and salita who had 1 12 round fight before fighting Khan and no world level opponents at all before that.

porter was undefeated when Brook won the title, Ion had won his last 5, Gavin had won his last 3 and is a good name in the UK (we all wanted khan but he refused) and as for Bizier he lost to Ion on split decision twice and beat previously undefeated Fredrick Lawson to get his shot, if brook wins in the same fashion and it proves to be an easy night for him that's his belt defended for another year and he can fight who he likes again.
Who is currently a better ATG Khan or Brook?

Khan has done the things. Brook has beaten Porter.
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Horse wrote:
northern wrote:Brook has always been a welter weight, a division that's always had big names and had to fight his way up through the division to get where he is now.

Maidana was a good win I admit but Malignaggi had 1 loss and 1 win (in that order) going into his fight with Khan and salita who had 1 12 round fight before fighting Khan and no world level opponents at all before that.

porter was undefeated when Brook won the title, Ion had won his last 5, Gavin had won his last 3 and is a good name in the UK (we all wanted khan but he refused) and as for Bizier he lost to Ion on split decision twice and beat previously undefeated Fredrick Lawson to get his shot, if brook wins in the same fashion and it proves to be an easy night for him that's his belt defended for another year and he can fight who he likes again.
Who is currently a better ATG Khan or Brook?

Khan has done the things. Brook has beaten Porter.
similar age and the way they interact with the public and how their careers are going right now, by the time both retire I'd say Brook can push ahead of khan as an all time great.

who would you say they should fight next ? khans next opponent and Brooks fight after Bizier I mean
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northern wrote:similar age and the way they interact with the public and how their careers are going right now, by the time both retire I'd say Brook can push ahead of khan as an all time great.

who would you say they should fight next ? khans next opponent and Brooks fight after Bizier I mean
Khan should fight Peterson and then Brook.

Without Mayweather or Pacquiao; Brook is clearly the best opponent for Khan in the division.

Bradley would be a very good alternative, but I don't see how that makes anywhere near as much money.
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Horse wrote:
northern wrote:similar age and the way they interact with the public and how their careers are going right now, by the time both retire I'd say Brook can push ahead of khan as an all time great.

who would you say they should fight next ? khans next opponent and Brooks fight after Bizier I mean
Khan should fight Peterson and then Brook.

Without Mayweather or Pacquiao; Brook is clearly the best opponent for Khan in the division.

Bradley would be a very good alternative, but I don't see how that makes anywhere near as much money.
I actually agree with you there, the Peterson rematch then Brook in the UK or maybe Thurman if not Bradley, would be great for khan

after the Bizier fight for Brook if not Khan maybe Vargas or Peterson or if not them he could fight a European ranked name like Avanesyan or Mikhaylenko as a way to stay active
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northern wrote:after the Bizier fight for Brook if not Khan maybe Vargas or Peterson or if not them he could fight a European ranked name like Avanesyan or Mikhaylenko as a way to stay active
My God! How awful.

As a hater of Brook I would love it, but it would be an incredible waste of his prime.
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Horse wrote:
northern wrote:after the Bizier fight for Brook if not Khan maybe Vargas or Peterson or if not them he could fight a European ranked name like Avanesyan or Mikhaylenko as a way to stay active
My God! How awful.

As a hater of Brook I would love it, but it would be an incredible waste of his prime.
Admittedly I'd hate to see him fight either of the Russian boxers I mentioned right now, but after his defence and if he can't fight another world level welterweight their viable options but I would love to see a fight with Brook vs Garcia, both undefeated, it makes it interesting

That said whats happening with the WBA world titles now ? Is Thurman being promoted to super world champion now that Mayweather has retired and by default since Avanesyan is the interim world champion so does he become the WBA world champion or do both have to fight for the super world version of the belt and the world becomes vacant ?
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If Khan sits right someone else will leapfrog him in the queue. As it stands right now he is hardly some massively deserving opponent and next in line anyway is he? It's like if he says it enough then people will believe it. Problem is, it's only really him that believes it!

Imagine how he will feel if he waits and waits and then Briok himself gets the call first... :lol:

Just fight Brook Amir.
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lillywhite14 wrote:If Khan sits right someone else will leapfrog him in the queue. As it stands right now he is hardly some massively deserving opponent and next in line anyway is he? It's like if he says it enough then people will believe it. Problem is, it's only really him that believes it!

Imagine how he will feel if he waits and waits and then Briok himself gets the call first... :lol:

Just fight Brook Amir.
Brook deserves it far less than Khan.

Brook is an absolute disgrace to boxing. One of the worst.
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Horse wrote:
northern wrote:Brook has always been a welter weight, a division that's always had big names and had to fight his way up through the division to get where he is now.

Maidana was a good win I admit but Malignaggi had 1 loss and 1 win (in that order) going into his fight with Khan and salita who had 1 12 round fight before fighting Khan and no world level opponents at all before that.

porter was undefeated when Brook won the title, Ion had won his last 5, Gavin had won his last 3 and is a good name in the UK (we all wanted khan but he refused) and as for Bizier he lost to Ion on split decision twice and beat previously undefeated Fredrick Lawson to get his shot, if brook wins in the same fashion and it proves to be an easy night for him that's his belt defended for another year and he can fight who he likes again.
Who is currently a better ATG Khan or Brook?

Khan has done the things. Brook has beaten Porter.
This is where I see it.
There's no doubt Khans resume reads far better than Brooks.
And that's with Khan having pissed away the last couple years waiting on the one that got away.

It's a toss up who win if they fought, although I still lean towards Amir. But in terms of achievement Brook has a lot to prove before he can say anyhting about what Khan has done in the ring
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davie wrote:This is where I see it.
There's no doubt Khans resume reads far better than Brooks.
And that's with Khan having pissed away the last couple years waiting on the one that got away.

It's a toss up who win if they fought, although I still lean towards Amir. But in terms of achievement Brook has a lot to prove before he can say anyhting about what Khan has done in the ring
Khan has already had a career worthy of respect.

Khan can retire tomorrow and people can still reflect positively on his accomplishments.

Imagine if Brook retired tomorrow. What is there to talk about? Beating Porter is about it (possibly his great Lomax win as well).

Different leagues.
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handsofstone wrote:
Syntax Error wrote:
handsofstone wrote:Rumours are Khan fights the winner or Mayweather if he comes out of retirement

I suggest Amir sits tight,this could be the one
That's Amir problem: he spends his life sitting tight waiting for a big fight to materialise & they never do.

He just needs to get on with his career before his prime passes him by without him even knowing it.
I'd like to see him wait even longer,he's already pissed away his prime no doubt,these last couple of years wouldve been crucial in Khan cementing a legacy instead he's spent his time going to Dubai telling anyone who'll listen Floyd's scared of him and he's in with a great shout of facing him,instead Mayweather fought Maidana twice,Pacquiao and finally Berto and then Manny had him waiting too until he plumped for a Bradley rubber match

I always defended Khan but i lost patience after Floyd fought Maidana in a rematch,did Amir learn his lesson? Did he ballz,he waited 3 more times plus refused a world title fight against Brook,the guys bordering irrelevant now

I'd like to see Kell tell him to bolt
If he fights book, porter,thurman or mattyhse his career will end and he knows it...he"d rather talk his way into a fm or pac fight but thats failed.he knows his limitations and its about the money for him.utterly deluded spiv always talking in the third person...he has a floyd mayweather ego but a floyd havard body of work
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mugabi wrote:If he fights book, porter,thurman or mattyhse his career will end and he knows it...he"d rather talk his way into a fm or pac fight but thats failed.he knows his limitations and its about the money for him.utterly deluded spiv always talking in the third person...he has a floyd mayweather ego but a floyd havard body of work
Don't big Matthysse up after his last pathetic performance.

Based on that Khan will humble him.

Khan is a bad man.
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Horse wrote:
mugabi wrote:If he fights book, porter,thurman or mattyhse his career will end and he knows it...he"d rather talk his way into a fm or pac fight but thats failed.he knows his limitations and its about the money for him.utterly deluded spiv always talking in the third person...he has a floyd mayweather ego but a floyd havard body of work
Don't big Matthysse up after his last pathetic performance.

Based on that Khan will humble him.

Khan is a bad man.
:doh: :OhYes:
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Badhusker wrote: :doh: :OhYes:
Do you slap your head because it is ridiculous, or do you nod your head because Khan is awesome?

You don't get to choose both!

Choose Khan, he is better. :TU:
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Horse wrote:
Badhusker wrote: :doh: :OhYes:
Do you slap your head because it is ridiculous, or do you nod your head because Khan is awesome?

You don't get to choose both!

Choose Khan, he is better. :TU:
I'm not a fan of Khan or Brook, but do think Brook's one good win vs Porter trumps anything Khan has done in the last few years. You are only as good as your last fight, and Khan went life and death with Algieri, who is basically an amateur, and got his ass handed to him by Pacquiao.

Khan awesome? I am probably the biggest Khan hater on this board to say that. If I did, I would have to slap myself in the head.
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Horse wrote:
mugabi wrote:If he fights book, porter,thurman or mattyhse his career will end and he knows it...he"d rather talk his way into a fm or pac fight but thats failed.he knows his limitations and its about the money for him.utterly deluded spiv always talking in the third person...he has a floyd mayweather ego but a floyd havard body of work
Don't big Matthysse up after his last pathetic performance.

Based on that Khan will humble him.

Khan is a bad man.
Bad men fight, not just talk!

Lets see if he actually does any fighting in 2016.
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Khan could fight Spence, Vargas, Peterson, or Ali? Most of the top guys have fights scheduled. I would hope for Spence vs Khan as the first choice. Spence needs a step up fight, and Khan needs to fight someone good that can punch.
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Amir's heart doesn't seem to have been in it for a year or two now. He's been chasing big paydays and taking easyish fights in the meantime. It seems as though he's backed himself into a corner now and the only big payday left in his career is Brook.

I agree with earlier posters that Brook has only had one top class victory, maybe two (senchenko). His defences have been laughable. He should be trying to make fights with guys like Thurman or Bradley or Garcia. He's big at the weight and might not have too much longer to make hay at welterweight.
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Syntax Error wrote:
Horse wrote:
mugabi wrote:If he fights book, porter,thurman or mattyhse his career will end and he knows it...he"d rather talk his way into a fm or pac fight but thats failed.he knows his limitations and its about the money for him.utterly deluded spiv always talking in the third person...he has a floyd mayweather ego but a floyd havard body of work
Don't big Matthysse up after his last pathetic performance.

Based on that Khan will humble him.

Khan is a bad man.
Bad men fight, not just talk!

Lets see if he actually does any fighting in 2016.
well said :TU:

Khan only fought once in 2015, a decision win over Algieri.

His best options in 2016, he's currently ranked #1 by the WBC (somehow) and Garcia is #2, a rematch for the WBC title sounds good, or fight Brook in the UK to a sold out arena crowd for the IBF title and risk getting humbled in front of your own supporters
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